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Magic: the Gathering |OT8| Eldritch Moon - It's only a paper (and digital) moon
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I really want to attack with this Balefire Liege and everything else and then cast Mirrorweave.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
This would be a hilarious way to resolve the white Chandra debacle
I called that a long time ago haha
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
lol I just did it and won a game by casting Mirrorweave on an unblocked flier and then casting Mirrorweave on the Balefire Liege
Accumulated Knowledge was AMAZING with Intuition. Now I'm going to be sad if there'a no Intuition variant in this set...
Top kek
HAH how much? I just gave mine away over the winter
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm pretty sure the lack of efficient burn is related to the reason we don't have cheap white Wraths, 1 mana dorks, easy blue card draw or counterspells.
I think they're trying to play with design to make Standard decks not play similarly all the time, so they took out a lot of taken-for-granted things like Lightning Strike/Searing Spear and Elvish Mystic.
I think they're trying to play with design to make Standard decks not play similarly all the time, so they took out a lot of taken-for-granted things like Lightning Strike/Searing Spear and Elvish Mystic.
I like how I was like oh yeah the Burst cycle from odyssey was sweet
then they go and print a totally worse cycle
Blue and Red are never returning to their glory days, are they?
This is funny considering how every just plays the same thing right now (GW Tokens) haha
then they go and print a totally worse cycle
Blue and Red are never returning to their glory days, are they?
I just want my RW to have some good burn guyz
This is funny considering how every just plays the same thing right now (GW Tokens) haha
SigmasonicX
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On the subject of the old novels, this blog has overviews of many of them.
My statement was less about making a proclamation of what is the best "fair" blue draw spell (since "fair" will vary with context anyway) but just my opinion that this new take on Accumulated Knowledge is bad (it might still be playable but its about as interesting or exciting as moldy bread) and that Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time were fun cards in many contexts. DTT is no more "miserable" to play against than any good draw spell. Maybe I'm an odd one when I see my opponent play Fact of Fiction and my first reaction isn't to curse fate and question my life decisions but rather just recognize my win percentage for that game probably just dropped
Putting aside the fact that turn one Colossus is a rare event exclusive to power Cubes, the biggest appeal of the format is that the threats and answers are at their most efficient and you can play with and against interactions impossible in any other format. Not having an answer card in hand is no worse than having a card in hand but it costs too much mana or is too weak to actually effectively answer a situation. Not drawing your "out" is a normal part of Magic. When your "out" is too weak to actually be an out, that feels slightly to significantly worse. Not that those situations don't also come up in Cube of course but I don't find them as prevalent when your answers are in the 1-3 mana range rather than the 4+ mana range. If you're getting regular "comboed out" instead of turn oned, its your fault for not being faster or disruptive enough. It's not like that combo fell into your opponents hand - they had to work for it and their deck probably has poor matchups as a result. Lets also not forget part of the fun of a Cube is that you can "combo" someone out at all and if you or your playgroup aren't fans of combo archetypes, you don't have to support them either
At the end of the day, the important issue, as has been touched upon, is the balance of threat to answer. WOTC has fucked that up on more than one occasion and they are going to fuck that up again (they are humans). Throttle is just not a fun Magic card and never will be. In well designed Cubes this balance is achieved or something that can be striven for and you get to play with fun, exciting cards (be it for their power level or their theme or whatever). The highs are astronomically higher and most of the lows, that aren't just regular Magic issues like screw & flood, can be designed out of a Cube depending on the playgroup.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Lightning Strike will show up again. Honestly, I'd bet you Lightning Bolt shows up again at some point.
I think they just mean building a standard that isn't built around the colors constantly doing the same things. I think to some extent it's probably an experiment.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Yes it makes sense for Jace to be the protagonist within the perimeters WoTC themselves decided upon, whatever that does say. The narrative medium for Magic is always in flux. From books to Planeswalker's Guides to comics to books to comics to ebooks to magic stories, it seemingly changes every odd year.
Tamiyo before SOI was barely even a character, besides scholarly, and from a time they've since retconned a bunch of Planeswalkers. We didn't even know how her magic worked before her story in SOI. You're making her out to be a side character when they have written her as a side character in this story specifically.
I don't understand the last point, adventure doesn't negate horror, one is a genre the other can just as well be a setting.
Yes we do, we had both with Shadows over Innistrad, most of the ones dealing with Innistradians were about what's happening.
Say Tamiyo was the protagonist of the set and there were 3 stories for her.
Story 1: Sorin is concerned and seeks out Tamiyo. Nothing big has changed yet, people are just more violent or something
Story 2: Tamiyo on the behest of Sorin and her curiosity is investigating shit when she gets into a precarious situation from which she is saved by a passing Liliana. Strange disappearances, Angels eradicating vilagges, etc. etc.
