I strongly suspect "it breaks mtgo" was the issue there.
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Magic: the Gathering - Battle for Zendikar |OT| Lands matter (but nothing else does)
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Magic the Blogening
If card types didn't have independent subtypes, you get weird interactions like Trapmaker's Snare being able to search up changeling cards.
The issue isn't that, it's the whole Supertypes not being able to have Subtypes thing.
The independent lists are indeed a necessity.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Creature
divisionbyzorro
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Give it Flash. :lol
shrapnelmagnet
Member
Play Creature only after you're attacked, before you declare interceptors.
acheron_xl
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Creature
Glad it's a mythic. Don't want that thing destroying limited.
My friend is into magic, and i want to join in on the fun, without starting a collection.
I played that origins game a bit and he gave me a few common decks to mess with and learn the mechanics.
Im thinking of just going to the draft things once i have a handle on the mechnaics and cards and just selling anything good i get.
The thing is. Im from hearthstone, where all cards are pooled together. I really dont understand how the magic cards are put together. Some sort of blocks of 3 big releases then start fresh again or something?
Do you guys think its worth me playing origins, or do i just bug him to go to his place and play with new cards since thats what i would play at a draft/ prerelease?
I played that origins game a bit and he gave me a few common decks to mess with and learn the mechanics.
Im thinking of just going to the draft things once i have a handle on the mechnaics and cards and just selling anything good i get.
The thing is. Im from hearthstone, where all cards are pooled together. I really dont understand how the magic cards are put together. Some sort of blocks of 3 big releases then start fresh again or something?
Do you guys think its worth me playing origins, or do i just bug him to go to his place and play with new cards since thats what i would play at a draft/ prerelease?
SigmasonicX
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By Origins, do you mean the PC/iOS/Xbone app? If you're starting out, I recommend playing Magic Duels: Origins to get the hang of the rules.
The way sets work is that three (now two) sets take place in the same world before they move on to a new one. There are multiple formats where different cards are legal. Minus banned lists, Legacy is all cards, Modern is all cards past a certain point, and Standard is a rotating format. Currently, every three months, a set is added to Standard, and every six months, two sets are dropped from Standard.
I wouldn't recommend trying to attend a draft until you are more comfortable with the game, especially since Battle for Zendikar is expected to be a kind of weird draft.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
He doesn't want to play Constructed.
The actual answer is probably "attend a prerelease" but that's kind of over until January
Etrian Oddity
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To start, I'd recommend sticking to Magic Duels until you guys get comfortable with the game. Once you have a good grasp on the gameplay and turn structure, then consider doing draft or sealed events in paper.
As far as magic is concerned, you can 'pool all the cards together' and play that way. It's how the vast majority of casual players will do it. Magic sets are released in "blocks"; multiple sets that are thematically tied together to form a bigger whole.
For example, the last block included Khans of Tarkir, Fate Reforged and Dragons of Tarkir. All three sets in the block shared mechanics so that they played well together. They also told a story. In this case, it was a time travel story. Khans of Tarkir, the first set, had present Tarkir as a world were dragons were extinct. Then in Fate Reforged, the protagonist traveled into the past and prevent the event that had led to the dragons going extinct. Finally, Dragons of Tarkir took place in the present again, but with the altered timeline where dragons were still around.
Again, if you're playing casually, you can ignore the whole block structure and just use whatever cards you like. It's only when you're playing certain formats (like Standard and Block Constructed) that you need to worry about blocks.
I attended last weekends prerelease at a nearby store with a couple friends. Didn't pull anything exciting at all, but was still a good experience. I absolutely struggled when constructing a deck on the fly (and performed poorly) as I had no idea what worked well together and the clunky mechanics seemed like you needed perfect card order to pull them off (aka the Zendikar Intro decks).
It was a great weekend though, especially because I did it with a couple of close friends from back home who I used to play MTG with years ago. None of us have played MTG properly in years either so we were all in the same boat. Probably the best bit of MTG fun was after the prerelease when we messed around with what cards we had and played each other at home.
