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[Familienoberhauptvogel]

That matchup seems basically unwinnable for zombies.

It is unwinnable. This variant of UR lines up much worse against them and it still wasn't even close.

Really not a fan of multiple maindeck pull from tomorrow if you're expecting a ton of RDW it's a terrible card draw spell

 

[Santiako]

It is unwinnable. This variant of UR lines up much worse against them and it still wasn't even close.

Really not a fan of multiple maindeck pull from tomorrow if you're expecting a ton of RDW it's a terrible card draw spell

It's Wafo-Tapa, if he could run 20 lands, 20 draw spells, 19 counters and 1 wincon he would.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Here's something I didn't consider before but it's such a fringe case I don't know if it's relevant but Bolas never dies to Hour of Devastation contrary to Chandra.

 

[Violet_0]

Here's something I didn't consider before but it's such a fringe case I don't know if it's relevant but Bolas never dies to Hour of Devastation contrary to Chandra.

duh, they specifically made Bolas immune to HoD

 

[Santiako]

I like the name Ramunap Red. Thumbs up for whoever came up with it.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

duh, they specifically made Bolas immune to HoD

sure it's deliberate but UR control runs at best 1 or 2 of each and you'd always want to HoD first.

MInusing lili there was so greedy.

 

[SigmasonicX]

Seth Manfield slowing down his deck so much was a huge mistake.

 

[Santiako]

Seth Manfield slowing down his deck so much was a huge mistake.

No, that's how you win against GB midrange with monored. It's hard to win with only the small creatures, even with the complete nut draw he had on game 1 his opponent was a turn away from getting back into the game. Falkenrath Noble for example is straight up trash against them.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

It gotta be a on the draw and play plan, go big on the draw quick on the play

 

[Repgnar]

Just got back from playing a warp draft at the LGS. Finally did good enough to place for a prize with 7th out of 26+. Opened a Nicol Bolas in the first sealed pack so was pretty set early on. Had solid early drops and removal that let me stay even enough until Bolas came out. Death touch rats, solid red removal, and black cartouches meant my rounds usually went close to time. Had a lot of fun, will catch up on pt tomorrow

 

[Santiako]

Seth must be so frustrated! Mana screwed at the worst time.

 

[SigmasonicX]

There's The Locust God!
EDIT: And there it goes!
EDIT: And it's back!

 

[Santiako]

Locust God such a beating if he resolves, goddamn. I didn't even realise that it had Flying.

EDIT: That was a great comeback!

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

didn't he have a wndow where he could have disallowed the locust god on death trigger?

 

[SigmasonicX]

That was a huge comeback!

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Souldn't HoFers be exempt from using their free invite if they are part of the team series? Sounds like an unfair advantage otherwise.

 

[Violet_0]

This has been the most honest piece of coverage wizards has ever put out since I've started watching.

I appreciate the laid-back and sometimes sarcastic or even cynic commentary. It's genuine and they don't take everything super seriously

RU control on the draw against RDW is just sad. On a seperate note, RUB Emerge should do pretty well against aggro

okay, the two leading decks are mono red. Dust off those lifelink cards, people. Damn, that finish

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

it appears people didn't find the deck to beat the deck to beat.

that's like the 3rd PT in a row this has happened with Marvel, Mardu Vehicles and now RDW.

Such a high conversion rate when there had to be so many mirrors is insane.

 

[Ashodin]

Looks like Ramunap Red basically ate up everyone else they came across. Neat

Also the format is really fucking wide

 

[Santiako]

Bomat Courier drawing seven cards haha, that card is so good.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I was hoping for split second to make a return in standard, I love me some sudden shock

Chandra would have been so good here, converting 6 or so dead cards and clocking for 6 when possible

 

[Santiako]

Maths class by Dr Hagon.

 

[Violet_0]

I should start making the cards on my side face the opponent too

 

[Imperfected]

I'd like Ramunap better if it cut the Chandras and went pure comedy pauper.

As it stands, I hope the Ramp, Zombies, and B/G decks chase it out of the Top 4.

 

[Santiako]

I'd like Ramunap better if it cut the Chandras and went pure comedy pauper.

As it stands, I hope the Ramp, Zombies, and B/G decks chase it out of the Top 4.

Chandras are just in the sideboard, I think Hazoret, Kari Zev and Khenra are the only rares/mythics in the maindeck. The deck is remarkably cheap (though it's getting more expensive by the hour).

EDIT: I forgot the Couriers and Gorgers. There's actually a ton of rares there, even if they are penny rares lol

 

[Violet_0]

not attacking with Kalitas was a terrible misplay, man. He had enough blockers

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Chandras are just in the sideboard, I think Hazoret, Kari Zev and Khenra are the only rares/mythics in the maindeck. The deck is remarkably cheap (though it's getting more expensive by the hour).

