WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";200502400]horror sets will do that.[/QUOTE]
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Magic: the Gathering - Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
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"God's Beard!"
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My favorite thing in this format is using Dead Weight on a face down Stratus Dancer.
Yeah, all the playtest articles are saying Vamps is currently just not there yet.
The grave-to-hand skeleton puts in work with any sort of repeatable discard - I got SO many 1/1 Lifelink Vampires by constantly recycling it through that one enchantment. A real gem for limited.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I tend to agree, but trusting playtest articles at the head of new standards is bad news. The pros figured out their tech. They just won't share until they have to. In fact, I'm done a pretty good job staying ahead of the buying curve by figuring out what the CFB guys are writing about and buying into the opposite.
This is coming from people who aren't on the PT - if there's a way to make it work, it's not obvious.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Fair enough. I'm not seeing anything great either. I still bought into Olivia because I'm pretty confident the next set will have decent support. Vamps were strong, but zombies were just better the first time around. WotC likes to flip stuff like that. But I actually expect a bigger push in spirits in EDM, simply because they felt it was the tribe they fucked up with in Innistrad. Even still, vamps are right on the edge.
Giant Panda
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From my surface level testing, zombies and vampires are almost there, werewolves need a decent amount of help, spirits need a lot of help, and human decks are already good, but they barely have any tribal elements.
Imperfected
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Uninvited Geist with Inauguration of President Taft makes for a pretty solid clock in Limited.
"God's Beard!"
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eldrazi best tribe
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Okay I have drafted a deck that's more a synergy win than actually effective but why do I have to go up against a player getting. Westvale abbey, Sin Prodder and Dance With the Devils. I won game 2 but game 1 my opponent plays dance with the devils with a Westvale Abbey already out and game 3 he revealed dance with the devil with Sin Prodder.
That's just mean. If I had been a bit braver I could have drafted a mill deck.
That's just mean. If I had been a bit braver I could have drafted a mill deck.
use them with spirits, then add black for removal or green for clue synergy
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The reason why is because the way Vampires are designed appears to push aggro strategies really hard, but in reality Madness and aggro play very poorly together. You have to gain card advanatage through Madness to make discard costs and effects *actually* worth playing, but the problem is that getting value from Madness requires a lot of mana and that is a very weird thing to do in a clearly aggressive deck.
The way Madness is currently implemented really wants something like Liliana of the Veil that lets you use Madness as full on card advantage. The reason Madness is good is that its virtual card advantage because you're "gaining" a card but people seem to be treating discard as a feature as opposed to actually losing cards.
I still suspect the secret strategy is just Always Watching into Ojutai because the combo is backbreaking and both cards are independnetly worth playing.
Like its a 2 card combo that just wins you the game 90% of the time because the only board wipe anyone plays is Languish and Languish doesn't kill Ojutai with Always Watching out.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Yeah my deck was just awful and I even passed a TItI for it. Blue was surprisingly overdrafted.
shrapnelmagnet
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EDIT: NEVER MIND IT'S STANDARD (SCG Open).
Reading comprehension is a bonus, everyone.
Reading comprehension is a bonus, everyone.
shrapnelmagnet
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It's a bunch of 2 drops that are mostly above the line of constructed playable. You know you're playing a jank deck when you play a card that isn't actually good without a bunch of other stuff to enable it.
The version I'm on now is roughly this:
Deck: UW Always Ojutai
//Lands
6 Island
11 Plains
4 Port Town
4 Prairie Stream
//Spells
4 Always Watching
4 Declaration in Stone
1 Dispel
1 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
2 Silkwrap
//Creatures
2 Archangel Avacyn
4 Archangel of Tithes
4 Dragonlord Ojutai
3 Hidden Dragonslayer
4 Knight of the White Orchid
4 Reflector Mage
2 Stratus Dancer
//Sideboard
2 Dispel
3 Negate
3 Invasive Surgery
1 Descend Upon the Sinful
3 Surge of Righteousness
1 Silkwrap
2 Gideon, Ally of Zendikar
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Man, I love that you can build a winning limited deck with 5 or less creatures in the main this set.
Infinite Stars
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It's nice to actually see Standard decks on the web that aren't 4/5 colour good stuff
Also, completely late on this, but if you can get your Sigarda's cheap get them. Every thing I'm seeing is hyping her up as an alternative to Avacyn as a curve topper in Humans so I have a sneaking suspicion she's going to jump in price soon.
I also think that Sin Prodder is undervalued right now, though that depends upon how the format evolves. He's a Angry Bob in a format with less removal that while it gives the opponent a choice is still great.
Also, completely late on this, but if you can get your Sigarda's cheap get them. Every thing I'm seeing is hyping her up as an alternative to Avacyn as a curve topper in Humans so I have a sneaking suspicion she's going to jump in price soon.
I also think that Sin Prodder is undervalued right now, though that depends upon how the format evolves. He's a Angry Bob in a format with less removal that while it gives the opponent a choice is still great.
