Yeah he needs delerium to be fair but he doesn't really need it til late game so should be fine.
And for 2 mana? Hell yeah.
Tricky part is when to take him in a pack and not some great uncommon.
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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Yeah he needs delerium to be fair but he doesn't really need it til late game so should be fine.
And for 2 mana? Hell yeah.
Tricky part is when to take him in a pack and not some great uncommon.
Midrange is basically synonymous with control nowadays.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Nah. Control decks remain quite distinct. Their power, like everything else, waxes and wanes. We're not that far removed from UW Sphinx control being the big, bad boogeyman of standard.
I feel like UW or UWB could be on the rebound in this standard. We'll see.
Maybe it looks better closer up but the art on this isn't up to snuff for a walker. Next to Nahiri or Arlinn it looks real rough. It makes me think of a Conan the Barbarian cover pose with some different armor slapped on.
GregLombardi
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What the f this card seems insane...+1 too stronk
This may well be the new control finisher of choice with Ugin rotating out. Too bad the art is horrendous.
U/W/x decks in the past year have pretty much been midrange decks. No deck can actually durdle with the kind of persistent threats and lack of good permission nowadays. The only deck that came close to a true control deck was Reid Duke's Esper shell with two Ugins and random Awaken cards as win conditions.
Sorin had bad art in the last trip to Innnistrad as well. Remember?
Just par for the course.
That art isn't great, but it is miles better than the new one. LoI at least looks like he's in the place on the card. New one looks like a sticker on top of a random background. And a poorly detailed sticker at that.
They've existed but they haven't been a force, or even good. I feel like that's going to change.
ShadowSoldier89
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absolutely hate what they are doing with the story, but there are some badass cards in this set
Of course they taint that with a rare 2 drop shitty mana dork, but w/e, Sorin is awesome
Of course they taint that with a rare 2 drop shitty mana dork, but w/e, Sorin is awesome
They made the most boring ritual possible- one that is literally impossible for it to be broken in Modern
Is this just garbage in limited? I get delerium. But I don't think I even want delerium in red. And ramping seems silly.in red to me in limited.
I don't find the sorin art as horrible as you guys make it out to be. In a foil I bet it looks pretty cool
Joe Molotov
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This is it! All the cryptoliths point here!
This may well be the new control finisher of choice with Ugin rotating out. Too bad the art is horrendous.
Christ, that's terrible. Deschamps' work is usually much better than this, not sure what happened here. The card itself doesn't seem all that bad.
Let's put this another way. Sorin's +1 is not too far off from a cantrip Lightning Bolt. That card exists -- it's Ember Shot -- and it's 6R. But Sorin's +1 only hits players and it's a sorcery, so cut it down to like 2R. (Also Ember Shot is probably terrible.) Sorin's ability is also unpreventable, but forget that for now.
Sorin's a 6 mana spell that gives you a free 3 mana spell the turn you cast it, and again every turn thereafter as part of your idle pattern (that is, you don't spend resources to get that 3 mana spell, you actually gain resources).
That's also underestimating the power, because the cost of a cantrip Lightning Bolt is actually 1 card plus mana, so the card advantage generated is 0, and the pricing of card draw is relative to card advantage rather than raw cards drawn. Sorin gives equal cards the moment you play him -- he is a cantrip -- and also gives you a card every turn after that, for card advantage equal to the number of turns he's in play. So another model for Sorin is that he's a cantrip Archivist that occasionally also does a ton of damage.
However, on the downside, I agree that the art is terrible.
Sorin's a 6 mana spell that gives you a free 3 mana spell the turn you cast it, and again every turn thereafter as part of your idle pattern (that is, you don't spend resources to get that 3 mana spell, you actually gain resources).
That's also underestimating the power, because the cost of a cantrip Lightning Bolt is actually 1 card plus mana, so the card advantage generated is 0, and the pricing of card draw is relative to card advantage rather than raw cards drawn. Sorin gives equal cards the moment you play him -- he is a cantrip -- and also gives you a card every turn after that, for card advantage equal to the number of turns he's in play. So another model for Sorin is that he's a cantrip Archivist that occasionally also does a ton of damage.
However, on the downside, I agree that the art is terrible.
"God's Beard!"
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KARLA!!We are in the "Wizards is still trying to figure out how to make mana creatures correctly" era of Magic.
Also, this shouldn't be a goddamn rare.
Also, I've met the guy in this card art
"God's Beard!"
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Ive actally lost interest in BWx at this point. There's probably a decent Mardu superfriends deck, but it's not doing anything interesting right now.
The new dark depths is awesome though.
SigmasonicX
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Interesting design, though I'm surprised they didn't go for a Markov Manor card after all.
Translation from Reddit:
Abbaye du Val d'orient (Abbey of Eastern Vale ?)
