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[Tunoku]

Noble is gonna get disgusting for sure. At this point they can't even put it in Commander because it would mess with the EV too much.

 

[Simply Sarah]

Everyone loves $60+ mana dorks!

I don't think there is any mechanic in the set only done once.

And it was printed in MM2015 anyway.

Missed this. Gitaxian Probe was not in MM2. It has never gotten a reprint outside a FNM card.

 

[Infinite Stars]

On the bright side, if Noble spikes I might be able to sell out of Hatebears mostly to start work on Delver.

The issue is that Mana Dorks were deemed too strong for Standard, despite the fact that no one was complaining about turn 1 Elvish Mystic, and as long as we continue to get stupid power 3 Drops we're never going to get Dorks again. I'd gladly take Mana Dorks over Spell Queller/Reflector Mage/Rallier

 

[HK-47]

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[OnPoint]

I too miss my spells being spells and not stapled to creatures, and mana dorks with which to ramp. I kind of don't like the modern philosophy on either of those things.

 

[HK-47]

On the bright side, if Noble spikes I might be able to sell out of Hatebears mostly to start work on Delver.

The issue is that Mana Dorks were deemed too strong for Standard, despite the fact that no one was complaining about turn 1 Elvish Mystic, and as long as we continue to get stupid power 3 Drops we're never going to get Dorks again. I'd gladly take Mana Dorks over Spell Queller/Reflector Mage/Rallier

Nah ill take those sick value 3 drops. Less 2 drop bombs would be fine though. Its not like Green misses dorks that much.

 

[ironmang]

The no affinity reprints is scaring me a little bit. Going to be clutching my Opals and saying some prayers on March 12.

 

[aidan]

Just had a look at the full spoiler list. Cards I'm happy to see (that weren't previously spoiled):

Soul Warden
Spell Pierce
Cyclonic Rift
Augur of Bolas
Desecration Demon
Unburial Rites
Vampire Nighthawk
Ancient Grudge
Mizzium Mortars
Pyroclasm
Zealous Conscripts
Explore
Advent of the Wurm
Call of the Conclave
Coiling Oracle
Ghor-Clan Rampager
Goblin Electromancer
Obzedat, Ghost Council (at rare!)
Unflinching Courage
Wall of Denial
Boros Reckoner
Gift of Orzhova (because foils are beautiful)

 

[Firemind]

Countersquall is worth something? Not that I know how to unload them all for profits.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Hilarious they just didn't spoil all of the dollar rares at all and left them for the dump.

 

[Santiako]

Countersquall is worth something? Not that I know how to unload them all for profits.

Yeah, it's like 6-7 bucks.

 

[OnPoint]

Bought Countersqualls like a year ago with the intent to build Fae and then didn't. I had no idea they jumped a bit. They were so cheap.

 

[Firemind]

Yeah, it's like 6-7 bucks.

Holy moly

Looks like all the Shards of Alara drafting has finally paid off!

 

[Angry Grimace]

Zelda is awesome
Horizon is awesome
Nier has like a 94 Metacritic
Modern Masters 2017 looks dope

stop it I only have so much money and time

 

[red13th]

22 cards I want for Frontier frame/new templating/art upgrades, plus two for EDH decks. And I don't care about several of the high profile reprints such as Tarmogoyf or Cavern of Souls.
I think this is a new record.

 

[Infinite Stars]

I too miss my spells being spells and not stapled to creatures, and mana dorks with which to ramp. I kind of don't like the modern philosophy on either of those things.

Basically.

Spell Queller as a spell of UW: Counter Target Spell with CMC <=4 would have been great.

 

[Rafy]

Zelda is awesome
Horizon is awesome
Nier has like a 94 Metacritic
Modern Masters 2017 looks dope

stop it I only have so much money and time

I feel you. Looks like I will not be spending any money on games in these next few months. All my budget will go towards MM3 and building a Modern collection.

 

[ironmang]

Zelda is awesome
Horizon is awesome
Nier has like a 94 Metacritic
Modern Masters 2017 looks dope

stop it I only have so much money and time

Looks like there's some mediocre gaming months ahead so at least we'll all have time to catch up on these relentless first few months.

While I'm happy to see MM17 be such a success, I doubt I'll spend much money on it. Really no cards I'm trying to acquire unless goyfs drop enough that I can lock down a $300 playset. Should get a lot of local interest in the format so I'll probably be playing a lot of modern tournaments from April onwards.

 

[Santiako]

Zelda is awesome
Horizon is awesome
Nier has like a 94 Metacritic
Modern Masters 2017 looks dope

stop it I only have so much money and time

Yeah, with those games + Nioh and Mass Effect i'm set until the end of summer.

