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[hermit7]

But Sorin was around when the Helvault was destroyed. Him leaving, despite knowing Nahiri was locked away in it makes no sense.

Maybe he didn't anticipate her living for all that time.

 

[OnPoint]

But Sorin was around when the Helvault was destroyed. Him leaving, despite knowing Nahiri was locked away in it makes no sense.

There's no confirmation he knew the Helvault was destroyed. In fact, he probably didn't. He fought Tibalt and then he learns Avacyn is back and he leaves. He isn't aware of the 'how' from what the summaries show.

 

[Ashodin]

Collecting predictions of the set from the previous OT and early pages of this thread:

Don't wanna pre buy her (ed. note: Archangel Avacyn) at 15 but also don't wanna pay more later.

Welp. Hope you got yours breh. GLHF at $50 per Angel. I just want ONE more for my deck imo.

I'd say there's a lot more room to make fair Madness cards than fair (as opposed to too good or too awful) Threshold cards. You definitely have more knobs to turn.

How right you were. Madness this time, while good, doesn't seem as obviously broken as fuck this time around. I'm glad Lightning Axe and Fiery Temper made it back tho. The best removal combo!

On Brain in a Jar

Oh good, the new Jar of Eyeballs. Glad we got that out of the way early.

yeah, definitely trying too hard

The charge counter even happens as part of the resolution of the ability, so you can't remove it with Power Conduit (or other things) in response to cast a 0 cost spell. Boooo, lol.

I like how everyone was trying to break the artifact with 0 mana spells instead of the currently discovered way to play very quickly two mana split fuse cards. Just what happens when pros get their eyes on the new shiny.

hopefully we'll get a Rootwalla reprint in SOI

Nope

I wonder if this means we'll get the black angel in the two-color angel cycle, too, or if it'll just be a two-color Avacyn haha

namequote

Emrakul 2.0, 20/20, no casting cost, can only be put into play by alternate means.

Interesting. I'm saving this one just in case you propheted the shit out of it. It would make sense with Nahiri's ultimate. But also a terrible card on its own. (Unless it has its own mechanic ala Westvale Abbey to summon)

TFW you learn something (very minor) from the MTGO beta and can't say anything.

What was it?

On Arlinn Kord

I bet you she's just straight GR. Werewolves are GR on Innistrad, it seems pretty simple to me.

DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER

After this we have a hilarious bout of posts where the timer went to ZERO for spoiler season and we got....

everything we already knew from spoilers. GG WOTC

Wow, Bygone Bishop seems beastly in Limited.

Indeed it was

I hope there's a card like:

True Detective (Mana Cost)
Sorcery
Investigate, investigate, investigate.

Almost! Confirm Suspicions is what you're looking for.

Man that black discard outlet, phew gimme a towel

Every prerelease I did (which was two!) I got 2x of Heir of Falkenrath. Shit was B A N A N A S

Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing
Shadows over Innistrad |OT| There's nothing to fear but madness itself
Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Blue's Clues
Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Hell Hath No Fury Like a Woman Scorned
Shadows over Innistrad |OT| Where Have All The Good Angels Gone?

Proud of my OT title skillz

Declaration in Stone is going to be a staple, no doubt about that.

A Serious Man with A Serious Prediction. Came true!

All the Planeswalkers' gear is garbage.

- Tamiyo's Journal
- Pyromancer's Goggles
- Godsend
- The Chain Veil

He he. Goggles actually saw play at SCG Baltimore!

On Archangel Avacyn's reveal

EDIT: SUCK IT Avacyn Nahiri TRUTHERS

Was there ever any doubt?

Probably constructed playable too right?

That card is ridiculous. I foresee that card causing nearly as many groans as Siege Rhino.

That new Avacyn is just so bonkers. I'm totally going to get a playset because it just seems absurd.

Good job breh

She is Serra Angel with flash and like 5 different different upsides she's busted

Stammering Grimace can't even comprehend how pushed she is

Most people predicted her preorder price to be $17 to $20

On Anguished Unmaking's art

Assuming it's all real and everything, that suggests that Tamiyo is both alive and still around, which leaves us with a challenge: which one of

Jace
Liliana
Sorin
Tamiyo
Arlinn
Nahiri

won't get a PW card?

I'd actually voice my opinion here and say every single one of them will get a planeswalker card. Liliana and Tamiyo specifically in EDM. It's one of the first times we'll have six planeswalkers in one block.

Some other people predicted Tamiyo would be out because of her being mono-blue, but I'd wager she's BG now. After all, Kiora fucking sucks

On Nahiri

A Nahiri with equipment abilities would be another good hint that Kaladesh is coming up next.

Well we got her being able to search an equipment, so that's interesting.

On Sorin

I just think Sorin's pissed vampires be gettin killed so he'll have an ability that saves them.

Sorin's ultimate, anyone?

On Sigarda, Gisela, and Bruna

Sigarda has brand new art int he article, the other PowerPuff Girls have their old art. That suggests, though not confirms, that only Sigarda is getting a new card.

