Death means nothing to Urza. He's green, so he can probably regenerate.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Death means nothing to Urza. He's green, so he can probably regenerate.
Of the repeated topics we continually cycle back to in this thread, this one is the funniest to me.
Urza, Yet Again WUBRG
Planeswalker 5
Remove a card type from target card in play. +1
Add a card type to target card in play. 0
You win this game. You also win the next game you play. -6
Make those prerelease tournaments really special.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
3-0'd a Cube
then immediately 0-3'd because I played 3 straight mono-white/x guys with nothing but nonstop enchantment removal to get rid of my Heartbeat of Spring and Mirari's Wake every single time the moment I cast them.
My only question who in the fuck is drafting mono white in cube much less three straight dudes
then immediately 0-3'd because I played 3 straight mono-white/x guys with nothing but nonstop enchantment removal to get rid of my Heartbeat of Spring and Mirari's Wake every single time the moment I cast them.
My only question who in the fuck is drafting mono white in cube much less three straight dudes
Infinite Stars
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That's.. surprisingly solid.
You got that one creature out? Exile it.
No creatures? Lemme see whatcha got.
Good card.
I don't think it's better then Collective Brutality, but it's a strong effect. Worst case scenario it's a Murder, best case you exile something big/strip out a key card
Stealth edit: wait, it's any card? It's 3 Mana Thoughtsieze without the life pay with added flexibility? That's more then strong.
A Serious Man
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Your opponent getting to choose which creature they exile kills this for me.
You'll never use the first part unless
There are no clear weaker creatures
There's only one creature.
I'd say past two creatures is the limit on this.
The other choice is stellar though.
A Serious Man
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I don't know if I'd call a three mana Thoughtseize "stellar" but it's a solid card. The edict mode makes it a better draw than Thoughtseize late but your opponent is more likely to have multiple creatures late as well.
I mean it is a decent edict for one more that has thoughtseize stapled to it. It's definitely a solid card but 3mana cards just feel really crowded.
Either Kefnet is going to be a massive jobber that never really does anything or he will secretly be a super all star cause he has had significantly less screen(?) time of the five gods.
Either Kefnet is going to be a massive jobber that never really does anything or he will secretly be a super all star cause he has had significantly less screen(?) time of the five gods.
I don't cube often, but when I do like to go mono-white, especially if I'm not getting any super obvious signals that something else is open. It's a relatively clear and easy archetype that has very little competition for or crossover cards with other deck types.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
it does do double duty against torrential Gearhulk decks
True, but thos le decks don't feel like they're in a great spot right now in general. Anyway, that was the TLP preview and they have a podcast discussing the card online: http://www.toplevelpodcast.com/doomfall/
keeblerdrow
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If the edict was more directed, like crackling doom, doomfall would be more playable. As it is, I don't see myself sleeping this card up. Maybe sideboard after to the slaughter rotates?
The flexibility is the upside, but it's gunning for what? Decks that go tall?
The flexibility is the upside, but it's gunning for what? Decks that go tall?
TheBlackMarvel
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Kefnet has the foreshadowing of being meddled with by Nissa, so he has the best chance of surviving/doing something useful.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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people love playing control anyways.
blindrocket
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Oh, definitely.
A Serious Man
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Funny both adtermath cards that shuffle graveyards into libraries can be instant cheated with Torrential Gearhulk.
Also holy shit at the disonnance between farm art name and effect.
Also holy shit at the disonnance between farm art name and effect.
SigmasonicX
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I don't get the flavor of Farm.
Struggle // Survive is a weird combination of effects.
Weird that Torment of Hailfire is Bolas flavored instead of locust flavored, but I suppose that god isn't black.
Struggle // Survive is a weird combination of effects.
Weird that Torment of Hailfire is Bolas flavored instead of locust flavored, but I suppose that god isn't black.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I guess it's a play on Bolas farming humans but then it's a regular embalm mummy doing the killing.
Mouth!
