Familienoberhauptvogel
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Street Wraith gotta bite it eventually at this point right?
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Magic: the Gathering |OT11| Amonkhet - Have you ever had decks with a Pharaoh?
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If they want to try to neuter it, yes. If they want to nuke it, they'll just axe death's shadow (what I'm expecting at this point).
I would much rather them target that before touching anything else, yeah.
DS was around forever and wasn't an issue till recently.
I'll have to do better in vegas. 
I do want to test Geist in the build. Harlan has the same initial skepticism I had regarding spell queller, but it is, somehow, much better in practice. Even in game 1, you can frequently capture a critical spell and keep the queller alive against main deck removal for a few turns to get in some points. Also, it incidentally makes your colonnade better, as any pushes that it eats are no longer around for them. Not sure if Firer tested 4x queller mb or is just skeptical.
I do want to test Geist in the build. Harlan has the same initial skepticism I had regarding spell queller, but it is, somehow, much better in practice. Even in game 1, you can frequently capture a critical spell and keep the queller alive against main deck removal for a few turns to get in some points. Also, it incidentally makes your colonnade better, as any pushes that it eats are no longer around for them. Not sure if Firer tested 4x queller mb or is just skeptical.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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It's not just DS. Living End is back with a vengeance and with Hour of Devastation coming it can only get better.
I've even heard of straight UB builds popping up.
I've even heard of straight UB builds popping up.
Grave yard hate is going to be out in force in Vegas.
Wondering how feasible it would be to consider a trinket mage centric sb for jeskai control. Could run relic for gy decks, pithing needle for random threats, and meekstone for eldrazi tron.
Edit: oh whoops meekstone isn't modern legal. Fooled by masterpiece frames.
Wondering how feasible it would be to consider a trinket mage centric sb for jeskai control. Could run relic for gy decks, pithing needle for random threats, and meekstone for eldrazi tron.
Edit: oh whoops meekstone isn't modern legal. Fooled by masterpiece frames.
Infinite Stars
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I could see Trophy Mage maybe: Bridge, OStone, Crucible, etc.
blindrocket
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Isn't that true about SW as well? Living End was my first Modern deck that I built years ago and SW was in it. I don't remember it ever being considered OP.
blindrocket
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Any last comments?
"Eldrazi Tron still great."
"Eldrazi Tron still great."
T
Transhuman
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I love Patrick Chapin, definitely the most handsome Hall of Famer.
Except for all those Ceremonious Rejection that people will jam into their sideboard now
Except for all those Ceremonious Rejection that people will jam into their sideboard now
1 for 1s I'm ok with. Even counters company is down which takes some value out of cards like flaying tendrils.
Didn't get to play this weekend but checked out some of the event coverage. What happened to that Elk/Grieselbrand deck that was spotlighted early on at 3-0?
Also, any last minute predictions on tomorrow's announcement? Lots of people are predicting a core-ish set that goes with the 2 others each year from what I'm reading.
Also, any last minute predictions on tomorrow's announcement? Lots of people are predicting a core-ish set that goes with the 2 others each year from what I'm reading.
Imperfected
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It's too slow, decks like Dredge and Company can already have won the game by that point, and most other decks pack some form of disruption for it. Needs to be doing more with its first two turns.
Top 32 from Charlotte posted: Decklists
The more burn heavy tempoish Jeskai control builds I've been advocating this past week made a very strong showing in this deaths shadow and coco dominated world. No consensus on the list yet though, with some using quellers, others geists, and still other's using resto angels and torrential gearhulks(!). If people shift to eldrazi tron or dredge in high numbers for upcoming events, the deck will have a hard time, but if coco 5c humans deaths shadow and affinity make up the bulk of the meta, it's very well positioned.
The more burn heavy tempoish Jeskai control builds I've been advocating this past week made a very strong showing in this deaths shadow and coco dominated world. No consensus on the list yet though, with some using quellers, others geists, and still other's using resto angels and torrential gearhulks(!). If people shift to eldrazi tron or dredge in high numbers for upcoming events, the deck will have a hard time, but if coco 5c humans deaths shadow and affinity make up the bulk of the meta, it's very well positioned.
SigmasonicX
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Time to lay down your cards. What's going to happen tomorrow in Metamorphosis 2.0?
My guess is:
* Core sets return, but they are not part of the block schedule. They will be supplemental sets that are meant to teach new players how to draft and such, and won't particularly try to appeal to experienced players like Magic 2010+, since that just muddled its purpose. They will be used to ensure baseline cards like Lightning Strike and counters to certain strategies are in Standard, not to introduce exciting cards like the Titans.
* The Standard rotation schedule will be altered, though I don't know how.
My guess is:
* Core sets return, but they are not part of the block schedule. They will be supplemental sets that are meant to teach new players how to draft and such, and won't particularly try to appeal to experienced players like Magic 2010+, since that just muddled its purpose. They will be used to ensure baseline cards like Lightning Strike and counters to certain strategies are in Standard, not to introduce exciting cards like the Titans.
* The Standard rotation schedule will be altered, though I don't know how.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Maybe they'll finally let pikula into the HOF instead of being dumb.
Imperfected
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I'm expecting nothing and still bracing for disappointment. The week's probably going to be jam-packed with announcement of things that are already known quantities in the community (MMORPG, Hour of Devastation, Iconic Masters, Commander 2017, etc.).