 

[Angry Grimace]

That hasn't even covered Mass Effect and Persona

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Mass Effect is the only games of those I can even play. Well I still have my PS3 for Persona 5.
Thankfully also the only one I need to get day 1.

 

[traveler]

Zelda is straight up incredible thus far.

Seth Manfield continues to predict Jace's unbanning. I really don't know what the point of that is; I'd love for blue to be better in the format, but blue is weak because it lacks the tools to deal with overly aggressive starts and explosive combos, not because it can't grind out the endgame. The strongest arguments for blue tend to kick in in effectiveness around mid to late game- Ancestral Visions, Snappy, and Cryptic. Unbanning Jace just seems like it would make blue absurdly strong at the stage it's already ok at and do nothing to address its weaknesses.

 

[Angry Grimace]

Zelda is straight up incredible thus far.

Seth Manfield continues to predict Jace's unbanning. I really don't know what the point of that is; I'd love for blue to be better in the format, but blue is weak because it lacks the tools to deal with overly aggressive starts and explosive combos, not because it can't grind out the endgame. The strongest arguments for blue tend to kick in in effectiveness around mid to late game- Ancestral Visions, Snappy, and Cryptic. Unbanning Jace just seems like it would make blue absurdly strong at the stage it's already ok at and do nothing to address its weaknesses.

They're not unbanning Jace even if its practically the only viable unban target left. There's the simple fact that even if its mediocre, an unbanned Jace is a $200 card.

 

[aidan]

They're not unbanning Jace even if its practically the only viable unban target left. There's the simple fact that even if its mediocre, an unbanned Jace is a $200 card.

Unbanning Jace without another major reprint would be lunacy.

 

[Santiako]

Yeah, I don't think they want to add another high costed barrier of entry to the format.

 

[OnPoint]

What's the line here?
.

• Jace is unbanned with no reprint
• Spikes to over $100 overnight

Sounds awful

 

[Tunoku]

Yeah we don't need another slew of decks that are as expensive as Jund/Abzan.

And yes, Zelda is indeed fantastic.

 

[y2dvd]

White seems pretty good so far as far as limited goes. Lots of blinking shenanigans. I tend to draft UW fliers anyways.

And sigh, I guess I'll get the WiiU version of Zelda. Don't really game much anymore but the hype sounds real.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Good idea of them to hold the MOCS online. Last year was so embarrassing a showcase.

 

[Angry Grimace]

What's the line here?
.

• Jace is unbanned with no reprint
• Spikes to over $100 overnight

Sounds awful

It wouldn't spike to $100. It would be $200.

 

[Wulfric]

What's on my shopping list?

Jund, The Deck
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Liliana of the Veil
4x Verdant Catacombs

The deck went from outrageously expensive to... regular expensive. You couldn't ask for a better setlist in nearly every color except blue. Ancestral Visions is a huge miss. So is Chalice to a lesser extent.

 

[Santiako]

MOCS is streaming, BBD vs Owen right now.

https://www.twitch.tv/magic

(AER/AER/KLD)

 

[Angry Grimace]

The other problem is the idea that unbanning Jace, the Mind Sculptor would lead to something that we traditionally think of as blue control coming back. What you would actually get is:

Lands

4 x Verdant Catacombs
1 x Blooming Marsh
4 x Polluted Delta
2 x Watery Grave
3 x Creeping Tar Pit
2 x Darkslick Shores
1 x Breeding Pool
1 x Overgrown Tomb
2 x Swamp
1 x Forest
1 x Island
1 x Misty Rainforest

Creatures

4 x Tarmogoyf
4 x Snapcaster Mage
4 x Dark Confidant
1 x Vendilion Clique
2 x Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Planeswalkers

4x Liliana of the Veil
3x Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Spells

1 x Remand
4 x Fatal Push
3 x Inquisition of Kozilek
3 x Thoughtseize
3 x Abrupt Decay
1 x Maelstrom Pulse

e.g. a $3000 Sultai deck that looks like Jund with a ridiculous top-end that prevents your opponent from doing anything.

 

[Santiako]

The other problem is the idea that unbanning Jace, the Mind Sculptor would lead to something that we traditionally think of as blue control coming back. What you would actually get is:

Lands

4 x Verdant Catacombs
1 x Blooming Marsh
4 x Polluted Delta
2 x Watery Grave
3 x Creeping Tar Pit
2 x Darkslick Shores
1 x Breeding Pool
1 x Overgrown Tomb
2 x Swamp
1 x Forest
1 x Island
1 x Misty Rainforest

Creatures

4 x Tarmogoyf
4 x Snapcaster Mage
4 x Dark Confidant
1 x Vendilion Clique
2 x Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Planeswalkers

4x Liliana of the Veil
3x Jace, the Mind Sculptor

Spells

1 x Remand
4 x Fatal Push
3 x Inquisition of Kozilek
3 x Thoughtseize
3 x Abrupt Decay
1 x Maelstrom Pulse

e.g. a $3000 Sultai deck that looks like Jund with a ridiculous top-end that prevents your opponent from doing anything.

