charlequin
Banned
Yeah but they're two colors and they have distinct roles within the overall society, both of which help make them less cartoonish.
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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Yeah but they're two colors and they have distinct roles within the overall society, both of which help make them less cartoonish.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
that's less cartoonish?
Imperfected
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Nah, but people like Ravnica, so it gets a pass.
Joe Molotov
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I like reading the increasingly out-of-date comments on Gatherer sometimes.
Infinite Stars
Member
Fiora is the Italian Renaissance Politics Plane.
Westeros is late Medieval period, so they're close but not exactly there.
I'd kill for a regular Fiora block though. Or even a "HBO Rome" Plane about a war of successors to"Caesar"
Imperfected
Member
Man that sick turn one infinite combo that just requires 75% of your deck slots to have like a 7% of actually happening, though.
charlequin
Banned
Having people self-organized into formal groups that perform societally important tasks (like, y'know, we have in real life) is less cartoonish than The Society of All Super Eggheaded Smart People Who Live Under the Blue Sun, yes. Every setting from Ravnica onwards has a more nuanced model for factions and color associations than the Odyssey -> Kamigawa period.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Is there really not a single instant or sorcery in blue that returns more than one instant or sorcery from the graveyard to the hand?
This is what I have for Taigam right now, a little over a hundred cards witht he lands and there's still equipments an counters to be included
Otaria at least had factions compete that weren't so dependent upon each other.
This is what I have for Taigam right now, a little over a hundred cards witht he lands and there's still equipments an counters to be included
I don't wanna regurgitate arguments and my problems with Ravnica too much but groups more or less openly FIGHTING EACH OTHER performing societally important tasks is not as much of a step up as you make it out to be.
Otaria at least had factions compete that weren't so dependent upon each other.
Assuming Horizon Canopy is too good for WotC to ever complete the cycle, but have they ever said anything one way or another on it?
Definitely is. Let me do some searching.
Edit:
and
is the one I remembered. Forgot the flashback was red, though, so if this is a commander color identity thing, you can't use it.
Definitely is. Let me do some searching.
Edit:
and
is the one I remembered. Forgot the flashback was red, though, so if this is a commander color identity thing, you can't use it.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Oh yeah I ignored that because Taigam (upcoming UW commnder) granting it rebound wouldn't do anything as it exiles itself upon resolving.Definitely is. Let me do some searching.
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Yeah, they've been playing it more safe with recursive cards that could return copies of themselves in recent sets. Exiling on resolution is a pretty common clause nowadays.
With Taigam, aren't the single card recursion spells like Call to Mind ok since you've getting them twice anyways? Not sure how cutthroat you want to be, but in the right board state, I'm assuming 2 call to mind effects and a non exiling Time Warp effect wins the game.
The artifact clause isn't a free rider; that's a serious condition, especially if you're looking to immediately recur cards when you cast the spell. 10 mana is pretty hefty too, even in commander and split across 2 payments.
With Taigam, aren't the single card recursion spells like Call to Mind ok since you've getting them twice anyways? Not sure how cutthroat you want to be, but in the right board state, I'm assuming 2 call to mind effects and a non exiling Time Warp effect wins the game.
The artifact clause isn't a free rider; that's a serious condition, especially if you're looking to immediately recur cards when you cast the spell. 10 mana is pretty hefty too, even in commander and split across 2 payments.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Speaking of commander I was writing this card off until I saw it in action
Taigam for reference.
It's effectively a "draw 3 answers" for 3 mana which is an amazing deal.
Probably they are just so mana inefficient, I don't like going too heavy on extra turns. The miracle is the only one I'm running right now.
Taigam for reference.
I was going to suggest pieces of the puzzle, but that looks pretty great too. Not sure which would be better, as three nonland cards is likely always great, but you do get the choice yourself with pieces and if you have recursive/delve elements, can leverage the graveyard dump as well.
I don't like cutthroat EDH either. If you're going less brutally competitive and more flavorful, myth realized might be a fun include, as it's affiliated with the Ojutai monks as is, your deck likely has outlets to make creatures unblockable to trigger Taigam's ability, and Taigam's ability should give 2 triggers to the Myth in place of one.
I don't like cutthroat EDH either. If you're going less brutally competitive and more flavorful, myth realized might be a fun include, as it's affiliated with the Ojutai monks as is, your deck likely has outlets to make creatures unblockable to trigger Taigam's ability, and Taigam's ability should give 2 triggers to the Myth in place of one.
It'd be busted in control colors, it's why they gave it to R/G.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Rebound is part of resolving isn't it, doesn't that make it a nonbo?
That is a sweet card, easily forgotten. I'm gonna compile the deck by function and then I'll see if I have room for another wincon.
Taigam makes all your instants/sorceries uncounterable. You now have a permanent that lets all your stuff through while countering all of your opponents. You still get birds, too, so dtt resolves, gets 8 birds, rebounds, gets 8 birds and resolves both times.
Infinite Stars
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I had a sweet Myth Realized Deck up and running on Modern.. then Fatal Push came.
I'm grateful for Push, but fuck it exasperating the "Black is best" in Modern.
I'm grateful for Push, but fuck it exasperating the "Black is best" in Modern.
Mostly everyone bitching about how it's so expensive.
You balance it by giving red decks the horizon canopy lands /s
Oh. I was wondering if there was reprint news. I have a couple playsets I'd have to unload.
It's bound to be coming in one of the next two masters sets. Not sure it really fits the "iconic" theming, but I doubt all of those cards will adhere to that theme anyways. Wouldn't be a bad idea to unload them some time in the next two months if you're not planning on playing with them.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
oh shit. I need this and I was looking for Academy rector targets that weren't omniscience anyways.
