charlequin
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is... there a reason you think one of Magic's two most valuable properties will be going somewhere
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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is... there a reason you think one of Magic's two most valuable properties will be going somewhere
SigmasonicX
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In the past, Magic would discarded planes left and right, so it's understandable that people would think they'd still do that.
Now, however, they've realized that if they want to return to popular planes, they should keep it in a state such that the next visit can have a similar setting to the first time. Innistrad is one of their most popular planes, so from a business perspective, there's no way they will actually destroy it.
Now, however, they've realized that if they want to return to popular planes, they should keep it in a state such that the next visit can have a similar setting to the first time. Innistrad is one of their most popular planes, so from a business perspective, there's no way they will actually destroy it.
What's the other one? Ravnica?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Jace Beleren obviously
I think Maro has an article up about this where the first thing they did when they decided to return to Innistrad was undoing whatever plot occurred in Avacyn Restored that made the plane less like stock Innistrad (e.g. the cursemute not working anymore, Vampires now crazy aggressive again).
Ravnica as a plane has so much going on that you can put basically any plot there you want (although they did retcon the entire "guilds dissolve" plot from Dissension to enable it).
Theros has lingering plot threads of Ajani as an Athiest Missionary rallying against the Gods + Elspeth in the underworld.
Tarkir has a lingering plot about the Clans vs. the Dragons (possibly some kind of Chrono Cross-esque revenge of the obliterated timeline or something)
Zendikar, I don't know; whether they left any plot there isn't really relevant since Ulamog probably exiled any remaining good will towards the place to the point nobody needs or wants to go back.
Mirrodin is still lost to the Phyrexians which is a built-in conflict.
Alara and Lorwyn's basic structure both got nuked from orbit through plot devices, but I suspect Lorwyn's could be un-done and so could Alara's.
Avacyn was popular too and they killed her. Eventually a plane has to go to give the Eldrazi threat some weight, so why not one where people might actually be sad and care about the stakes after?
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm guessing Zendikar was basically what you are saying, which is fine since I would think at this point Zendikar as a setting is less compelling than even Theros is (I like Theros's setting in full disclosure).
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Return to Tarkir with Suspend would be awesome. Isn't Lorwyn just day night cycle now?
Honest to god they should have let Zendikar die for this and many reasons. But if Avacyn is dead and she was warding the plane, what else are they setting up for?
I just wish they would have eaten Zendikar and gave Nahiri a reason to be pissed beyond what we already know. Then her firing back at Sorin with what's going on now would have made more sense and been justified somewhat. But Zendikar is safe and sound. Now her motivation just looks silly and haphazard and she kind of looks like an asshole who didn't do her research before committing plane-ending acts.
I totally get the argument that Innistrad is popular and it would be shortsighted to kill it, but the narrative is certainly signposted to heading this way. I can't imagine there will be another big battle on Innistrad like we saw in Battle and Oath, and especially not so soon. If they don't kill Innistrad, I'm genuinely curious to find out what they're up to.
I totally get the argument that Innistrad is popular and it would be shortsighted to kill it, but the narrative is certainly signposted to heading this way. I can't imagine there will be another big battle on Innistrad like we saw in Battle and Oath, and especially not so soon. If they don't kill Innistrad, I'm genuinely curious to find out what they're up to.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Zendikar lost swaths of frugal environmént and vast amounts of life was erased. Oran Rief is gone, Nahiri destroyed a Mansion.
It's a shame if they reduce her to "she's gone mad!" because the motivation could have been relateable and somewhat understandable. But they definitely do seem to be on the less interesting path with her.
Where do you end a story like this though? I guess it depends on what story you're telling. If you want to tell a big, overarching epic, then sometimes you need to lose something of value for other things to have worth. For the events to hold some weight. If we're just focused on Innistrad, then sure, maybe you don't do that. But I think as a whole for Magic, it would do them some good to permanently fuck something up that people love for good.
It really comes back to Zendikar and how it shouldn't have lived haha
So they can basically start fresh in some aspects when they return to the plane for ZendIIIkar. As for Nahiri, she's not the real threat in the end, who cares that she destroyed a mansion. Emrakul is coming and she's making it happen. And Emrakul has the potential to end the plane.
I don't get the (guessing) anime reference.
And if they want to do that, and make Innistrad a true plane of horror, I'm hip to that. That's a cool way to keep it around and not just eliminate Emrakul in some horribly contrived way, while still being able to bring her out of the freezer at a later date for some light world snacking.