Now I'm trying to see if I can put together a BFZ-based deck for Standard, but I've realised that none of the cards or mechanics particularly wow me. One of my friends pulled Omnoth and started building a mean Landfall deck, and the other had a mish-mash deck. I'm trying to build an Ally-based deck, but the sample standard decks on Tappedout don't seem that exciting. I considered an Eldrazi deck, but again I'm perplexed about the best color combos and what works best.
Anyway, good luck to any other beginners getting into this new set! It's....odd
It was a great weekend though, especially because I did it with a couple of close friends from back home who I used to play MTG with years ago. None of us have played MTG properly in years either so we were all in the same boat. Probably the best bit of MTG fun was after the prerelease when we messed around with what cards we had and played each other at home.
Now I'm trying to see if I can put together a BFZ-based deck for Standard, but I've realised that none of the cards or mechanics particularly wow me. One of my friends pulled Omnoth and started building a mean Landfall deck, and the other had a mish-mash deck. I'm trying to build an Ally-based deck, but the sample standard decks on Tappedout don't seem that exciting. I considered an Eldrazi deck, but again I'm perplexed about the best color combos and what works best.
Anyway, good luck to any other beginners getting into this new set! It's....odd
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with Sealed is that you usually need enablers + a payoff for basically any theme and you sometimes just don't get the cards.
In Draft, if you correctly deduce your opponent is doing UB Ingest, you can go WR Allies and get a lot of the good allies passed to you. (Example) It works like this in every set.
In Draft, if you correctly deduce your opponent is doing UB Ingest, you can go WR Allies and get a lot of the good allies passed to you. (Example) It works like this in every set.
It depends how strongly the themes are pigeonholed.
In Innistrad, the 5 ally color decks each had a fast and a "slow" variant baked into them. Enemy color strategies were deliberately left to Uncommon and while supported at common, weren't meant to be a primary choice for players.
Essentially, the ally decks had "soft" synergies- the enemy ones "hard". With soft synergies more dominant, it leads to a better sealed experience.
Contrast this to MM/BFZ draft- it's all hard synergies across the board, making sealed very obnoxious.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I guess LSV just doesn't do those set reviews anymore? Last time he did one he spiked Jace to 35 bucks.
"God's Beard!"
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Yeah, my sealed deck with a ton of rally triggers was hard for almost all my opponents to even get off the ground against, despite me mulliganing 7 times in 6 rounds. The only one that could stop me(and the only match that went over 20 minutes) was the guy who got first with a fantastic control build containing an unreasonable number of spot removal and a sweeper backed by ugin's insight and top quality fliers.
I guess LSV just doesn't do those set reviews anymore? Last time he did one he spiked Jace to 35 bucks.
"Jace is about as good as Tibalt. He's only better because he doesn't actively fuck you the way Tibalt does." - Angry Grimace
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";180289864]Yeah, my sealed deck with a ton of rally triggers was hard for almost all my opponents to even get off the ground against, despite me mulliganing 7 times in 6 rounds. The only one that could stop me(and the only match that went over 20 minutes) was the guy who got first with a fantastic control build containing an unreasonable number of spot removal and a sweeper backed by ugin's insight and top quality fliers.
"Jace is about as good as Tibalt. He's only better because he doesn't actively fuck you the way Tibalt does." - Angry Grimace[/QUOTE]
"I paid 30 dollars for italian slop" - God's Beard
"Jace is about as good as Tibalt. He's only better because he doesn't actively fuck you the way Tibalt does." - Angry Grimace[/QUOTE]
"I paid 30 dollars for italian slop" - God's Beard
shrapnelmagnet
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At common, lol
EDIT: Uncommon. I always have trouble reading the Coldsnap Common vs. Uncommon symbol. It's actually kind of an interesting card- I'd seen it before but text boxes like that sometimes turn me away before I give them a chance.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Man that slop tasted good. It took me until a week before Origins released to realize how good Jace was, though. Transhuman called it way ahead of everyone.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Jace still sucks. I o-only have a playset because I'm a completionist, okay? D-d-don't get the wrong idea.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I have a weird affection for Coldsnap. Its so dumb I can't help but like it
acheron_xl
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MaRo took our complaints about blue control to heart
Playable in triple Prophecy draft to fuel those rhystic spells. Don't want to take mana burn.
blindrocket
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I miss Zac Hill. He designed some really cool cards and I just loved his enthusiasm as well.