That it's not a land makes me
I mean, I get it. It's a play on Swords to Plowshares. Still hate it.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
"Farm" as a verb
FreedomFrisbee
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Calling Urza out as 'ludicrously overpowered' is kinda ignoring that all the oldwalkers were ludicrously overpowered. Being overpowered doesn't really make a character a Mary Sue. At this point Jace is about as Mary Sue as Urza was. As in, there are definite points in the story where that's totally exactly what was happening, and points where it wasn't. I think Jace has had it worse as he was purposely designed to be a literal cypher for the player and started off that way. Urza started off as a childish socially inept genius. To me Urza has always been a crazy old man driving a beat up car with a refrigerator taped to it off to kill Yawgmoth. At no point does anyone question Urza's motivation or purpose within the story. Jace had neither of those for years, didn't get one until the end of RtR.
Getting the story back to the point of Urza vs Yawgmoth is something that has several completely plausible story paths to it. Whether or not it should happen is arguable. I'd rather have Bolas lead the phyrexians into a new interplanar war than have a straight Yawgmoth resurrection (which they actually did do in Onslaught). But I'd be exceedingly cool with Karn finding Agyrem and Urza's ghost popping out of him.
SigmasonicX
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First Play Design article
* DeTora was hired in April. They were in the last stages of HOU development then.
* Torment used to be a keyword, before she started work, with the punisher effect seen on the above cards. They determined the decisions were more interesting if they happened infrequently.
* During test drafting, she passed Torment of Scarabs and proceeded to get her ass kicked by it.
Also, they gave preview cards to that The Inkwell comic for some reason. That's where the split cards came from.
* DeTora was hired in April. They were in the last stages of HOU development then.
* Torment used to be a keyword, before she started work, with the punisher effect seen on the above cards. They determined the decisions were more interesting if they happened infrequently.
* During test drafting, she passed Torment of Scarabs and proceeded to get her ass kicked by it.
Also, they gave preview cards to that The Inkwell comic for some reason. That's where the split cards came from.
Looks like a worse Killing Wave to me, but it's still a total blowout card in draft, for sure. Drop 7 mana or so on it watch your enemy squirm. Gonna suck no matter what they choose.
On the flip side, gonna suck to see it in your starting hand. Or against someone that has a ton of bug tokens or whatever to eat up most of the damage.
Written as always being right? Depends on the book. He fucked up big in the Brother's War and Planeswalker.
A Serious Man
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If you run into someone on MTGO playing really bad Grixis or U/B control decks trying to cast Hailfire for 8 or Nicol Bolas, say hi.
Play Hailfire in a Sultai build for me. Torment of Hailfire + Weaver of Currents + Bounty of the Luxa so X= 10 or 12.
It's a little better than Killing Wave because it's one sided. It's significantly worse at lower numbers though. I feel like you want X to be at least 4. It's definitely going to en a lot of games in limited.
Yeah, at least this doesn't hit you, but Killing Wave doesn't have the discard option as an out, and it hits every creature they have.
I'm just imagining some asshole with a great BG deck that's made a bunch of crap with Nest of Scarabs that's just like "OK, sac 4 scarabs, no big deal". At least Killing Wave would really stick it to them for trying to keep stuff or wipe more of their board.
Artwork is phenomenal though. Just Bolas looking smug while raining purple hellfire down on everyone. Looks great.
This annoys me to no end.
What? The elongated hyphen?
ThLunarian
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Oh weird, the Striker has a hyphen while the Proven Combatant doesn't
I had misread this at first as put counters unless they sac/discard or lose 3 life. This is a ridiculously good common for limited, goddamn.
Yes, because the other cards don't have it.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Oh wow I missed the discard a card clause. It blends into the reminder text. I bet that screws up a lot of Limited games
Me, too.
charlequin
Banned
Urza is written that way even in comparison to the other oldwalkers, though. He's constantly having ridiculous ultra-long-term plans pay off even when it makes no sense either to make the plan that way or for it to actually work.
It's really not.
Urza was a bad idea to reintroduce the way they did but as a character he gets significantly worse over time. In the backstory from his namesake block there's a lot of good material, but (like all the other parts of the story, really) it gets drastically worse from there on out until the end of the saga.
Yeah I'm not sure how they fix it on that particular card but the visual design there is fucked up.
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