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Magic: the Gathering - Oath o/t Gatewatch |OT| Look again, the mana is now diamonds!
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What. How can you even tell from that pic?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I used a jewler's loupe on the screen after enhancing the GUI in Photoshop and running it though a Java basic script that detects missplace pixels. Pretty advanced stuff.
Might be a false alarm, the card is de-slicking as its handled, to where its feeling like the other 3.
So I have no idea (could just be a "low on ink" thing), which puts it into the "I don't care" category, since the odds of it coming up are really small.
WanderingWind apparently just wants to troll me.
So I have no idea (could just be a "low on ink" thing), which puts it into the "I don't care" category, since the odds of it coming up are really small.
WanderingWind apparently just wants to troll me.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Kirblar pls. A joke isn't me trolling you. Chill.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Imma go commander and then Draft, 9 to 10 hours of magic.
Don't let the next guy open that Wasteland.
Im in for a draft, but im certain the pod size will be fucked, so my exciement is low. I just need to get out of the house and im to cheap to spend the extra 5 for parking at the good card shop.
is black red even good in this format. I dont think ive seen a single person play it.
I think it's fine but probably a notch below the Bx Eldrazi and W/B Ally decks.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It can get a lot of free wins especially when the opponent stumbles on mana just a bit.
Creatures + Removal is good in any format bit vintage.
divisionbyzorro
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's because nobody got the joke not because they don't understand the concept of humor lmao
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I didn't say it was funny. 😔
See my previous post on my draft. It's solid. You have some of the best removals and cheap creatures available. I do think you have to be in an aggro shell to make it work tho.
Magic Pancake
Member
You tried the light test kirblar?
SigmasonicX
Member
Second Oath of the Gatewatch survey.
And from the Mothership's February 18 update, this video brought up an interesting point about a clash pack / event deck replacement. He suggests that what makes the Commander decks effective is that while they aren't perfect, they still give you a reasonable chance of being competitive in a Commander game right out of the box, and the replacement should be something similar for Standard. The event decks seem to be approaching this idea, but they were too dumbed down most of the time.
I think something they could do that hopefully wouldn't cannibalize card sales too much is to take a major Standard deck and adjust it to work post-rotation, but without including any cards from the new large set, and the big money cards are mostly from the block that will rotate out next. For example, a deck with a bunch of Jaces and Collected Companies, but no fetchlands, and mostly just support cards from BFZ block.
For example, after searching for a deck that uses Collected Company and Jace, this seems like a good base. Maybe you could just strip out the fetchlands, the Warden of the First Tree, and change up the sideboard and call it a day. Of course, a deck like that would be value town, but if the goal is to make a product that a player could really use to jump into Friday Night Magic, then you can't cheap out too much. I feel like making the money cards mostly from the block that will rotate out next will be sufficient to prevent this from having a big negative influence.
EDIT: Important information: Mark Gottlieb is MaGo.
And from the Mothership's February 18 update, this video brought up an interesting point about a clash pack / event deck replacement. He suggests that what makes the Commander decks effective is that while they aren't perfect, they still give you a reasonable chance of being competitive in a Commander game right out of the box, and the replacement should be something similar for Standard. The event decks seem to be approaching this idea, but they were too dumbed down most of the time.
I think something they could do that hopefully wouldn't cannibalize card sales too much is to take a major Standard deck and adjust it to work post-rotation, but without including any cards from the new large set, and the big money cards are mostly from the block that will rotate out next. For example, a deck with a bunch of Jaces and Collected Companies, but no fetchlands, and mostly just support cards from BFZ block.
For example, after searching for a deck that uses Collected Company and Jace, this seems like a good base. Maybe you could just strip out the fetchlands, the Warden of the First Tree, and change up the sideboard and call it a day. Of course, a deck like that would be value town, but if the goal is to make a product that a player could really use to jump into Friday Night Magic, then you can't cheap out too much. I feel like making the money cards mostly from the block that will rotate out next will be sufficient to prevent this from having a big negative influence.
EDIT: Important information: Mark Gottlieb is MaGo.
They generally didn't sell well. I don't think they ever, historically, sold well. We stopped even bothering to bring them in eventually.
The problem with his proposed solution; making it a deck that's competitive in standard at the time of release, is that the decks are designed in printed way ahead of time to make sure they're ready to go out with the opening orders. It'd require Wizards to predict what the meta is going to look like ahead of time, which would generally mean that the format would need to be a lot more solvable, which isn't a good thing.