He admits that Snapcaster Mage was a mistake. I'm sure that everyone remembers his Snap + Mana Leak article.
I actually came to despise Think Twice because of the "I hold up 2 mana. If you pass, I draw. If you play a spell, i can counter" gameplay in that Standard era.
Joe Molotov
Member
MaRo took our complaints about blue control to heart
Converge - You may pay (X) where (X) is the number of colors of mana spent to cast Arnoftuee.
what do you like?
Games of magic that don't rely on abusing the fact that the end step is extraordinarily powerful?
To use a poker analogy- it's the button, and it's part of why blue has normally been godlike.
SigmasonicX
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It really is such a shame that "switching blockers" is so complicated to implement.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Try making a Short Keyword for Blample.
If you're keywording it I think this would work? Based on the new trample reminder text (see Rhox Maulers).
Retribution (This creature can deal excess combat damage to the controller of a creature that it blocked this turn.)
curving out: not enough skill
end of turn plays: too much skill!
i'm actually arguing that think twice is a fair card.
The curveout argument is a variance thing where you don't want to become VS system. Nothing to do with skill, just avoiding making that a dominant strategy.
EoT are "skill" in the same way that damage on the stack was "skill" - i.e., it's not, it's just something you can leverage and is nearly always correct to do so when possible.
If playing something EoT sent someone back into their main phase, there'd be a lot more tension there. Alas, there's not really a way to do that.
The problem with a Counter/Think Twice deck is that it never has to make decisions during its turn for the most part. It just sits on its ass and plays in the opponent's end step. I've played decks like this when they're good. It's just that they make the opponent's life miserable when they're good. Instant Card Draw is something they toned back years ago, then decided to push again for the past 5 years (INN till now) and now appear to have realized "oh yeah, no, we had it right the first time"
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The most generic list yet. 3 cards total from Battle for Zendikar in the main!
Deck: Jeskai Dragons
//Creatures
2 Soulfire Grand Master
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Mantis Rider
2 Monastery Mentor
4 Thunderbreak Regent
3 Dragonlord Ojutai
//Spells
4 Wild Slash
4 Draconic Roar
1 Stasis Snare
2 Valorous Stance
1 Jeskai Charm
3 Ojutai's Command
2 Dig Through Time
//Land
4 Mystic Monastery
2 Windswept Heath
2 Shivan Reef
4 Flooded Strand
2 Battlefield Forge
2 Prairie Stream
1 Cinder Glade
3 Island
3 Mountain
2 Plains
//Sideboard
3 Hangarback Walker
3 Disdainful Stroke
2 Surge of Righteousness
2 Dispel
3 Radiant Flames
2 Negate
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Deck: Jeskai Dragons
//Creatures
2 Soulfire Grand Master
3 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy
4 Mantis Rider
2 Monastery Mentor
4 Thunderbreak Regent
3 Dragonlord Ojutai
//Spells
4 Wild Slash
4 Draconic Roar
1 Stasis Snare
2 Valorous Stance
1 Jeskai Charm
3 Ojutai's Command
2 Dig Through Time
//Land
4 Mystic Monastery
2 Windswept Heath
2 Shivan Reef
4 Flooded Strand
2 Battlefield Forge
2 Prairie Stream
1 Cinder Glade
3 Island
3 Mountain
2 Plains
//Sideboard
3 Hangarback Walker
3 Disdainful Stroke
2 Surge of Righteousness
2 Dispel
3 Radiant Flames
2 Negate
Display deck statisticsblindrocket
Member
Part of me wants to make a standard BWR token deck for fun. And a copy of Descent of the Dragons.
Infinite Stars
Member
The worst part is that White's best cheap token Generator is rotating despite it being not overpowered in any way. Plus, it would have totally been in flavor for Origins.
Otherwise, I'm in the same boat. I've been thinking just going BR, but White has some really good token cards
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Another generic decklist. In some ways I really want to put Abbot of Keral Keep in one of these decks but it keeps seeming kind of win-more outside of a mono-red thing.
