I mean, you'll surely lose a life next turn because you can't play a second creature on turn 1. It's OK if you can play two of them at turn 2 though, but I'm not sure how the curve will play out. Maybe the life loss won't matter, but it can add up after a while if an opponent plays it smart.
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Magic: the Gathering - Oath o/t Gatewatch |OT| Look again, the mana is now diamonds!
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I mean, you'll surely lose a life next turn because you can't play a second creature on turn 1. It's OK if you can play two of them at turn 2 though, but I'm not sure how the curve will play out. Maybe the life loss won't matter, but it can add up after a while if an opponent plays it smart.
Shuggananas
Banned
yeah that's real cool
Seems great, hit another one off the top for maximum lols.
Wish this wasn't impossible to cast in 4-color Rally. It seems very playable in a deck built to abuse CoCo.
divisionbyzorro
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This set just keeps making BFZ (the set) look worse and worse. <> should 100% have been introduced in the first set.
I'm pretty sure they had some design troubled that caused them redo BFZ at the last time and using all the good things left over in Oath.
Seems great, hit another one off the top for maximum lols.
This can hit a land, right?
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Yeah it was then switching to the two-block paradigm. MaRo even admitted they had to turn over the file unfinished and development had to finish design for them.
Even the cards that aren't pushed have something that makes them interesting. So different from BFZ
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yes, this is another card that's busted with Eye of Ugin and Eldrazi Temple.
Mono-Black or B/W Eldrazi is probably a thing in standard too, really. Even at one turn a time, the curve is full of big dumb value guys.
Shuggananas
Banned
it's weird because it says put it on the battlefield, lands aren't there are they ? I'm not sure hah
edit : ok, yeah it just says permanent with CMC <= 3 so it makes sense
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Nah they are, it totally hits lands
I just dont see what deck really wants this besides possibly tron as a sideboard answer to twin with bonus of countering scapeshift. "absolutely goddamn insane" should be reserved for cards like Snapcaster lol.
Damn, that's pretty good.
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Sweet. More good one drops and in every color plz <3
How is it useless on turn one? Hitting you opponent for 2+ on turn two is something aggro decks want to do. If BR Eldrazi aggro is a thing this seems like a snap include. the life differential isn't important, just getting you opponent dead fast is.
Is there any deck that plays Kytheon? Because if that card doesn't cut it, why would this one?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's 2/1 in black that can block. That's why it has a drawback. There are other 2/1's in black but they typically can't block.
I think it just depends on the format. Eldrazi standard, yes. But Eldrazi Modern? I think there are better options instead, especially with Eye and Temple.
I mean this with no disrespect, but have you ever played with or against an aggro deck using this kind of card before? This card isn't anything new. And it's cut from the same cloth of other good black 2/1s for 1.
So you're just arguing it's not great in Modern? I agree with that. I'm talking about Standard.
Yeah, I was only talking about Modern, I don't play or have interest in Standard. Sorry, should have made that clear.
And, yes, it's a fit for Standard aggro decks, I know how they work. I'm not saying it's a weak card, regarding the color pie a black 2/1 1CMC is quite strong, I just don't deem it useful enough in the more faster formats where losing life is crucial.
Seems great, hit another one off the top for maximum lols.
Definitely modern playable with temple and eye. Not all that exciting on T3 though but it seems more likely it'll come down on T2. Seems like a nightmare for decks like Jund and Grixis.
In this Standard? Never as far as I know.
In previous Standards? There was a deck in Inn/RTR Standard that made waves for a time.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I wanna know if this guy will finally see play:
I could see either an aggro deck or an aggressive midrange deck topping out with Reality Smasher.
Because it would go in a different shell? It's the same reason Jackal Pup is "better" in Savannah Lions because the shell the former goes into is often a more successful aggro deck than the shell Lions goes into. I dunno if this card will actually see play to be honest but "what about Kytheon?" isn't a completely fair comparison. Also, formats can change to be more accommodating to certain decks too. Maybe Kytheon sucks right now but maybe it might be better in the future (I'm not saying it will be but I'm just saying there is a LOT of precedence for cards getting better in formats ans new cards enter or old ones leave).
Who was talking about Modern? I don't think anyone else was talking about Modern and if you were that wasn't clear until your most recent post.
Pretty recently when Lifebane Zombie and Knight of Infamy were still around. You've got other examples moving further back too.
Am I crazy for suggesting this set is similar to New Phyrexia in terms of good-yet-weird stuff? It has a similar game-changing feeling to me.
Also, why is Nissa preordering at $25. That's hilarious to me. Hopefully I don't have to eat this post in the future, but I just don't see how I would.
Also, why is Nissa preordering at $25. That's hilarious to me. Hopefully I don't have to eat this post in the future, but I just don't see how I would.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
White weenies is an archetype that WOTC has supported forever despite it not having been good in forever.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No. It does what it says it does - reduce generic mana costs by 2.
I don't think it's obvious given what Ancient Tomb used to say.
Thinking of moving the tribrids (Tasigur, Alesha etc) to their respective colours, adding Eldrazi Displacer, Dimensional Infiltrator, Bearer of Silence, Eldrazi Obligator and Vile Redeemer as "Rainbows" since they are multicolour cards in a sense. Or as the 51st cards of their respective colours whatever.
Not sure which colourless mana generatos are good enough to support them, though. I thought of Tendo Ice Bridge, Boreal Druid and maybe Palladium Myr. So sad that I don't have room for many. :/
Not sure which colourless mana generatos are good enough to support them, though. I thought of Tendo Ice Bridge, Boreal Druid and maybe Palladium Myr. So sad that I don't have room for many. :/
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
If it reduced costs by ♦♦ it would reduce the cost of one card because there's only one card that has ♦♦ - ♦ as a cost isn't any different than any other color.
Seems great, hit another one off the top for maximum lols.
This set
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The thing this set is doing that I like is giving a real incentive to run a deck that is not 4 colored with 13 fetchlands
It doesn't have GAME-BREAKING stuff like Phyrexian Mana or just regular nuts stuff like Karn or Batterskull (as far as I can tell) but yeah, the more of this set gets revealed, the more I think of New Phyrexia in comparison in terms of sheer number of playables and potential playables.
You only swap out the old grey numbers if it was mana being produced, in which case it was actually producing C rather than generic mana. For instance, Sol Ring, because it produced colorless mana it changes. If it had instead been formatted like Eye of Ugin where it refers to a cost rather than producing mana it stays the same because in that case it was actually referring to generic mana rather than colorless mana. It's confusing but I hope that helps.
charlequin
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I mean Phyrexian Mana is a high bar to reach (not sure anything in here's gonna see a multi-format banning) but it's probably the high-water-mark since. The ✧ cards do weird and unusual things and have potential in an odd array of decks, so it's clearly having an effect a bit broader than usual.
Seems great, hit another one off the top for maximum lols.
The hell? This have no downsides outside of getting exiled. This set mang.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yup, its Mirari's Wake except lol it costs 7
It's EDH.card
It's EDH.card
Oh they gave that art to a card..
Here's a ramp spell at 7 mana.
That's like saying "here's a million dollars" to a billionaire.
Oh they gave that art to a card..
Cute card in that it lets you draw your entire deck while getting a ton of mana with a Palincron (not infinite because the card draw is manditory)
However, I guess you could have a Lab Maniac somewhere in your deck and use this to find it....
Really now? Can't say I remember. It's all a blur.
The one R/B aggro deck I remember was a deck playing Dark Confidant and Greater Gargadon, :lol
Horatorobor
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Maybe I'll start build an Eldrazi aggro for fmn, maybe it can win me some games.
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