Uh, one's a flip card, one's not?
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I mean the Walker side. I know Sage Animist is the flip side, but I'm wondering if Sage Animist(by itself) was switched for VoZ in design somewhere.
I mean, look at Voice of Zendikar. The abilities on it (minus the plant token) are very clearly designed for a heavy board presence. She wants you to have a bunch of lands/creatures out(see -2 and Ult) Nissa needs 7 lands to flip.
Sage Animist works with Landfall, makes an Ashaya Token, and turns the land into creatures. That just seems more in line with BFZ to me
No reason there can't be burnwillows on Zendikar. They'd fit the setting pretty well.
Joe Molotov
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It's super irritating and makes me not want to be associated lol
Would not surprise me
I doubt it. Given the time frame of development, it seems unlikely. They put cards in the core set for the upcoming block all the time. The flip walkers are supposed to represent the core of the character; Chandra is all about damage, Nissa is all about lands, Jace is all about value, etc.
OGW also takes the focus off of landfall (there's only 2 landfall cards in the set) and puts it more squarely on colorless-costs on the Eldrazi side and going wide on the Zendikari side. Nissa, Voice plays into that.
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Collected Company+Eternal Witness+Flickerwisp is legitimately hilarious to play with. Someone on Cockatrice was getting super salty over it occuring at the end step.
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In the beginning of the day, there was a lot of Eldrazi being beaten. The rounds I watched had Eldrazi(U/W on Stream at least) beating a lot of decks.
charlequin
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I mean... sure there is, the reason is that they already designed the world and there aren't any. Flavor stretches but it's also one of the big selling points of the game so it doesn't stretch infinitely. Nobody's gonna cash in their cred points to get a (relatively) unimportant, blatantly flavor-inappropriate card shoved through in a reprint set like the Expeditions.
That's why they put Sage Animist out beforehand, so it could play right away with the landfall and awaken cards in BFZ.
I really don't get the 'burnwillows' thing. I enjoy Mgaic lore, I read the stories and like to see events in the cards - and I have absolutely no idea where a Burnwillow comes from or why I should be bothered if there were some on Zendikar.
I can understand if suddenly we're putting Elves on Innistrad, or Cephalids on Mirrodin, but this seems like something 99.9% of players wouldn't even notice and if it's good for the game to have them in the set that should absolutely override the tiny fraction of people who would be upset over the fact Zendikar doesn't have Burn willows (heck out of all the planes Zendikar looks the most likely to have some random trees on fire).
Whatever a Burnwillow is.
I can understand if suddenly we're putting Elves on Innistrad, or Cephalids on Mirrodin, but this seems like something 99.9% of players wouldn't even notice and if it's good for the game to have them in the set that should absolutely override the tiny fraction of people who would be upset over the fact Zendikar doesn't have Burn willows (heck out of all the planes Zendikar looks the most likely to have some random trees on fire).
Whatever a Burnwillow is.
Trade question, folks.
Which would you rather pick?
Pile A: 4 Cavern of Souls, 1 MM2015 Spellskite Pile B: 1 SP Revised Volcanic Island
I'm kinda tempted to grab the volcanic for my edh and since I am pretty sure cavern will be eventually reprinted, I can definitely wait till that happens.
Which would you rather pick?
Pile A: 4 Cavern of Souls, 1 MM2015 Spellskite Pile B: 1 SP Revised Volcanic Island
I'm kinda tempted to grab the volcanic for my edh and since I am pretty sure cavern will be eventually reprinted, I can definitely wait till that happens.
WanderingWind
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Volcanic. The others will be reprinted and will drop in price. On a long enough timeline. Volcanic will one day cost enough so you could trade it for a new kidney.
Not going to lie, it took until I read the rest of the posts in this thread to see what the "issue" here was. I was focused on the battlefield. I agree with most others though that this is a pretty big non-issue. Unless the camera was going creep mode (which if it was the case I assume I would have heard about it on twitter) this doesn't even seem like something worth discussing much. Was there an actual "meltdown" or are people in this thread talking about it more than anyone else online did?
U/W Eldrazi seems to be the big player on that tournament.
Edit: Adarkar Wastes sold out on SCG and others lol
divisionbyzorro
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You should basically own all of the painlands at this point.
Volcanic, and it's not even close. Whoever's trading the volc is getting ripped for around $100.
U/W Eldrazi completely destroys in the mirror; getting your Endless Ones killed by Displacer is obnoxious. Really soft to Bridge, though.
WanderingWind
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Price of scion tokens now 23 dollars a piece.
WanderingWind
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Another supposed leak. Grain of salt.
- B&R Announcement: Eldrazi Temple is banned. (Eye will NOT be banned)
- Eternal Masters reprints of note: Crucible of Worlds, Imperial Recruiter, Rishadan Port
"God's Beard!"
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No notice whether Rishadan Port is an uncommon, I see.
