Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm just opening product and then feeling sad about my damn luck
and money
and money
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I want basically all the tutors but natural order. Gamble, Enlightened Tutor, Vampiric Tutor and Mystical Tutor for EDH purposes. Other than that Dack Fayden though I'd prefer a Conspiracy version for the better set symbol.
I bought the FTV 20 so I got the Jace covered. Mana Crypt and Force are a bit much but might have to bite at least on the force. A sylvan library, vindicate, maze of ith and a wasteland to close things off.
I bought the FTV 20 so I got the Jace covered. Mana Crypt and Force are a bit much but might have to bite at least on the force. A sylvan library, vindicate, maze of ith and a wasteland to close things off.
So buy now. Ok
Edit:
Where are you guys seeing $70 Mana Crypts?? Lowest I'm finding is $100
"God's Beard!"
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KTK is the best overall limited environment when considering both draft and sealed confirmed.
Vintage Cube is life.
Hehe same.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm just annoyed with the "every color pair has a special draft strategy" thing they keep doing. Not every set is actually as good as MM1.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Shaman of the pack definitely counts as BG being elves, there's like 2 more.
divisionbyzorro
Member
Why am I still arguing with this guy on Reddit?
Someone talk me down from making an infographic.
Someone talk me down from making an infographic.
I always just stay logged out of reddit. That way when I'm about to argue with someone I realize I have to log in and my laziness wins.
Not exactly $70 but tcgplayer has some between 80 and 90.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
No, that's a thing they do in regular sets now, Sam Stoddard was talking about it a while back.
Yup. It's so bad - you should be doing 5 main themes and 5 "off" themes, not 10 equal themes, in most sets anyway.
You should never argue with people on Reddit and you should certainly not put effort into it.
Just lost a match with Infect in Legacy Gauntlet because I had lethal with Become Immense and Invigorate in hand vs tapped out opponent with no cards. I have to Wasteland my Tropical Island to have enough cards for Delve, but forget that I need to have a Forest in play for Invigorate to work, so I end up killing myself 
Magic is hard
Magic is hard
Giant Panda
Member
#firstplaneproblemsJust lost a match with Infect in Legacy Gauntlet because I had lethal with Become Immense and Invigorate in hand vs tapped out opponent with no cards. I have to Wasteland my Tropical Island to have enough cards for Delve, but forget that I need to have a Forest in play for Invigorate to work, so I end up killing myself
Magic is hard
"God's Beard!"
Member
Welcome to Legacy, baby
charlequin
Banned
Yeah, EMA worked out fine for everyone who managed to preorder at normal prices (at least assuming they wait it out to sell the pulls that'll be going back up at optimal price.)
I really think they should be selling these things at $7 MSRP. At that price EMA would've been a blowout and people would feel much less bad about the whiff cards.
I think this is one of those things where R&D overlearned the lesson and are going to eventually settle back into the right zone. The thing is that seeding explicit strategies for draft into a set is actually a great idea and a huge improvement over how they did things before -- ROE pointed the way to this and ISD did an exceptional job proving it could work. (And MM was probably the single-best followup on the idea.) The problem is that when you put yourself in the pattern of doing this you distort a lot of the set to make it work -- you wind up cooking up unnecessarily complex "strategies" to bake into the colors and then you get the same types of problems we used to have in constructed-oriented themes, where things are simultaneously overdesigned and underbalanced.
I think instead what you really want to do is pick a few color combos -- singles, pairs, maybe a triple -- that have natural synergy with your set mechanics and actively seed them with these types of archetypes, splitting between the different combo types just so it's not as obvious and rote how the archetypes divide up. Then you look at the remaining color pairs and make sure each one either supports a traditional archetype (UW skies, UR spells, WR tokens, etc.) or covers one of the monocolor archetypes and the other color can support it. Or you can fully support exactly five pairs and leave the other ones with mini strategies like kirblar mentioned.
I haven't gotten a chance to draft SOI myself, but it sounds like maybe it's a step in the right direction?
That's more or less what SOI does, but it also still has the two-color archetypes on top of that. Investigate is in Bant, Madness is in Grixis and Delirium is in Abzan. What makes it work is that Madness and Delirium are both "B" mechanics that can share "A" cards in the form of discard outlets. Investigate also helps to offset any card disadvantage that comes from discarding and sacrificing. It gives you the signposts of the archetype decks with enough flexibility to ignore them, even when you're in those colors.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This uncommon multicolour is so weird and as far as I can tell doesn't support any particular archetype and is actively bad in drafting.