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem with Core Sets is that the idea of being beginner sets is a waste of time. They're fine as reprint sets.
A Serious Man
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Sets are being abolished completely. All cards will now be distributed only through monthly loot crates.
Remembrance
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They sold off Vryn to EA to use as the setting of Anthem. Jace's retconned true home plane will be the setting of all future Core Sets.
I thought I was the only one that noticed.
charlequin
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I mean, don't be hyped because you think the stuff they'll make will be bad for whatever reason, fine, but this is a really weird tack to take when there's specifically so much stuff to announce (they're going well into 2018 since they're covering the whole Anniversary) and we know just by volume that a bunch of it will be stuff we don't know about.
Honestly I don't think they want to switch from the 2 years thing now that they've established everyone can understand it.
The only way it would change again is if they want to keep sets in standard for longer (so changing to a system where a 2-set block only pushes out a different 2-set block.)
If they think a reason Spring sets don't sell as well is because they're only in standard for 18/15 months, this is a reason to make the change.
(This is not me predicting or advocating, just going through the argument for it.)
If they think a reason Spring sets don't sell as well is because they're only in standard for 18/15 months, this is a reason to make the change.
(This is not me predicting or advocating, just going through the argument for it.)
Imperfected
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I didn't say anything about the expected quality of anything they're announcing (aside from the MMORPG, anyway). I actually expect I'm going to be pretty interested in Iconic Masters, at the very least, and at least mildly interested in Hour of Devastation and Ixalan.
Rather, what I said is that I don't expect many actual "hype" surprises, because in my experience when someone makes an announcement about how they're going to make a lot of announcements, there's never enough actual surprises to justify doing so. It's like someone loudly declaring they have the most amazing hand ever in a game of poker; they may not be bluffing as such, but at best they're probably got three of a kind.
People don't tell you to prepare to be amazed when they're going to amaze you. They just knock your socks off and drop the mic.
Yeah I really think an always-live Core Set should be a good thing.
I mean the sets announcement on Wednesday will likely include
Whatever the Core Set is if they're doing that (they should do more origins style, I like flipwalkers + sample dives of planes)
Ixalan
Rivals of Ixalan
Commander 2017 pre-cons
Spring Set
Summer Small Set
Core Set?
Un-set!
Anniversary supplemental stuff?
DOMINARIA
I mean the sets announcement on Wednesday will likely include
Whatever the Core Set is if they're doing that (they should do more origins style, I like flipwalkers + sample dives of planes)
Ixalan
Rivals of Ixalan
Commander 2017 pre-cons
Spring Set
Summer Small Set
Core Set?
Un-set!
Anniversary supplemental stuff?
DOMINARIA
TheBlackMarvel
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I'm really surprised they didn't make Samut 2.0 a flipwalker.
I think they want to save those designs for a future block, but man if they aren't cool as hell.
TheBlackMarvel
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I mean, I get that but... why would you not use the design for sparking planeswalkers... for a sparking planeswalker. Flavour fail!
TheBlackMarvel
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So there's a banned list update on Wednesday?
@AetherworksMarvel
@AetherworksMarvel
Articles get posted in about an hour and a half usually.
So there's a banned list update on Wednesday?
@AetherworksMarvel
On Tuesday actually, they moved it up one day so people got time to discuss it before the big announcement day (Wednesday), which means there's definitely going to be some bans/unbans.
So there's a banned list update on Wednesday?
@AetherworksMarvel
The B&R updated was moved to Tuesday because Wednesday is their new product announcement day and they didn't want everyone to spend time complaining about the B&R update while they are trying to talk about new product.
There's already enough complaints about Modern's price of entry without adding an essential $150 card to it.
Modern is at its cheapest it's ever been and I somehow doubt Jace would jump up to $150 if he gets unbanned, I'm guessing more like $90 similar to LotV. That said, it would be a very cool card to play with in Control, but he's never getting unbanned lol.
Makes me wonder what kind of legacy/modern bans we can see a few days before the biggest GP of the year. Outside of Marvel which I doubt will eat a ban given it's dominance being downplayed. I just hope they leave the non rotating formats alone for now with a potential deathrite ban in like a year.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Jace is a $150 card if he's legal in Modern.
I think Jace, the Mind Sculptor is literally the only card left on the ban list that's even arguable to unban, actually. I think he should be legal. I don't think he's that bad in a format like Modern.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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right significant bans would be real awkward and make for a very volatile market right now.
Marvel and Street Wraith are the bans I wanna see.
Marvel and Street Wraith are the bans I wanna see.
GregLombardi
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Your logic makes some sense, but do you honestly think that hour of devastation is going to have cards to deal with marvel? If anything, the cards we've seen (Nicol Bolas) ENHANCE marvel.
Street Wraith seems like such an obvious ban. I mean, it's basically a slightly worse Gitaxian Probe for all intents and purposes, and that card's banned in Modern, so why not Street Wraith?
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Git Probe ban was to hit 3 decks (Infect, DS, UR Blitz) while street wraith would only hit 2 (DS, Living End).
pseudocaesar
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I have a question in regards to release the gremlins. Can I choose how much mana I assign to each 'x' value. Ie pay 1 red, 1 generic, and say 6 other mana to destroy 1 artifact and create 6 gremlins? Or do the x values have to match?
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