Eldritch Horror on the moon warping everything is the plot of Soul Eater.
Silver Moon = Mega Helvault.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Is it back up again? They were having some issues that pushed it from last weekend
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's just running beta booster sealed events, which are kind of a waste of time. It's like 50% completely random cards/50% of whatever just came out for testing purposes.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
More like Jace shows up and uses his MIND POWERS to convince her about what happened and Jace is hailed as the Hero of Innistrad and Zendikar and Ravnica.
Like Oath of the Gatewatch?
If they go this route, my prediction is that Jace informs her of the events in last block, and she agrees to help contain Emrakul. Maybe Tamiyo helps heal her madness with a scroll or some dumb crap.
"God's Beard!"
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Jace - "If you help us with the eldrazi, I'll wipe the part of Nahiri's brain that hates you"
Sorin - "..." *Warps the moon into a big eldrazi helvault, all of Innistrad floods due to the new tidal forces*
Sorin - "..." *Warps the moon into a big eldrazi helvault, all of Innistrad floods due to the new tidal forces*
TheBlackMarvel
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Regardless of how they deal with whatever's
coming, isn't the bigger problem that Innistrad is essentially fucked no matter what they do? Avacyn was gone for what, a year last time? And the humans were screwed. Now she's gone permanently.
Emrakul
The Technomancer
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Far too elaborate theory time: Emrakul goes intoh the moon, and the evil of Innistrad goes into phase with it, you only have to worry about werewolves and vampires at peak power for like one week out of the month
Basically every full moon week of the month is like The Purge?
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
TheBlackMarvel
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Eh, that's way less asspullish then whatever they'll come up with tbh.
SigmasonicX
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I expect that some ritual will make Sigarda or one of the other angels the new protector of the plane.
Plus, there's still the Chekhov's Gun of the black aligned Powerpuff Girls sister that Avacyn killed a long time ago.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Gisela better be mono red and great in EDH.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
There's only a single legendary mono red angel and she's colourshifted. It's high time especially after the POS that's Goldnight Castigator.
Gisela might go full red tho, you're right.
TheBlackMarvel
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Anything but that. That's probably the biggest asspull of all, what with how they've reiterated that Sorin can't repeat whatever he did to create Avacyn in the first place.
Well he can't CREATE one, but he could empower one.
TheBlackMarvel
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Doubt it, besides, empowering an Angel he doesn't control seems like a quick way to have the vampires exterminated.
charlequin
Banned
They've had to learn this lesson a couple times. With Mirrodin and Ravnica they treated the settings like they used to treat mechanics -- break all the toys at the end, and in both cases they needed really ugly retcons to make the settings workable again. With Innistrad it was much easier to come up with an excuse that could happen "on screen" but it was still a mistake to leave the plane in happy territory in the first place.
Characters have effectively zero marketing value to WotC, maybe people like one of them or whatever but they don't affect buying patterns. Innistrad and Ravnica are directly worth significant amounts of money because people will buy a lot more of a set that's based on either plane.
A few options, from most to least tragic: Nahiri dies and some major part of Innistrad (a city or whatever) gets fucked up; Nahiri and Emrakul are imprisoned in the moon together; Sorin dies and Gisela becomes the new protector angel.
Not sure how this is an asspull at all. He was a pre-mending walker then, he's a post-mending walker now.
Giant Panda
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Turns out Emrakul is a nice gal/horror that was simply misunderstood. Offers to take Avaycn's place and exiles vamps/wolves/monsters to stay fed and keep plane in balance. This is after Have finds a way to read her mind of course.
She's better than Lightning Hounds and Lightning Hounds was already playable in 1v1 EDH!
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
no one cares about 1v1 EDH!
Anecdotal evidence: overheard at an LGS someone saying "I want to buy only the packs with Avacyn on it"
Good luck paying 100+ for Mana Crypt. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
shrapnelmagnet
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MTGGoldfish's data must be reading from very specific sources, sorta like how their EMA box EV article was using SCG as a baseline.
For example: Ashnod's Altar sitting at $80 lol
http://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Eternal+Masters/Ashnods+Altar#paper
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I had planned completing my Scion EDH deck but decided against it with EMA on the horizon, for once I'm prepared.
Bought a set of unglued lands, an italian SOI Jace and media insert Pia and Kiran though
"God's Beard!"
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4C Cascade Hondens probably isn't a real archetype
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