The others in the cycle are mostly hits but skulk is the UB mechanic in SOI, the only white card that mentions it is Odric.
The others in the cycle are mostly hits but skulk is the UB mechanic in SOI, the only white card that mentions it is Odric.
"God's Beard!"
Member
SOI is really similar to ROE and INN draft. The archetypes are solid and diverse, but you don't get fucked over by not totally following a pre set lane. The unusual mechanics of madness and delirium combined with the potential for both creature-heavy and entirely creatureless decks make the drafts feel fresh consistently.
That said, you tend to know what you're looking for pretty early and some of the cards are so specific that only 1-2 drafters at the table will be looking for them(crawling sensation, pieces of the puzzle, etc) which is a little hand-holdy for my tastes even if it means drafts rarely go off the rails. It's a huge improvement over MM2 which was very similar(although I'd argue BFZ was trying harder to be MM2 and ultimately failed) which had solid and diverse archetypes but would punish you relentlessly for not finding your lane.
KTK is my favorite because it was so free form and the power level was so flat. Everybody had different approaches to the format and they basically all worked. Instead of yelling at you "hey try this thing!" it just kind of nudged you along and let you feel like you were experimenting. The introduction of Prowess was also a pretty big deal.
You're supposed to draft this with the zombie/spirit token cards then attack, they can't block then you pump your team. Generally I find that BW isn't super aggressive but I rarely wind up down that path anyway.
That said, you tend to know what you're looking for pretty early and some of the cards are so specific that only 1-2 drafters at the table will be looking for them(crawling sensation, pieces of the puzzle, etc) which is a little hand-holdy for my tastes even if it means drafts rarely go off the rails. It's a huge improvement over MM2 which was very similar(although I'd argue BFZ was trying harder to be MM2 and ultimately failed) which had solid and diverse archetypes but would punish you relentlessly for not finding your lane.
KTK is my favorite because it was so free form and the power level was so flat. Everybody had different approaches to the format and they basically all worked. Instead of yelling at you "hey try this thing!" it just kind of nudged you along and let you feel like you were experimenting. The introduction of Prowess was also a pretty big deal.
You're supposed to draft this with the zombie/spirit token cards then attack, they can't block then you pump your team. Generally I find that BW isn't super aggressive but I rarely wind up down that path anyway.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";206285741]You're supposed to draft this with the zombie/spirit token cards then attack, they can't block then you pump your team. Generally I find that BW isn't super aggressive but I rarely wind up down that path anyway.[/QUOTE]
Spirit tokens already have flying. Haven't seen anyone go BW once. Especially since Dauntless Cathar and Nearheath Chaplain are gone instantly and slot into GW humans WR aggressive way better anyway. You're just not supposed to draft that card.
Spirit tokens already have flying. Haven't seen anyone go BW once. Especially since Dauntless Cathar and Nearheath Chaplain are gone instantly and slot into GW humans WR aggressive way better anyway. You're just not supposed to draft that card.
A Serious Man
Member
Some dude on MTGO got tilted over counter spells while playing a deck designed entirely around discard and bad land destruction. He had pretty much every red, black and colorless feel bad card in standard. Countering his Grip of Desolation that he sacked Mirrorpool to copy sent him over the edge and I got to hear about how bullshit U/R Eldrazi Control is. Speaking of which, I'm really enjoying the deck although every time I play it I wish Ugin was still legal.
So I learned my lesson about cracking packs. Bought 5 Eternal Masters boosters on a whim at MSRP. Best I could pull was a Shardless Agent and foil Swords to Plowshares. Nothing else really notable. Foil Sulfuric Vortex, eight and a half tails, relic of progenitus..all good cards but not really exciting me for the price tag.
Definitely have buyer's remorse. Guess it really is best just to buy the singles you need.
Definitely have buyer's remorse. Guess it really is best just to buy the singles you need.
A Serious Man
Member
I say this every single time a new set comes out.
Infinite Stars
Member
Nothing like playing against a Prison Deck in Modern and he ends up wrathing the board, only for him to realize that his Enchantments turned creatures through Starfield of Nyx get wrathed as well, while you get back 2 Finks,2 Thalia's Pony, and 1 Arbiter because he had exiled them.