"God's Beard!"
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As it turns out, the Ever After combo control deck is pretty bad against Infinite Obliteration.
While all the good players at my FNM are still waiting for their cards, I just stomped Standard with B/W Pactfield. Played against R/G Landfall, U/B Zombies, G/W Enchantments, and U/R... Stuff. Didn't drop a single game all day, and most of them weren't even particularly close. Deck is fun as hell.
Got a list?
B/W Pactfield aka Creatureless Vampiric Rites
2 Dead Weight
2 Duress
1 Sinister Concoction
2 Vampiric Rites
1 Quarantine Field
3 Silkwrap
2 Transgress the Mind
2 Angelic Purge
1 Bound by Moonsilver
4 Stasis Snare
4 Demonic Pact
3 Languish
2 Ob Nixilis Reignited
1 Planar Outburst
4 Starfield of Nyx
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
4 Caves of Koilos
4 Forsaken Sanctuary
7 Plains
4 Shambling Vent
6 Swamp
2 Duress
2 Transgress the Mind
2 Vessel of Malignity
4 Blood-Cursed Knight
3 Infinite Obliteration
1 Virulent Plague
1 Sigil of the Empty Throne
Still needs a bit of tweaking (I definitely want at least another Quarantine Field). Once the Starfield engine is running, the deck feels invincible.
pelicansurf
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Went 3-0 in a random draft in toronto, 3 2-0s each with G/R Werewolves. It was absolutely bonkers. I had like 10 flip wolves, 5 uncommon ones (3 2 drop 3/3s, 2 fetch a dude 2/2s) the common ones were mostly red. Had the 3/2 that gives wolves indestructible, the werewolf damage removal spell, 2x +1/+1 wolf enchantments, and a bunch of other random wolves. Transforming equipment, it was pretty gross. Also had a westvale abbey that did nothing, it was great.
Turn 2 3/3, into them not doing anything on their turn 2, untap turn 3 with a 4/4 is ridiculous. Sometimes it even forces them to make bad plays in order for them to stall the transformation. So good.
Also the two players next to me were rare drafting, so full disclosure.
Turn 2 3/3, into them not doing anything on their turn 2, untap turn 3 with a 4/4 is ridiculous. Sometimes it even forces them to make bad plays in order for them to stall the transformation. So good.
Also the two players next to me were rare drafting, so full disclosure.
"God's Beard!"
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I played epiphany of the drownyard flipping 8 cards. Opponent tanks for about two minutes.
XXXX has left the game.
XXXX has left the game.
phazedplasma
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where is startled awake
You can grab some at 25-26 on TCGP/Ebay right now. I picked up 3 at 24-25 a week ago (stupidly thinking a card with THAT MUCH RULES TEXT would drop a bit from 20 anytime soon, lol)Avacyn is $35? Should have preordered when she was $20.
Wow this set is amazing to draft and fun as hell to play.
Got second and my buddy opened.sorin p1p1 and forced it and got first i n his pod.
Love this set so much.
I was wr. I had so many playables I could have went agro or controls I did a mix but had I known delirium was so easy to turn on in a well made deck I def would have just played more good stuff and won late game and ditched a few agro cards
Got second and my buddy opened.sorin p1p1 and forced it and got first i n his pod.
Love this set so much.
I was wr. I had so many playables I could have went agro or controls I did a mix but had I known delirium was so easy to turn on in a well made deck I def would have just played more good stuff and won late game and ditched a few agro cards
keeblerdrow
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3x Drana, Liberator of Malakir
3x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3x Erebos's Titan
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Realtiy Smasher
2x Ob Nixilis, Regnited
4x Read the Bones
4x Transgress The Mind
4x Grasp of Darkness
3x Languish
2x Ruinous Path
3x Blighted Fen
2x Mortuary Mire
4x Caves of Koilos
4x Llanowar Wastes
11x Swamp
Side:
3x Ultimate Price
2x Gilt-Leaf Winnower
2x Infinite Obliteration
2x Virulent Plague
2x Pitiless Horde
3x Self-Inflicted Wound
1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
This deck was a POWERHOUSE. The only games I dropped tonight were 2 where I kept 2 landers and never saw another land for the 8-10 turns of the game (a common occurrence for me) and one where I drew 5 lands, a Read, which then scry'd 2 lands to the bottom and drew 2 more. So major screw or flood. Outliers.
I'm thinking about adding white for Declaration in Stone, Sorin, and Gideon and I would have tonight but I lack the DiS and Sorins. I was very happy with this deck. It's basically a deck that runs them out of resources then wins on the back of 1 or 2 threats.
