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Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?
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thanks. World Breaker seems pretty great for this matchup indeed
zombies just keep folding to sweltering suns and flamecaller. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out but I told you the deck is weak to sweepers weeks ago
It is but they can't afford anymore bans. Coco was worth a ban and had more severe restrictions on what you could put in the deck.
they can't really afford to announce yet another ban anyway unless Marvel is getting really bad for some reason. I think control still has the tools to go against Marvel, if not anything else
I think I might jump into standard when Zendikar and Innistrad rotate out. Marvel will still be around, but oh well
Poodlestrike
Banned
Well, no. They'd still be playable in limited and, of course, casual.
Wat. That's a terrible idea
They could ban Marvel but then there would be another dominant deck and they would have to ban that, and so forth. Then we would be left off with decks that are hardly better than draft chaff. Marvel is beatable I think, the problem is more how the format has started to revolve around a few big threats and is increasingly narrowing as a whole. We just have to sit out until the rotation.
Poodlestrike
Banned
But why though? You've got the big stompy monsters for people who dig that but keep them out of the format where they're most warping.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm happy Chandra Flamecaller is seeing more play. No idea why she was left on the wayside for so long.
I hope Eric loses.
I hope Eric loses.
Infinite Stars
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Except Gearhulks are ETB, not cast.
Lazy vs Crazy
Member
Tuned in just in time to see him blaming his loss on his headphones. Is there a more unlikable pro?
It would have been more fun if it had been properly tested
to be fair, they didn't know about the rotation change at the time
imagine all those useless vanilla eldrazi still had annihilator. Oh, the things that could have been
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Owen tends to be disliked but I've never heard of Owen pressuring opponents into conceding and apparently he doesn't ID either.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
with good ramp. RG ramp was a thing a year or so ago.
Eh, I lost a lot of faith in ramp once they got rid of one mana dorks. Still, anything's possible.
But there's something especially dirty about cheating Bolas into play. He wouldn't do it legitimately if he could get away with cheating, would he?
charlequin
Banned
It's possible it'll disappear completely, but it's the kind of deck that will tend to be overrepresented in FNMs and such unless it's really thoroughly wrecked.
Even if they weren't gonna be gunshy due to two rounds of bans already there's nothing about Marvel that's bannable. It's big and dumb but it doesn't fundamentally warp the environment the way something like copycat did.
I think at this point the evidence is pretty solidly in the camp that the sudden emergency format change was a terrible idea.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
If those Chandras were flamecallers instead of ToD the game would have been over.
Standard is saved and the advantage bar is terrible as always. Gerry had like 8 outs.
Standard is saved and the advantage bar is terrible as always. Gerry had like 8 outs.
Yesss, keeping the zombie dream alive!
Flamecaller is insane against Zombies, but I'd wager Torch is better against most of the field.
Flamecaller is insane against Zombies, but I'd wager Torch is better against most of the field.
I mean, it's an alright card, but I dunno, it seems expensive for what it does, and playing it with Bolas only gets you an extra loyalty counter. Might as well play Oath of Gideon at that point.
Unless you can reliably have multiple Dark Intimations in your yard and it's somehow enough to ult on the turn you cast him, I don't see it seeing much play.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
ToD is better w/o Marvel but Flamecaller is a faster wincon on her own and can turn gamestates much easier.
Now that you mention it, Flamecaller is a better hit off of Marvel, yeah.
See I'm worried that this is the same thought process that got us into this mess with emrakul and Gideon and copter
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
4-color marvel... it's like Saheeli never left.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
There's been some Bant lists. The UG part of the deck is core but red can be substituted, white also gives you access to cast out which is a decent hit off Marvel as well. Red really is mostly for Harnessed Lightning and the Thopter guy.
Precisely. She comes down clears the board, hits for 6 or draws and loots a bunch of cards.
Yeah, that's the thing about Marvel decks, the third color seems to be completely interchangeable. You've got Temur decks, Bant decks, and Sultai decks.
Even if the core of the decks are all "Marvel into Ulamog", I can appreciate that there are multiple variations on that core idea. It's not like Copy-Cat where pretty much every deck was the exact same, or Mardu Vehicles where you get minor variations but for the most part they're all the same.
Was copycat all the same because it only had one deck and the mirror to worry about?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why is BDM giving not IDing a bad rap by calling it team crushing?
This mirror is exactly why marvel is just a shitty deck to play for and against. Each player has gotten 2 or 3 spins, and both missed on it. Basically your playing roulette hoping you get lucky and hit. Some games you just spin your wheels and hit nothing.
So its ... whose luckier me or you ?
So its ... whose luckier me or you ?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
You're priced into Jeskai and that was better off w/o the combo and playing control and Gearhulk beats.
That's just inherent to magic anyway, Marvel just takes it up a notch and not even that much.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
As I have mentioned to Maro, lucksacking being a tournament viable mechanic is stupid. Hence why I knew Marvel was dumb as soon as it was spoiled.
Imperfected
Member
Spin to Win.
If new Bolas is ridiculously powerful I'm going to run a Marvel + Deploy the Gatewatch overpriced PWs deck just to drive people crazy.
If new Bolas is ridiculously powerful I'm going to run a Marvel + Deploy the Gatewatch overpriced PWs deck just to drive people crazy.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why didn't Yuuya cast harnessed lightning on the Virtuoso, if Martin spends the energy don't use any energy for lightning to preserve the red mana, then untap and cast radiant flames?
Muller's lineup looked better against aggro.
Muller's lineup looked better against aggro.
Mullers deck wouldve destroyed gerry thompson and probably the gb energy deck, wantanabees deck is built for the mirror.
So basically the non marvel decks i think got helped alot by this matchup going the way it did.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I went to the LGS and they didn't have any left so I'm guessing they're making enough money.
I can totally understand misplaying fatal push, but grasp?
eh, I wasn't comepletely serious with that post. I guess that what's played in standard isn't super important for their sales
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Yeah, watanabe still has game with censors and gearhulks though but Muller wouod have destroyed them.
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