Story 3: The payoff moment. All hell breaks loose
The stories only have to be loosely connected and they could still form a narrative to build a set around successfully.
Kind of feels like it, yeah.
Once Kaladesh rotates in and DTK/ORI rotate out, we'll be in some real fresh territory. The true 2/2/2 block rotation can begin.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
For what its worth, I really enjoy the wackiness of how hybrid mana works in Shadowmoor x3 and even SSE.
Feels like we're about due for another hybrid mana set since the last one was RTR. RTR certainly wasn't as wacky as Shadowmoor though.
Feels like we're about due for another hybrid mana set since the last one was RTR. RTR certainly wasn't as wacky as Shadowmoor though.
Yah, G/W is just overpowered in standard grrrrrrrrr.
And then they also printed Collected Company, Den Protector, Tireless Tracker and World Breaker to give green additional avenues to attack the format. Good troll.
The Technomancer
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I like Shadowmoor and Eventide a lot as sets. Just...there are a large number of cards in them that I think are cool
Once Kaladesh is in though GW Tokens getting REKT
We'll just have to agree to disagree,. Throttle was great in triple Khans where mana curves went higher and the buildup was slower. It's mediocre in Shadows where the curve is much tighter and all of the good blockers have 5 toughness.
I'd be more happy to do that if it weren't so oppressive.
Keru_Shiri
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I wouldn't go as far as to say I "question my life decisions" when my opponents play DTT (I only do that when someone drops an Iona in an EDH game) it's just obnoxious sitting through multiple DTT resolutions that typically result in an opponent nabbing 2 perfect answers, or an answer and another DTT, all off of a (typically) 2-mana instant. At least with Treasure Cruise they just draw at Sorcery speed, or in the case of FoF, the opponent gets to engage in the decision making.My statement was less about making a proclamation of what is the best "fair" blue draw spell (since "fair" will vary with context anyway) but just my opinion that this new take on Accumulated Knowledge is bad (it might still be playable but its about as interesting or exciting as moldy bread) and that Treasure Cruise and Dig Through Time were fun cards in many contexts. DTT is no more "miserable" to play against than any good draw spell. Maybe I'm an odd one when I see my opponent play Fact of Fiction and my first reaction isn't to curse fate and question my life decisions but rather just recognize my win percentage for that game probably just dropped
EDIT: All that said, it's fair to be underwhelmed by Take Inventory. I just think stuff like DTT is too much a swing in the other direction, power-wise.
I don't disagree that the card was better in Khans block. I'm just saying I never want to play the card in any format. I will if I have to but I never want to. Whereas I'll play all the Dead Weights in the world (though I obviously recognize that a removal suite of mono Dead Weights isn't going to beat say a Solitary Hunter.)
charlequin
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Ertai is actually my go-to example. Mirri dying is stupid but it's just the standard "kill someone so everyone knows SHIT GOT REAL" routine that every serialized drama does these days. Ertai on the other hand has a character arc about being less of a dick set up, goes off to do a vaguely heroic thing (open the portal), gets left behind, no one cares, and the narrative result is he becomes an insane monster. Like it's just so much worse than anything.
(It also sets the precedent that leads to Glissa the Traitor, which unless there's some kind of third-act redemption in Back to New Phyrexia is also really narratively stupid.)
Yeah, the story at the card level of this giant war is actually pretty neat and well-handled but the character-level story is just this parade of grinding misery. Hanna dies and Barrin goes insane; two good PWs die as part of Urza's Stupidest Plan Ever; every cool place in Dominaria gets destroyed; and so on and so forth. The ending is supposed to be a victory where Phyrexia is defeated and instead it makes the whole world so terrible we never have anything but Mad Max shit there ever again.
Brothers War and the Thran are the only two MTG novels that actually try to do what you'd want this type of tie-in storytelling to do (i.e. tell a decent fantasy potboiler story that builds interesting setting details that the game can leverage.) If they did story flashback sets these days both would be great settings for one -- The Thran as a cool artifact/colorless-matters set that could show off characters like Yawgmoth while they were still legend-able, and Brothers' War (third time's the charm!) could actually get into the details and supporting cast more than Antiquities and Urza's Saga did.
Yeah, agreed on both. We probably won't ever see the wackiness level of Shadowmoor again but I'd like to see a set use hybrid on more than a couple cards again.
SigmasonicX
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Part of the logic behind obviously weak removal is that players will actually pass on it, meaning the player who desperately needs removal is more likely to get it passed to them.
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I still like Odyssey story the most. Kamahl was just the greatest it's when the planeswalking comes in it all went to shit.