Nice, Recruiter would be amazing.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Ruh Roh, I just sold ours. Don't wanna buy one back.
GregLombardi
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Does Eye of Ugin even have latent value when it isn't broken via Temple?
Edit: That is, is Eldrazi even still playable without temple?
Edit: That is, is Eldrazi even still playable without temple?
WanderingWind
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Of course. Both are fast mana for Eldrazi. In fact, with Urborg, Eye generates 3 mana for the deck. Temple doesn't allow for T1 degeneracy like Eye. Temple doesn't allow the deck to shift into control via repeatable tutoring. Temple taps for 2 mana. Eye gets exponentially better as the game goes on because it's generating 2 mana for every card you want to play and not just the once.
Yeah, I really doubt they have decided already on what to ban.
What makes the Eldrazi deck broken age the T1 Eye into multiple Endless Ones/Eldrazi Mimics. Temple just functions as a Mox and jumps you ahead one turn, where Eye can easily generate 8-10 mana in 2 turns
I don't think they've decided what to ban, but with the recent tournament standings it's almost guarenteed they will do something about Eldrazi.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm sure they *have* already decided what to ban. They're just not going to do it until SOI's B&R.
I think this triple Modern GP weekend that's coming up will influence the list, as will MTGO data
charlequin
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If you're in the business of selling fantasy worldbuilding to people, and you're the best in the industry at it, you actually make a bunch of money from customers who care about it. That means you need to have a solid staff that are happy about their job so you keep being the best. When you hire creative people to do something and then keep randomly overruling them on shit relevant to their job for unrelated reasons, they get pissed off, and when creative people are pissed off they do shittier work.
Like, it doesn't actually matter if they just decide there are burnwillows on Zendikar, but it matters (to the tune of real money) if the company just constantly meddles with what the team does over minor shit. (Same thing happens with the game design teams at a lot of companies to their detriment, and same thing happens now in the WotC digital team which is why people like Jon Loucks left.) It's just not a habit you get into if you know what you're doing managing a product like this.
I want to note too that there's actually like zero value to the company to printing Grove as an expedition since that reprinting has zero downward effect on card prices and the set of lands they did print was perfectly effective at the goal of the promotion so it actually wouln't have been "good for the game" in any way?
Was there an actual "meltdown" or are people in this thread talking about it more than anyone else online did?
One prominent woman who plays Magic tweeted a single time about it so it's very important now everyone freak out about how unreasonable the response has been.
The announcement is six weeks away, it's pretty unlikely the announcement is even finalized. The reddit poster already threw a fit and bounced.
Based on what they've described about the process in the past, they usually decide on a preliminary list pretty early on, but don't set it in stone until maybe a week before the announcement. In the big affinity banning they added more and more cards to their initial list as the weeks went on.
If you do an online RPTQ, you get the promo on MTGO; not a physical card.
[EDIT] Source: http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/...ouncement-pro-tour-battle-zendikar-2015-10-18
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The online promo is worth basically nothing so don't do it on MTGO unless you have to drive 7 hours to get it (in which case it is assuredly not worth it unless you don't value your time)
Ya it's real shitty. The one I went to in October was less than 2 hours away and I had 2 qualified friends to travel with. I'm the first I know to qualify for this one and they decided to not run any remotely close to Western PA despite the Ohio/Maryland/PA area having some of the biggest turnouts for tournaments.
http://www.starcitygames.com/events/coverage/3704_day_2_metagame_breakdown_.html
31/65 decks day 2 are Eldrazi decks.
There is also a ponza deck there yessss
31/65 decks day 2 are Eldrazi decks.
There is also a ponza deck there yessss
I was planning on going to GP Detroit but I'm for sure not going now. Especially with U/W Worship Stony Silence Eldrazi being the current flavor.
This Ryan Overturf commentator guy looks really stoned. Guess that's the only way one can stand watching this garbage all day.
charlequin
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Okay, yeah, I admit it, I was wrong, it was stupid to even think there was a way around this. Blue-white Worship eldrazi is an unholy monstrosity and affront before God.
if you ban eye then you don't need to ban the cheap eldrazi, do you? turn 1 eye means you can cast 2-3 mimics in your first turn which transform into 2-3 4/4s in turn 2 when you play a 2 mana TKS off eldrazi temple. removing eye means 1 mimic on turn 1, another mimic on turn 2, and TKS + 2 4/4 mimics on turn 3.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Temple and Eye both do unfair things. Eye is gone, Temple is like 50% I imagine.
charlequin
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Has anyone speculatively tried the deck without Eye? I'm really curious just how much less good it is with Temple still around.
G/R should beat this, right? World Breaker + Return.Okay, yeah, I admit it, I was wrong, it was stupid to even think there was a way around this. Blue-white Worship eldrazi is an unholy monstrosity and affront before God.
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