Land
T : Add C to your mana pool
5, T, pay one life : put a 1/1 white and black human cleric token on the battlefield
5, T , sacrifice five creatures : transform and untap ~~
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Ormendahl, prince des profanes (Ormendhal, prince of profaners ?)
Legendary Creature - Demon
Flying, Haste, Lifelink, Indestructible
9/7
It's true that most of the power is on the delirium side, but I think there's some use to the basic land searching too. You won't use it often, but it's nice to have during times you're low on land.
Depending entirely on how easily delirium can be utilized, this is either terrible or amazing.
This is interesting, though I'm not sure where you'd use it in a combo other than Dust Bowl. Of course, it is good in self-milling decks.
Sweeet
This is really good, even if you're just exposing a 2-mana card instead of Ulamog every turn.
This may well be the new control finisher of choice with Ugin rotating out. Too bad the art is horrendous.
It's probably a rare for Limited reasons. A mana dork that's actually helpful in the late game could be something they don't want many players to have.We are in the "Wizards is still trying to figure out how to make mana creatures correctly" era of Magic.
Also, this shouldn't be a goddamn rare.
Glad to see that rituals really are still in red's wheelhouse. This is a way to make a decent one that doesn't help storm that I hadn't considered. It seems like it could be good, due to the lower opportunity cost compared to other rituals. If you have one out on turn 3, that's 5 mana, and if you have two out on turn 4, that's 8 mana.
They made the most boring ritual possible- one that is literally impossible for it to be broken in Modern
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm not terribly impressed either. I don't think he helps as much as people are imagining when you are behind, which is what 6 mana Planeswalkers need to do.
With painful Truths and that new black white vindicate I can imagine the lifegain is very relevant.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Sorin doesn't seem very good to me. I don't get it...do people just bust a nut over every PW?
I mean, he's technically harder to cast than Elspeth or Chandra and worse than either one because he doesn't really bring you back when you are losing. I don't know. I'm reminded a lot of Garruk, Apex Predator. I just think he's too expensive for what he does. I just feel like the situation he is good in is the same situation that Linvala is good in and Linvala doesn't do anything in constructed.
I mean, he's technically harder to cast than Elspeth or Chandra and worse than either one because he doesn't really bring you back when you are losing. I don't know. I'm reminded a lot of Garruk, Apex Predator. I just think he's too expensive for what he does. I just feel like the situation he is good in is the same situation that Linvala is good in and Linvala doesn't do anything in constructed.
I don't think you're wrong.
Everyone was trashing Jace yesterday. So no, not EVERY planeswalker. Just most of them.
I figure you just run both since they can get a threat in the late game.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I just don't think his potential to affect the board is significant enough for 6 mana.
Jace is getting trashed cause it's a lazy Ob Nixilis re-do. Card is fine.
Jace is good. Just boring as hell.
"God's Beard!"
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Jace and Sorin are both total wastes of the flavor of Innistrad.
A Serious Man
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I mean, he drew two World Breakers, a Chandra and an Ugin but whatevs.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I'm not too impressed with Sorin at 6CMC. Go wide strategies will just destroy him.
With CoCo and Atarka's command still in rotation that's gonna be many decks.
With CoCo and Atarka's command still in rotation that's gonna be many decks.
TheBlackMarvel
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This will never not be true.
divisionbyzorro
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"You Play To Win The Game" - Ross Merriam takes on the issue of collusion, bribery, and concessions:
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32592_You-Play-To-Win-The-Game.html
http://www.starcitygames.com/article/32592_You-Play-To-Win-The-Game.html
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
e.g. "fuck Eric Froelich" I think its simply hilarious that Ross says that when he asked, the vast majority of pros thought it was fine (for obvious reasons - it gives them a straight up advantage over players not in the "club").
You would think the allegation that pro magic is basically rigged would merit a bigger response, but then again, I wouldn't be surprised if the average pro made less money than the average casual tryhard.
I thought Efro's article was gross, but I also don't think this is bribery:
It's just valuing stuff differently because one person wants an invite and one person wants a booster box. Like, if players split and one gets the invite the other person definitely should get more of the other prizes.
It's just valuing stuff differently because one person wants an invite and one person wants a booster box. Like, if players split and one gets the invite the other person definitely should get more of the other prizes.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Do it yourself next time
ETB with a +1/+1 for every Zombie in your GY, whenever you cast a zombie spell you get a 2/2 zombie token.
Don't agree with the name translation
ETB with a +1/+1 for every Zombie in your GY, whenever you cast a zombie spell you get a 2/2 zombie token.
Don't agree with the name translation
You definitely cannot ask them to concede to you for a bigger portion of the prize. That's exactly bribery. Ross said the problem is that people are rephrasing the question to not talk about some redistribution of prizes since it's expected for the person conceding to get extra compensation.
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