I think the biggest issue with the pre-con decks is that they're afraid of multiples. Generally speaking, they never put more than one copy of any single rare into the decks and often would only have 2 copies of the uncommons. Consistency is the major difference between constructed and limited and not including multiple copies of key cards in the decks made them wildly inconsistent.
The Modern Event Deck actually was pretty well designed and fairly playable without many tweaks out of the box.
The problem with his proposed solution; making it a deck that's competitive in standard at the time of release, is that the decks are designed in printed way ahead of time to make sure they're ready to go out with the opening orders. It'd require Wizards to predict what the meta is going to look like ahead of time, which would generally mean that the format would need to be a lot more solvable, which isn't a good thing.
I think the biggest issue with the pre-con decks is that they're afraid of multiples. Generally speaking, they never put more than one copy of any single rare into the decks and often would only have 2 copies of the uncommons. Consistency is the major difference between constructed and limited and not including multiple copies of key cards in the decks made them wildly inconsistent.
The Modern Event Deck actually was pretty well designed and fairly playable without many tweaks out of the box.
SigmasonicX
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I think a big part of that is that people just didn't know what to do with them. With clash packs, the use case appears to be for the customer to be a new player and buy it to play with another friend who is also a new player, but also you can combine the decks to get one weak Standard deck. Event decks were stronger than intro packs but still too weak to actually be useful in a Standard tournament.
I believe a product that would be useful is something that loudly tells a starting player, or a player returning for this Standard, to buy it if you want to be competitive in Friday Night Magic right away. The packaging should outright say that.
EDIT: Maybe basing the deck off of what's doing well in Standard is unreasonable, but I think basically making the deck a Block Constructed deck for the block that will rotate out next, with some embellishments from the following block, would prevent the production time from being too much of an issue. While it wouldn't be the best deck, I feel like it would be reasonably competitive. It's not like a ramp deck that still used Dragonlord Atarka instead of Eldrazi would be terrible.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
...can't put event decks where? They sell the Event Deck at Target...
WOTC needs to do a better job predicting the meta to begin with. Whatever it is they are doing, they just keep letting format warping shit through without testing it.
As for Event Decks, they will never be good and the solution isn't to make them better because you can't without just printing a bunch of rares and throwing them in, but that isn't a thing WOTC could or should do because the inability to just buy cheap singles straight from the manufacturer is part of the scheme by which WOTC makes all of its money.
I've only seen Event decks at Target, Barnes and Nobel and Walmart, only one I've seen at a LGS was the modern one
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nope, they've been selling them at Target and Walmart for a while now.
The answer is probably just discontinuing them. They don't sell to the target audience - they're either bad or entrenched players buy them for value and throw everything else away.
The whole point of the decks was to be ready-made things for FNM, of course they wouldn't sell at big box stores.
I think that's the big issue- they now have themed Duel Decks for the upcoming plane twice a year.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I liked the ones with Planeswalkers in them though, although they always gave them the most atrocious fucking art.
I suspect those are gone now.
If they weren't mostly ass that would have been a good product. But they were usually not very good. Hard to make a product like that with a constantly shifting meta.
The Technomancer
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Was anyone looking for some Alpha tier hosers?
keeblerdrow
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Whisperwood Elemental for FNM tonight? Y/N
I thought the most recent Event deck they had was perhaps one of the most competitive ones they've ever made. So they were clearly improving but I guess they were selling poorly for too long at that point. I'll be honest though that whenever I bought Clash/Event/Duel Decks, its always to rip them apart for value or singles.
SigmasonicX
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MaRo's Drive to Work about Chris Rush, gets really sad at the end.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
3-0'd my draft today actually didn't drop a single game in 3 rounds. BW what a surprise.
First picked an Essence Depleter over a Cliffhaven Vampire then got a 2nd Essence Depleter pack 2 7th (!) pick. Also had an Ondu War Cleric, a Zulaport Chainmage, a Vampire Envoy, a Drana's Emissary and an Oath of Gideon for the ally side. Felidar Cub for the sideboard.
BFZ pack was pretty bad but except the Drana's Emissary and Hedron Archive, had a Captain's Claw but not a single rally ally.
Won at least 2 games not attacking once.
First picked an Essence Depleter over a Cliffhaven Vampire then got a 2nd Essence Depleter pack 2 7th (!) pick. Also had an Ondu War Cleric, a Zulaport Chainmage, a Vampire Envoy, a Drana's Emissary and an Oath of Gideon for the ally side. Felidar Cub for the sideboard.
BFZ pack was pretty bad but except the Drana's Emissary and Hedron Archive, had a Captain's Claw but not a single rally ally.