Mirrodin had way too much exposition the book basically was all about it. There's no way a Sylvan elf should be the one to uncover a well kept secret of the Vedalken
Mirrodin had way too much exposition the book basically was all about it. There's no way a Sylvan elf should be the one to uncover a well kept secret of the Vedalken
When I grew up, I played Green (and/or Red), whereas my brother played Blue/Black. You know how fun a T1 Hypnotic Specter is? Getting everything countered while your opponent keeps drawing cards? As far as I'm concerned, Blue hasn't suffered nearly enough. Joke aside, G/W is strong, but there's also Bant Company, no? It's not like this is some unprecedented dominance. It's annoying, but it happens often enough and it'll go away.
That said, obviously they've pushed Green quite a bit in recent years. It wouldn't hurt to see some more cards from Blue and Red pop up.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Speaking of which, l wonder what happened to the MTG movie
I'm in no way calling for DTT back into standard. I just don't subscribe to the "Color X had a super good card last season or a few seasons ago so FUCK THAT COLOR for months/years/forever!" mentality. I don't see stuff like nerfed Accumulated Knowledge and think "Good! Because DTT (or whatever) is a card that has existed, this color deserves shit cards!". I also don't think Red "deserves" to be without Lightning Strike just because Red Deck wins has been viable in most past recent seasons (it also says something bad about the color if it gets so severally kneecapped by the loss of one card/type of card though). You can "swing the pendulum" without removing all the good aspects or certain aspects of a color from Standard. At least that's how I feel.
You can solve that by moving the creme de la creme of removal options, like Doom Blade or Lightning Bolt, to uncommon. I just hate cards like Throttle or Reduce to Ashes or Sleep Paralysis. Stuff like Rabid Bite, Fiery Temper, Dead Weight and Angelic Purge are more near the premium side but you can still get enough of them in your average draft. I don't think there is an issue with getting removal in SOI in most drafts. I just, again, hate clunky as shit removal that makes you want to face palm when you're getting beatdown by good 2-4 drops and wastes your entire turn or you find yourself in a situation you just can't ever comeback from solely because you removal is too shitty.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Nope.
I want want to see hybrid a lot more often. I wish they'd switch up the draft-around uncommons up between gold, off-color and hybrid. I do realize that hybrid is harder to design for since it's closer to colorless than multicolor. Even then, they could use multiple activations like with the original Ravnica guildmages.
Supposedly, it's still in pre-production, but hasn't been cancelled outright.
SigmasonicX
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I believe MaRo last mentioned it a few months ago, but he says he can't give any details. That seems to imply they're still trying to get it made, though.
I still say it's going to be about high school nerd Jason Bell getting sucked into another dimension, where he meets people at lot like the ones at his school. Liliana resembles the cheerleader captain, who he has a crush on, Garruk resembles the jock that bullies him, etc. Jason eventually earns the name Jace Beleren and seduces all the ladies.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The chances of the MTG movie coming out is somewhere between Lightning Bolt in Eldritch Moon and abolishing the Reserved List.
Hasbro's a big company. If they're making their own cinematic universe, I'm sure they'll get the MTG movie made.
Hopefully, the MTG movie isn't part of the Hasbro cinematic universe (as funny as that would be).
Imperfected
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I guess I am suffering from a bit of Eldrazi Fatigue. I'm looking at SOI and EDM in isolation, and thinking: if BFZ hadn't happened, these could be my favorite sets in terms of narrative. I think, by themselves, they're doing everything right.
The problem is that with the BFZ block as a lead-in it doesn't follow good horror rules anymore. There's not much mystery, and there's even less tension. Rather than, "Suddenly, Emrakul!" it's more like, "After hours waiting for its arrival at the venue due to flight delays, Emrakul!"
If they had just launched into this storyline cold after Theros or something it would have been much better for me.
The problem is that with the BFZ block as a lead-in it doesn't follow good horror rules anymore. There's not much mystery, and there's even less tension. Rather than, "Suddenly, Emrakul!" it's more like, "After hours waiting for its arrival at the venue due to flight delays, Emrakul!"
If they had just launched into this storyline cold after Theros or something it would have been much better for me.
SigmasonicX
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This is one place where Magic's use of environmental villains comes back to bite it. Presenting the Eldrazi or Phyrexians in a way close to how they are in the cards would require a lot of CGI. Even beyond that, you have the different settings and creatures, all of which are expensive to portray. Compare to Lord of the Rings, which does have many expensive sets, but also the outdoors scenes could just be done in New Zealand and you could just build castles and such for people to walk around in.
"God's Beard!"
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I just love how the set symbol doesn't fuck around
Like everyone's response to the reveal:
"It's Emrakul. yay."
Set Symbol: "it's emrakul"
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