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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on

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ThLunarian

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Ashodin said:
LEGENDRULE! Now that spoiler season is over, here's what I'm doing this week

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Should I make it a 1/2?
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I like the Wither idea. You could also give it an activated ability to do stuff to creatures with -1/-1 counters.

Like BG, Tap: Destroy target creature with a -1/-1 counter on it?



kirblar said:
Phyrexian Unlife probably gonna blow up - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/against-the-odds-solemnity-modern
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This already blew up to $10-15 overnight. Crazy.
 
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blindrocket

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DrArchon said:
So, is there just gonna be no way to tell at a glance if a deck is taking MTGO by storm anymore? If WotC curates the lists and prevents even similar decks from showing up, all that's going to do is create an artificial view that "everything's fine no shut up it really is".

What a terrible idea.
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You speak the truth. It's not being transparent and that's not good for consumers.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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kirblar said:
Because the deck's now proven to be at least good enough for casual modern play.

The card had very limited supply and was the obvious spike target.
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As I said when the card was spoiled it makes for a bad worship and worship is a playable modern card already.

The potential should have been obvious is what I'm saying.
 
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OnPoint

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Why do you keep calling it "bad Worship"? Yeah it's a similar effect, but it's maybe even a more potent combination than Worship given that there's so little enchantment hate floating around. I think Worship's susceptibility to creature removal maybe makes it worse since there's so much more creature hate floating around.
 
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kirblar

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OnPoint said:
Why do you keep calling it "bad Worship"? Yeah it's a similar effect, but it's maybe even a more potent combination than Worship given that there's so little enchantment hate floating around. I think Worship's susceptibility to creature removal maybe makes it worse since there's so much more creature hate floating around.
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Also, Worship doesn't give you a 10 point life cushion if you don't have any creatures around.
 
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Violet_0

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OnPoint said:
Why do you keep calling it "bad Worship"? Yeah it's a similar effect, but it's maybe even a more potent combination than Worship given that there's so little enchantment hate floating around. I think Worship's susceptibility to creature removal maybe makes it worse since there's so much more creature hate floating around.
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and with archmage around, it's nearly impossible to remove enchantments
<3 Glen Elendra Archmage, one of my favorite cards
 
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divisionbyzorro

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kirblar said:
Also, Worship doesn't give you a 10 point life cushion if you don't have any creatures around.
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It's actually more than that. Phyrexian Unlife will absorb an arbitrarily large damage source as long as it happens all at once. It might only add 10 life against Grapeshot, but in any given situation it could easily functionally be adding 15 or more.
 
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kirblar

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divisionbyzorro said:
It's actually more than that. Phyrexian Unlife will absorb an arbitrarily large damage source as long as it happens all at once. It might only add 10 life against Grapeshot, but in any given situation it could easily functionally be adding 15 or more.
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I meant that it's giving you a 10-point cushion if you don't have Solemnity on the table yet.

1000 damage at once will still kill you via 10+ poison counters.
 
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Santiako

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kirblar said:
I meant that it's giving you a 10-point cushion if you don't have Solemnity on the table yet.

1000 damage at once will still kill you via 10+ poison counters.
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No, 1000 damage at once will drop you to 0. Then the next damage comes in as poison counters.
 
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red13th

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I think it drops you to negative life (well unless you have 1000 life), then since you have 0 or less life further damage will be dealt as poison counters.
 
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Santiako

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red13th said:
I think it drops you to negative life (well unless you have 1000 life), then since you have 0 or less life further damage will be dealt as poison counters.
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Yeah, I said 0 as I could've said -1000, same thing. What I meant is that all damage coming at once (combat damage or Ad Nauseam most likely) will not give you any poison counters if you had more than 1 life to start with.

kirblar said:
That is a weird ass interaction w/ combat damage.
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It's a well known interaction for people that have played with or against Ad Nauseam in modern.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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OnPoint said:
Why do you keep calling it "bad Worship"? Yeah it's a similar effect, but it's maybe even a more potent combination than Worship given that there's so little enchantment hate floating around. I think Worship's susceptibility to creature removal maybe makes it worse since there's so much more creature hate floating around.
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because worship combos with any creature not just a specific card.
 
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OnPoint

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That's definitely how it works. How many times I've seen an Ad Nauseum player drop to -45 or less because of Unlife. Fucking hate that.

Familienoberhauptvogel said:
because worship combos with any creature not just a specific card.
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Right, I mean, I get that. But I still think it would be easier to remove a creature than an enchantment, on average, right now in Modern.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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OnPoint said:
Right, I mean, I get that. But I still think it would be easier to remove a creature than an enchantment, on average, right now in Modern.
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Edict effects are actually run much less. Thrun would be pretty hard to kill for GDS aside from LotV. I think Seth also played a troll worship deck (that's a pun) fairly successfully recently.
 