Won at least 2 games not attacking once.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Green is a lot better than it was in BFZx3, but you still need to get a couple of good uncommons or rares (e.g. Birthing Hulk) to make it worth going into.
I've been known to draft a lot of Tajuru Pathwardens lol
The best drafts I've had in the format involved Scion Summoners, Eldrazi Skyspawners and Saddleback Lagacs.
I've been known to draft a lot of Tajuru Pathwardens lol
The best drafts I've had in the format involved Scion Summoners, Eldrazi Skyspawners and Saddleback Lagacs.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Tried moving into green in both my last two drafts but got pretty much nothing.
Prizepacks contained Kozilek, World Breaker, GDD and a Reality Smasher leaving aside the junk.
Prizepacks contained Kozilek, World Breaker, GDD and a Reality Smasher leaving aside the junk.
First place another draft,
Red white, like 3 zada, 2 weapon trainer, 3 support 2, the support 3 person, bonesaw, ogre, good removal blah blah blah
probably my last game of magic til the new set,
Bfz was a cool introduction, oath and bfz was pretty cool, and i think the next set will probably blow me away and a mechanic like madness is right up my alley
Have fun yall off to play some reno mage on hearthstone, maybe my favorite deck ive played in a card game yet
Red white, like 3 zada, 2 weapon trainer, 3 support 2, the support 3 person, bonesaw, ogre, good removal blah blah blah
probably my last game of magic til the new set,
Bfz was a cool introduction, oath and bfz was pretty cool, and i think the next set will probably blow me away and a mechanic like madness is right up my alley
Have fun yall off to play some reno mage on hearthstone, maybe my favorite deck ive played in a card game yet
Joe Molotov
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lawl, I drafted Mono-Red and everyone was just passing straight fucking gas. I almost could have built two decks, I only took 4 off-color cards. I kinda felt bad because clearly I was not drafting in a skilled pool, but on the other hand...I didn't feel that bad.
I was going to take a picture of my draft, but I forgot and already threw away my commons and crap, From memory though, my pulls were:
1x Reckless Bushwhacker
1x Zada's Commando
1x Embodiment of Fury
2x Devour in Flames
2x Boulder Salvo
1x Reality Hemorrhage
1x Tyrant of Valakut
2x Goblin Freerunner
1x Cinder Hellion
2x Brute Strength
2x Akoum Flamespeaker
2x Maw of Kozilek
1x Kozilek's Return
1x Immobilizer Eldrazi
1x Belligerant Whiptail
1x Boiling Earth
2x Lavastep Raider
2x Outnumber
1x Reckless Cohort
1x Rolling Thunder
2x Stonefury
1x Touch of the Void
1x Valakut Predator
1x Vestiage of Emrakul
And then several Wastes, a Looming Spires, a Bane of Bala Ged, and a few random blue cards and a Greenwarden that I rare drafted for some reason because I dunno. Mainly, I was just happy to pick up another Kozilek's Return.
I was going to take a picture of my draft, but I forgot and already threw away my commons and crap, From memory though, my pulls were:
1x Reckless Bushwhacker
1x Zada's Commando
1x Embodiment of Fury
2x Devour in Flames
2x Boulder Salvo
1x Reality Hemorrhage
1x Tyrant of Valakut
2x Goblin Freerunner
1x Cinder Hellion
2x Brute Strength
2x Akoum Flamespeaker
2x Maw of Kozilek
1x Kozilek's Return
1x Immobilizer Eldrazi
1x Belligerant Whiptail
1x Boiling Earth
2x Lavastep Raider
2x Outnumber
1x Reckless Cohort
1x Rolling Thunder
2x Stonefury
1x Touch of the Void
1x Valakut Predator
1x Vestiage of Emrakul
And then several Wastes, a Looming Spires, a Bane of Bala Ged, and a few random blue cards and a Greenwarden that I rare drafted for some reason because I dunno. Mainly, I was just happy to pick up another Kozilek's Return.
charlequin
Banned
Apparently nobody knows what Lee PressOns are!
blindrocket
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Looking for
x3 Chalice of the Void
x3 Dark Confidant (RAV)
x1 Green Sun's Zenith
x1 Gaddock Teeg
x4 Knight of the Reliquary
x1 Dark Depths
x1 Thespian's Stage
x3 Chalice of the Void
x3 Dark Confidant (RAV)
x1 Green Sun's Zenith
x1 Gaddock Teeg
x4 Knight of the Reliquary
x1 Dark Depths
x1 Thespian's Stage
I have some of this. What are ya sellin?
Joe Molotov
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I got it!
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