Went 3-1 with Burn today. I lost to Grixia Death's Shadow and the matchup is pretty rough. My draws weren't the greatest, but I feel like it was hard to actually ever put pressure on my opponent and force a move from them. I'm kinda thinking about throwing in Ensnaring Bridge or Mirran Crusader.
I'm assuming from the burn side of the matchup, you hold burn back till they've intentionally knocked themselves down to 4/4 or 5/5 DS range, then unload. How does the deck deal with anglers or tasigur, though? I guess that's the idea behind those sb options? Bridge won't work too well since they can stub it or k command it after resolution, so crusader is your better choice there. Actually applies pressure too in the absence of needing to hold the fort.
Alternatively, if you have access to white, as the crusader suggestion implies, you could just run a more flexible piece of hate in rest in peace. With the gy gone, they won't be hardcasting their delve threats anytime soon and you eliminate a good chunk of snappy/thought scour functionality. It is pretty terrible if it shows up after the delve threat comes online, though.
I'd say if, then I know everythingI knew what the name of the cat was
Just trying to be considerate of people that have yet to play Ghost Trick!
This is how I board:
-4 Searing Blaze
-3 Monastery Swiftspear
+2 Relic of Progenitus
+3 Path to Exile
+2 Deflecting Palm
As you said, the plan is to burn them on their end step, untap, and then burn them some more. Creatures are not great against their threats past turn 3 or 4 and Searing Blaze is a bad Lava Spike in the matchup. I prefer Relic to RiP and the Relic at least replaces itself and can come down on turn 1. The Paths are obviously necessary and do a good job at dealing with Death's Shadow and the upside of Deflecting Palm is just too high in the matchup.
My current list:
4 Goblin Guide
4 Monastery Swiftspear
4 Eidolon of the Great Revel
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Lava Spike
4 Rift Bolt
4 Searing Blaze
4 Skullcrack
4 Boros Charm
4 Lightning Helix
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Arid Mesa
2 Scalding Tarn
3 Inspiring Vantage
2 Sacred Foundry
1 Stomping Ground
2 Mountain
/sideboard
2 Kor Firewalker
3 Path to Exile
4 Destructive Revelry
2 Deflecting Palm
2 Grafdigger's Cage
2 Relic of Progenitus
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Alright revised list not includeing mana production and way too many cuts to make since I haven't even put in regular counters yet.
On first glance I can cut Mind's Dilation, too many options.
On first glance I can cut Mind's Dilation, too many options.
Ooh are we posting advance CMD 2017 lists?
Here's Ramos
"BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED"
Also LSV's Red is up https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/hour-of-devastation-limited-set-review-red/
Here's Ramos
"BY YOUR POWERS COMBINED"
Also LSV's Red is up https://www.channelfireball.com/articles/hour-of-devastation-limited-set-review-red/
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Why are people playing temple of the false god?
"Is the game going to go to turn 5 regularly?"
If yes, the card is godlike.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. I don't own the card.
edit: Wait I do! Hmm I need SPACE
I like Spinal Parasite threatening to eat planeswalkers.
SigmasonicX
Member
Red really does look great at common and uncommon.
Shame about some of those rares.
blindrocket
Member
Hmm... the card is too slow for competitive lists.
charlequin
Banned
It'd be a bit of an adjustment to the deck to support it, but the other option I thought of was Sacred Excavation.
I mean it's all fantasy worldbuilding (and therefore inherently goofy) but there really is a far greater amount of richness in the Guilds than Generic Onslaught Soldier People or whatever and it's one of the big reasons Ravnica is so popular.
Simply Sarah
Member
It's basically only remotely functional in a slow, lower powered, durdle-filled format, yes. But it's quite reasonable there.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In light of that revelation I'm reevualitng that card but yeah not playing it.
Absolutely but they are still Bella cart9onish and trite.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In light of that revelation I'm reevualitng that card but yeah not playing it
Absolutely but they are still hella cartoonish and cliche. Mostly because the whole colour pie is bad in that regard.
A store in Australia is streaming their pre-release. The games should start in a few minutes if you are interested in seeing how the new cards play.
http://www.twitch.tv/generalgamesaus
http://www.twitch.tv/generalgamesaus
I'm actually really glad that a lot of the Hour of Devastation rares seem to be a lot more toned down in terms of limited usefulness compared to Amonkhat. Just thinking about some of the matches I lost makes my blood boil.
"Oh, I couldn't kill you before you got Sandwurm Convergence out and I'm not playing colors with enchantment removal so I just lose this game."
"Oh, I don't have instant speed removal for your Glorybringer, so I guess I just eat 4 damage and lose a creature."
"Oh, I don't have enough removal to cast two in a single turn, so your Glyph Keeper is just untouchable. And even if I save up it'll just come back."
Just realized that this will probably be only the second Pre-release I miss since I started playing again with Scars of Mirrodin (I missed one previously due to a massive snow storm a few years ago), and that I'm kind of OK with it? My only experience with Amonkhet limited was that Pre-release as well, and I doubt i'll have time to do FNM draft the rest of the summer.
I can't blame you. I'm going to the midnight prerelease, but that's probably it for the weekend.
In other news, I finally ordered my first Snapcaster Mage. Gonna work towards getting that playset sometime soon. My local shop is selling them for 47,50€ which is steep, but not more expensive than the ones you order online from strangers. I should have bought them after Modern Masters 2017 came out, I know.
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