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OnPoint

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Familienoberhauptvogel said:
Edict effects are actually run much less. Thrun would be pretty hard to kill for GDS aside from LotV. I think Seth also played a troll worship deck fairly successfully recently.
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That's not "any creature" though. That's a "specific card" and hard to remove threat. Besides, Liliana is still played more than enchantment removal.

Look I'm not saying Worship is bad. I'm just saying this combo is better than being reduced to "bad Worship".
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

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OnPoint said:
That's not "any creature" though. That's a specific and hard to remove threat. Besides, Liliana is still played more than enchantment removal.

Look I'm not saying Worship is bad. I'm just saying this combo is better than being reduced to "bad Worship".
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Worship actually saw play in bant eldrazi sideboards and there's more Thruns to go around.
 
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OnPoint

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Familienoberhauptvogel said:
Worship actually saw play in bant eldrazi sideboards and there's more Thruns to go around.
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I guess I don't get the crux of your part in this discussion, then? I know Worship saw play. I was sad I didn't own any when it spiked during Eldrazi Winter. Again, I'm not saying Worship is bad. Of course it's seen more play than Solemnity/Unlife in Modern -- the card has been out for less than a week. Really don't know what your point is now.

Whatever man.
 
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Zocano

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OnPoint said:
That's definitely how it works. How many times I've seen an Ad Nauseum player drop to -45 or less because of Unlife. Fucking hate that.
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Being nit picky here but specifically ad nauseam doesn't kill you because it's life loss and not damage (with the unlife interaction I mean), rather than what they were talking about which is taking a single large source of damage above 1 life.
 
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aidan

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It's worth noting that Worship can also be circumvented by cards like Collective Brutality—which is life loss rather than damage.
 
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OnPoint

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Zocano said:
Being nit picky here but specifically ad nauseam doesn't kill you because it's life loss and not damage (with the unlife interaction I mean), rather than what they were talking about which is taking a single large source of damage above 1 life.
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Fair enough.

aidan said:
It's worth noting that Worship can also be circumvented by cards like Collective Brutality&#8212;which is life loss rather than damage.
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Too bad people don't play more Bump in the Night!
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

Banned
aidan said:
It's worth noting that Worship can also be circumvented by cards like Collective Brutality—which is life loss rather than damage.
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OTOH if worship gets removed you're at 1 not dead.
OnPoint said:
I guess I don't get the crux of your part in this discussion, then? I know Worship saw play. I was sad I didn't own any when it spiked during Eldrazi Winter. Again, I'm not saying Worship is bad. Of course it's seen more play than Solemnity/Unlife in Modern -- the card has been out for less than a week. Really don't know what your point is now.

Whatever man.
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I Just think the combination is a bad worship impersonation. It's just as fragile but requires more build around.
 
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Neoweee

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divisionbyzorro said:
Well, the great thing about Seth's deck is that it's not an Unlife deck. It's a Solemnity deck that plays Unlife but isn't built around it.
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Yeah. Solemnity + Sac outlet + Finks = Win (against all but a few decks), Solemnity + Sac outlet + Graf's = Win. Unlife is just a third win-con against some decks (especially pre-sideboard), but more conditional, and shouldn't be mistaken as a key driver of the deck.
 
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DrArchon

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Yeah, I saw a bunch of mono-blue standard mill decks pop up on TappedOut a while ago, but I dismissed them because mill is garbage for the most part. And I bet it'll still be garbage, but if people want to try it again, more power to them.
 
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Ashodin

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I'm excited about it, so I'll be brewing it up hard today.

wait whaaaaaaaat

there's so many mill cards in standard right now that get better with Fraying Sanity.
 
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Imperfected

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DrArchon said:
Yeah, I saw a bunch of mono-blue standard mill decks pop up on TappedOut a while ago, but I dismissed them because mill is garbage for the most part. And I bet it'll still be garbage, but if people want to try it again, more power to them.
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Ah, but if Phryexian Unlife takes off, all you have to do is mill them!

(Please don't.)
 
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Ashodin

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Some combos I'm discovering

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= Mill 10, cycling a bonus, could run the Sarcophagus to cast it from the GY

You could run Embalmer's Tools + Throne of the God-Pharaoh for Mill + life loss, just need to put zombies in

You could run Zombies as defensive blockers instead of attackers to get there. Still brewing
 
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