EDIT: I forgot the Couriers and Gorgers. There's actually a ton of rares there, even if they are penny rares lol

and the soul scar mages, the only creatures that aren't rares or above are village messenger and ahn crop crasher, the burn is all commons and uncommons though. Sometimes there's FTKs in the sideboard.

Every time I see Seth on camera he has insane draws.

 

[Santiako]

Hazoret gonna be quite expensive.

Everyone is going to be running 4 Chandra's Defeat in their sideboard now.

 

[Santiako]

What the hell at this Sam Black megapunt!?

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Hazoret gonna be quite expensive.

Everyone is going to be running 4 Chandra's Defeat in their sideboard now.

And people called her bad, too lazy to look it up but I ithink I wasn't among them. Chandra's Defeat was already great because it hits so many relevant threats across decks but it doesn't kill hazoret w/o a soul scar mage

 

[Santiako]

Top 8: 5 Ramunap Red, Zombies, GB Snake, RB Aggro.

Players:
1-PVDDR
2-Sam Pardee
3-Sam Black
4-Yam Wing Chun
5-Shintaro Kurata
6-Felix Leong
7-Yusuke Sasabe
8-Seth Manfield

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Aw man half my predictions already fell through also WTB UW

 

[Violet_0]

RB aggro will be more interesting with Fathom Fleet Captain in Ixalan

 

[Santiako]

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This is why WotC doesn't print good red burn spells any more, as soon as you get critical mass of decent red cards you get one of these decks

 

[GoutPatrol]

Having lands not be dead cards can really warp how the red decks play. Making a land drop or throwing it with Hazoret pushes through that last 4/5 damage you need.

 

[Violet_0]

this wouldn't have happened if Thragtusk was in standard

is RDW playing the deserts in modern too now?

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

do you mean 8-whack/gobins? that's the only RDW I know of in modern.

 

[Violet_0]

do you mean 8-whack/gobins? that's the only RDW I know of in modern.

right, burn isn't mono red atm

 

[El Topo]

The deserts really seem to provide that extra bit of push those decks needed. Nice.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

It typically takes very little for red decks (by that I mean aggro + reach) to break the tipping point and be the best decks in a format. Id wager that balancing red is one of the hardest things to do in R&D.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

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This is why WotC doesn't print good red burn spells any more, as soon as you get critical mass of decent red cards you get one of these decks

But this is how formats traditionally start? Red is always the deck on top, then the format coalesces around it. The first big tournaments in most standard formats are always the same variety of red.

 

[kirblar]

But this is how formats traditionally start? Red is always the deck on top, then the format coalesces around it. The first big tournaments in most standard formats are always the same variety of red.

No, this is a relatively new thing.

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

No, this is a relatively new thing.

What? This has been happening as long as I've been playing the game. The easy aggro deck comes out on top right at the start, and most of the time it's red. At least since RtR-Inn.

 

[SigmasonicX]

But this is how formats traditionally start? Red is always the deck on top, then the format coalesces around it. The first big tournaments in most standard formats are always the same variety of red.

That's conventional wisdom that hasn't actually consistently been the case for a while. That said, perhaps this is a sign that Standard is in a good place?

Would Thalia be a good card to bring in against it?

 

[kirblar]

What? This has been happening as long as I've been playing the game. The easy aggro deck comes out on top right at the start, and most of the time it's red. At least since RtR-Inn.

This didn't happen in RTR-Inn (I was at the literal first major constructed tournament for that when people were sleeping on Geist of St Traft and we just whalloped people w/ it.)

This is a relatively recent thing as of the past 4 years or so w/ mono-red and the fact that they keep giving it massive amounts of redundant tools. They're trying to cut back on burn, but now they give it a ton of cheap haste creatures and a ton of "can't block" effects stapled to critters and the ability to throw lands at the opponent and wind up w/ the same problem.

(mono red is very beatable btw, you just have to warp your deck to do it.)

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

Mono-Red Hellrider and Naya Blitz were very much top decks at the start of RtR-Inn.

 

[kirblar]

Mono-Red Hellrider and Naya Blitz were very much top decks at the start of RtR-Inn.

Naya blitz wasn't a thing until Gatecrash. (I was wrong earlier and thinking of Mirrodin-Innistrad, that's when Geist was insane and no one had figured it out.)

This was what was going on D1 w/ RTR - http://www.starcitygames.com/article/24994_The-New-Best-Decks-With-Return-To-Ravnica.html (SWAGTUSK EVERYWHERE)

 

[FreedomFrisbee]

Naya blitz wasn't a thing until Gatecrash.

Whoops I stand corrected.

 

[Tunoku]

Betting on red was correct, but I was off on Bolas. Kinda expected a couple of control decks to make it, didn't realize just how bad the matchup was for UR.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

The RB deck messed up my abrade bet. It was a lock if any non aggro deck made it in that wasn't red.
Not a single one did. That doesnt even touch upon all the white decks that underperformed, not a single thraben inspector made it in.