I felt bad for the guy, but I had to go "Congrats, you just played yourself.
I felt bad for the guy, but I had to go "Congrats, you just played yourself.
BW is supposed to be a tokens/sacrifice deck. Behind the scenes is supposed to help you get through, but in practice it's just not useful.
BW is actually fine; I've won drafts with it plenty of times. In my experience, though, you rarely end up going the token route, unless you happen to pull a westvale abbey. More often than not, you end up in WB humans, which has less synergy than GW, but much better removal and a generally better late game.
Went to the midnight draft at my LGS. First pack got GSZ so took it and was leaning towards BG Elves, the only archetype I knew was going to be good going in. Didn't get a shaman but did get an imperious perfect and 7 other decent elves. Got a lot of good BG cards though and ended up mostly steamrolling the 3 rounds we played. Someone pulled a Crypt but I don't think they ever got it out early for some truly busted draws.
Format doesn't seem all that good despite all the rarity tweaks I kept hearing about for balancing reasons.
Did get to see someone open one of those crazy value boxes with Karakas, Crypt, and Jace.
There's plenty of people at my shop who are going to buy packs anyways so for new premium sets like this I just ask them to cover my draft fee in exchange for all cards I pull and prizes I win.
Format doesn't seem all that good despite all the rarity tweaks I kept hearing about for balancing reasons.
Did get to see someone open one of those crazy value boxes with Karakas, Crypt, and Jace.
There's plenty of people at my shop who are going to buy packs anyways so for new premium sets like this I just ask them to cover my draft fee in exchange for all cards I pull and prizes I win.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I think 30, then a slow tick up to around 40.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
He's at half at what I paid for it a couple months ago, no idea if it'll ever go up again but I do think he has a place in modern as a 1 of.
It's just too much value if he lives a turn.
It's just too much value if he lives a turn.
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";206247035]
Vintage Cube is life.[/QUOTE]
Ended up taking like 40 minutes to get rolling, people kept leaving for EMA drafts. Why???
But my deck turned out great. Opponent locking down my Inferno Titan with Kiora? No problem, I'll put Splinter Twin on it. Good times.
Vintage Cube is life.[/QUOTE]
Ended up taking like 40 minutes to get rolling, people kept leaving for EMA drafts. Why???
But my deck turned out great. Opponent locking down my Inferno Titan with Kiora? No problem, I'll put Splinter Twin on it. Good times.
GregLombardi
Member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0TY8sOe1g pretty damn good booster box opening in terms of value
GregLombardi
Member
okay ive watched like 7 booster box openings now and haven't seen one force of will open lol; obviously anecdotal
"God's Beard!"
Member
Maybe they're just trying to learn the format so they can spike some release drafts before everyone quits out of boredom.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
What I really dislike are mythic boardwipes.
I knew to play around Planar Outburst heck if I don't get blown out by Descend Upon the Fishermen.
"God's Beard!"
Member
Man, I didn't know that cockatrice had scheduled tournaments with results feeding into invitationals with cash prizes etc.
Just won some modern grinder thing with rainbow bogles. Sat there for like 20 turns against Lantern Control so I could double natural state his ensnaring bridges and one-shot him before they could come back with academy ruins.
Just won some modern grinder thing with rainbow bogles. Sat there for like 20 turns against Lantern Control so I could double natural state his ensnaring bridges and one-shot him before they could come back with academy ruins.
SigmasonicX
Member
I hadn't considered the idea that bomb rares make players in Limited be more careful about using their removal, It's also interesting to learn that they specifically make bomb rares appear in 1/3 packs.
Also, ooo, a new Skeletons in R&D's Closest next week. For those unfamiliar, it's a series of articles where they look at cards that turned out to be broken and see what the internal comments on them are. Well, usually it's the same, "Testing at one less mana, seems alright," type comment, but they're still fun to see.
A Serious Man
Member
Bought three packs for no real reason. Pulled Sylvan Library, Gamble, and a few good uncommons. I can't complain.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Seth opened foil Karakas in the first pack of their unboxing.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Already ordered a Dack Fayden, probably too soon but I had to bite.
Also cheap 1/1 elemental tokens, feelsgoodman
Also cheap 1/1 elemental tokens, feelsgoodman
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