Oh man, current Jund that can just lock you out of the game after turn 5 or 6 sounds just disgusting.

 

[Angry Grimace]

The other deck that wants Jace, the Mind Sculptor is Lantern Control (although I don't think it plays enough or any blue to swing it, but Jace almost instantly wins you the game).

 

[hermit7]

What's on my shopping list?

Jund, The Deck
4x Tarmogoyf
4x Liliana of the Veil
4x Verdant Catacombs

The deck went from outrageously expensive to... regular expensive. You couldn't ask for a better setlist in nearly every color except blue. Ancestral Visions is a huge miss. So is Chalice to a lesser extent.

I need these too, but only 3 Liliana.

What do edh players do if they want to get into more modern? I have burn with fetches but have a fair number of edh decks that I pulled them for (and not playing modern much). Do you only get one playset so the deck is always done and built?

 

[Santiako]

I need these too, but only 3 Liliana.

What do edh players do if they want to get into more modern? I have burn with fetches but have a fair number of edh decks that I pulled them for (and not playing modern much). Do you only get one playset so the deck is always done and built?

I keep my fetches in my modern deck and proxies of them in the edh decks.

 

[Infinite Stars]

Jace isn't getting unbanned because as was pointed out, Blue gets better in the late game. The issue with Blue right now is that getting to that late game. When you've got 2-3 Visions on suspend, Cryptic, Snap, etc, you've got it good. Not so much when you kept a hand of Fatal Push, Serum Visions, Ancestral Vision, Snapcaster, and 3 lands against Tron, where they go "Turn 3 Karn? And starting nuking your hand"

What Blue needs is some way to stall in the early game/draw the right answers. I know everyone here thinks Preordain is off the table, but if Serum Visions isn't good enough, and Preordain is too good, what is just right? Would something like "Scry 1, Draw 1, Scry 1" be too strong?

 

[Ashodin]

Zelda is awesome
Horizon is awesome
Nier has like a 94 Metacritic
Modern Masters 2017 looks dope

stop it I only have so much money and time

ikr

 

[Angry Grimace]

I like how people figured out the EV of MM2017 with wacky math. Every time I see one of these, I have to laugh at the assumption that bulk has literally any value at all.

The average common is worth 0, the average uncommon is worth 0 and most "dollar rares" are worth 0.

 

[Tunoku]

Yeah you can only count those if you're a store and opening massive quantities.

 

[OnPoint]

You guys think Exalted might be a mechanic in Amonkhet and we might see NH there? It would fit the potential Shard theme.

 

[kirblar]

You guys think Exalted might be a mechanic in Amonkhet and we might see NH there? It would fit the potential Shard theme.

I don't see that card coming back to Standard.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I would be less surprised to see Birds of Paradise in standard again.

 

[OnPoint]

Is the only other option a Masterpiece while we start waiting to see it in MM2019?

 

["God's Beard!"]

I wanna see Deathrite Shaman in amonkhet as a guy that makes mummies.

 

[Angry Grimace]

I doubt it would be a Masterpiece either. Why would a Noble Hierarch be hanging around Amonkhet?

Like, its too bad Hierarch isn't in the set, but I don't consider Hierarch's price point anywhere near as egregious as Mishra's Bauble's price-point. Hierarch is a pushed, powerful card; Bauble is a dumb cantrip.

[QUOTE="God's Beard!";231437840]I wanna see Deathrite Shaman in amonkhet as a guy that makes mummies.[/QUOTE]

Because what Black/Green needs right now is a 1-mana planeswalker.

 

[Wulfric]

Is the only other option a Masterpiece while we start waiting to see it in MM2019?

I can see a Noble Hierarch masterpiece happening if Amonkhet has Exalted as a mechanic. It's never coming back to standard unfortunately.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Because what Black/Green needs right now is a 1-mana planeswalker.

Glad we agree on something.

 

[OnPoint]

I doubt it would be a Masterpiece either. Why would a Noble Hierarch be hanging around Amonkhet?

Like, its too bad Hierarch isn't in the set, but I don't consider Hierarch's price point anywhere near as egregious as Mishra's Bauble's price-point. Hierarch is a pushed, powerful card; Bauble is a dumb cantrip.

Because what Black/Green needs right now is a 1-mana planeswalker.

Because if there are Shards it accounts for the colors. And if a Hierarch is a "chief priest", why wouldn't they be flavorful enough? There are Gods to be worshiped, no? One may even be Bant colored.