3x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3x Erebos's Titan
4x Thought-Knot Seer
4x Realtiy Smasher
2x Ob Nixilis, Regnited
4x Read the Bones
4x Transgress The Mind
4x Grasp of Darkness
3x Languish
2x Ruinous Path
3x Blighted Fen
2x Mortuary Mire
4x Caves of Koilos
4x Llanowar Wastes
11x Swamp
Side:
3x Ultimate Price
2x Gilt-Leaf Winnower
2x Infinite Obliteration
2x Virulent Plague
2x Pitiless Horde
3x Self-Inflicted Wound
1x Sidisi, Undead Vizier
This deck was a POWERHOUSE. The only games I dropped tonight were 2 where I kept 2 landers and never saw another land for the 8-10 turns of the game (a common occurrence for me) and one where I drew 5 lands, a Read, which then scry'd 2 lands to the bottom and drew 2 more. So major screw or flood. Outliers.
I'm thinking about adding white for Declaration in Stone, Sorin, and Gideon and I would have tonight but I lack the DiS and Sorins. I was very happy with this deck. It's basically a deck that runs them out of resources then wins on the back of 1 or 2 threats.
Pack 1, I opened Arlinn and Mindrack Demon. Decided to go for Arlinn since I didn't have any and I have multiple demons. She also seemed like the bigger limited bomb. Ended up building Jund Werewolves (BG, splashign Red) Didn't drop any games that counted. Had a big Timmy moment in the last round when I got to swing with a 12/11 Menace, First Strike, Vigilance, Haste Trampler twice for game.
Sinister Concoction is the truth. Being able to fuel madness, delirium and kill a creature all at the same time for one mana is incredibly useful. Just the threat of activation also makes the opponent avoid playing tricks, too.
Also, there was randomly next month's FNM promo (Sylvan Scrying) mixed in with this month's (Blighted Fen) in the promo pack, so that was cool.
Sinister Concoction is the truth. Being able to fuel madness, delirium and kill a creature all at the same time for one mana is incredibly useful. Just the threat of activation also makes the opponent avoid playing tricks, too.
Also, there was randomly next month's FNM promo (Sylvan Scrying) mixed in with this month's (Blighted Fen) in the promo pack, so that was cool.
divisionbyzorro
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I've been playing around with UW Humans (#kenjiwayfinder plus a sideboard). The cards in that deck are all so powerful. Always Watching is crazy good, and it makes Gossipmonger have basically no downside. Declaration in Stone is obviously the stones. And shockingly, Thraben Inspector has been an all-star. When you're running piles of anthems, the body is actually just fine, and the clues add up.
It's a crazy fun deck. It probably needs some tweaking, but I'm a huge fan.
It's a crazy fun deck. It probably needs some tweaking, but I'm a huge fan.
phazedplasma
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Got sixth at my shop for draft night in a 12 man pod.
Got sigarda, foil plain s and rattlechains from the rare draft.
Got sigarda, foil plain s and rattlechains from the rare draft.
I swear to god I just lost to the jankiest Boros deck in Legacy cube. In the final no less. Every time I draft Boros in cube I always get screwed to hell with mana, even when I only play a few white or red cards. And I didn't see Wurmcoil Engine in all three games. And I draw/mill Duress and Inquisition when I have Tasigur in play who's tapped down by Ajani. Also, first pack I cracked, Nicol Bolas PW actually did not wheel. What the fuck. Basically I'm salty as fuck.
divisionbyzorro
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Yesterday I drafted a UR Splinter Twin deck that also had JTMS and Opppsition alongside an all star cast of red token producers, with Helllite and Inferno Titan as standalone threats. I crushed the first two rounds, then stood by helplessly as I mulliganed and drew like shit in the finals. I have piles of tappers and Unsummon effects - I should never lose to Dark Depths, but I did that time. Cube is cruel.
Like, literally, I lose the first round if I draft Boros. Ajani is a trap!
Ah well, my deck wasn't amazing in any way. It's hilarious to see baby Jace eat removal though. Every single time. Even with zero cards in graveyard. Merfolk Looter has never been as fearsome in limited as Jace is now. Holy moly.
Ah well, my deck wasn't amazing in any way. It's hilarious to see baby Jace eat removal though. Every single time. Even with zero cards in graveyard. Merfolk Looter has never been as fearsome in limited as Jace is now. Holy moly.
divisionbyzorro
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The #kenjiwayfinder Brain in a Jar deck is hilarious. People get really salty when you cast Engulf the Shore on them after they've animated lands. :lol
Joe Molotov
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me = attacking with Reality Smasher
you = flashing in an avacyn to block
me = casting grasp of darkness
you =
you = flashing in an avacyn to block
me = casting grasp of darkness
you =
I'm back from China and I bought an English fat pack. I don't know it has been talked about already, but who packages these boosters? The sorting is all over the place, the token, foil, DFC, land and rares seem to jump places every booster. My first booster had the mythic before the uncommons, the DFC rare at the back and no common/uncommon DFC.
A Serious Man
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I'm down on Avacyn to be honest. Indestructible kinda sucks in this format (90% of the playable removal is either -4/-4 or exiles) and flipping her isn't as easy as you'd hope since she becomes the #1 target when she hits. She's a great card but not $35 great.
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