Deck: Generic Mardu
//Creatures
4 Hangarback Walker
3 Soulfire Grand Master
3 Drana, Liberator of Malakir
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
//Planeswalkers
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
//Spells
2 Mardu Charm
2 Ruinous Path
3 Draconic Roar
2 Wild Slash
4 Crackling Doom
2 Secure the Wastes
//Land
3 Shambling Vent
4 Nomad Outpost
1 Battlefield Forge
2 Caves of Koilos
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Canopy Vista
2 Swamp
3 Mountain
2 Plains
//Sideboard
2 Ultimate Price
1 Arc Lightning
2 Outpost Siege
4 Duress
1 Ruinous Path
3 Arashin Cleric
2 Kolaghan's Command
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Deck: Generic Mardu
//Creatures
4 Hangarback Walker
3 Soulfire Grand Master
3 Drana, Liberator of Malakir
4 Thunderbreak Regent
2 Kolaghan, the Storm's Fury
//Planeswalkers
2 Sorin, Solemn Visitor
2 Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker
1 Ob Nixilis Reignited
//Spells
2 Mardu Charm
2 Ruinous Path
3 Draconic Roar
2 Wild Slash
4 Crackling Doom
2 Secure the Wastes
//Land
3 Shambling Vent
4 Nomad Outpost
1 Battlefield Forge
2 Caves of Koilos
4 Bloodstained Mire
2 Wooded Foothills
1 Canopy Vista
2 Swamp
3 Mountain
2 Plains
//Sideboard
2 Ultimate Price
1 Arc Lightning
2 Outpost Siege
4 Duress
1 Ruinous Path
3 Arashin Cleric
2 Kolaghan's Command
Display deck statisticsAngry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Less generic, significantly less good. I'm sure I was going somewhere with it other than "ramp into big dudes."
Deck: All-in Temur Ramp
//Creatures
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Savage Knuckleblade
4 Shaman of Forgotten Ways
4 Thunderbreak Regent
3 Icefall Regent
3 Dragonlord Atarka
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
//Planeswalker
3 Kiora, Master of the Depths
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
//Spells
1 Temur Charm
3 Stubborn Denial
3 Draconic Roar
1 Roast
//Lands
4 Frontier Bivouac
2 Lumbering Falls
1 Yavimaya Coast
2 Shivan Reef
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Cinder Glade
1 Sunken Hollow
1 Island
3 Mountain
2 Forest
//Sideboard
3 Disdainful Stroke
1 Stubborn Denial
2 Roast
3 Radiant Flames
1 Dig Through Time
2 Crater's Claws
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Whisperwood Elemental
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Deck: All-in Temur Ramp
//Creatures
4 Rattleclaw Mystic
4 Savage Knuckleblade
4 Shaman of Forgotten Ways
4 Thunderbreak Regent
3 Icefall Regent
3 Dragonlord Atarka
2 Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger
//Planeswalker
3 Kiora, Master of the Depths
1 Nissa, Vastwood Seer
//Spells
1 Temur Charm
3 Stubborn Denial
3 Draconic Roar
1 Roast
//Lands
4 Frontier Bivouac
2 Lumbering Falls
1 Yavimaya Coast
2 Shivan Reef
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Cinder Glade
1 Sunken Hollow
1 Island
3 Mountain
2 Forest
//Sideboard
3 Disdainful Stroke
1 Stubborn Denial
2 Roast
3 Radiant Flames
1 Dig Through Time
2 Crater's Claws
1 Woodland Bellower
2 Whisperwood Elemental
Display deck statisticsEtrian Oddity
Member
A Temur deck without Wild Slash or Crater's Claws is not a Temur deck.
Also, I never understood why this was a thing:
They should have printed some BOMB cyclops in Theros, then dropped that card in the next set or so.
Also, I never understood why this was a thing:
They should have printed some BOMB cyclops in Theros, then dropped that card in the next set or so.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Just a flavour card?
Flavor in a set that had no good Cyclops'. It was such a waste.
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