Ding ding ding! Won't be seeing Gisela and Bruna until EDM if they get cards there.

More to come later

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Collecting predictions of the set from the previous OT and early pages of this thread:

Welp. Hope you got yours breh. GLHF at $50 per Angel. I just want ONE more for my deck imo.

Yup, got her at the prerelease and only needed one for my Boros Angels EDH deck of which she's the proud new Commander. Sadly no commander at my LGS in the foreseeable future

Upper right corner. And she's only at 25€ here so I would only have lost 10 per card

 

[TheBlackMarvel]

There's no confirmation he knew the Helvault was destroyed. In fact, he probably didn't. He fought Tibalt and then he learns Avacyn is back and he leaves. He isn't aware of the 'how' from what the summaries show.

True, but the way the event was described it is bloody odd that he missed it.

 

[charlequin]

I'd actually voice my opinion here and say every single one of them will get a planeswalker card. Liliana and Tamiyo specifically in EDM. It's one of the first times we'll have six planeswalkers in one block.

Yeah, at the time I was figuring three PWs in SOI, once we found out it was four I was pretty certain Tamiyo would get a card.

Ding ding ding! Won't be seeing Gisela and Bruna until EDM if they get cards there.

Usually Rosewater says "Maybe " but on this one he said "Patience," so it's hard to interpret that as anything but a yes.

EDIT: In terms of legends in EDM... Thalia, two (or three) angels, Ulrich (or Tovolar), Edgar Markov (I wish ), Emrakul? Anyone I'm forgetting?

 

[Yeef]

EDIT: In terms of legends in EDM... Thalia, two (or three) angels, Ulrich (or Tovolar), Edgar Markov (I wish ), Emrakul? Anyone I'm forgetting?

We might get a Ludevic card. There seems to be a BFF situation forming between him and Geralf.

[EDIT]If horror-tribal ends up being a thing, he seems to have a bigger connection to that creature type than Geralf or any other character.

 

[Ashodin]

Yeah, at the time I was figuring three PWs in SOI, once we found out it was four I was pretty certain Tamiyo would get a card.



Usually Rosewater says "Maybe " but on this one he said "Patience," so it's hard to interpret that as anything but a yes.

EDIT: In terms of legends in EDM... Thalia, two (or three) angels, Ulrich (or Tovolar), Edgar Markov (I wish ), Emrakul? Anyone I'm forgetting?

New Thalia would probably push Mono-White Humans into Tier 1 standard

 

[A Serious Man]

New Thalia would probably push Mono-White Humans into Tier 1 standard

Well mono-white humans finished 2nd at the only Standard tournament we've had in this format, so I'd say it's already there.

 

[Ashodin]

Well mono-white humans finished 2nd at the only Standard tournament we've had in this format, so I'd say it's already there.

Eh it's week 1. It's pretty strong yes, but the metagame needs to evolve. I'd say mono-black or mid-range BW right now has the chance to keep Mono-White down. Even GW tokens dies horribly to Languish, and my deck mainboards 4.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Just means more languish mainboard. Any shard list including red also has access to kozilek's return (aka "fuck you secure the wastes") and radiant flames. Haven't tested with radiant but painful truths was really easy to hit.

 

[inthrall]

I'd actually voice my opinion here and say every single one of them will get a planeswalker card. Liliana and Tamiyo specifically in EDM. It's one of the first times we'll have six planeswalkers in one block.

Some other people predicted Tamiyo would be out because of her being mono-blue, but I'd wager she's BG now. After all, Kiora fucking sucks

I reckon either U or U/W, she was pretty calculating in the excerpt about dissecting werewolves. If she is not monocolor, she will either have some sort of corruption story and go U/(R or B), or have more backstory added that adds another color to her story, like Nahiri

 

[A Serious Man]

Eh it's week 1. It's pretty strong yes, but the metagame needs to evolve. I'd say mono-black or mid-range BW right now has the chance to keep Mono-White down. Even GW tokens dies horribly to Languish, and my deck mainboards 4.

It's the best aggro deck we've seen by a wide margin, 7 of the top 14 decks at SCG Baltimore were some variant of it. I'm a fan of the slower W/U version which can easily run Invasive Surgery in the sb if sweepers become increasingly common.

Also Radiant Flames and especially Kozilek's Return need to land very early or else Always Watching and Thalia's Lieutenant will put their entire army out of range.

 

[OnPoint]

True, but the way the event was described it is bloody odd that he missed it.

There's a bit of hoop-jumping done already to get things on Innistrad back to fucked up after Avacyn Restored, so I'm going to go ahead and say they had no idea Nahiri was in there or that Sorin would care about the Helvault back then. Sorin's inclusion on Innistrad during Dark Ascension never felt like it mattered during the story back then anyway. It was like they included him just because he was from there.

EDIT: In terms of legends in EDM... Thalia, two (or three) angels, Ulrich (or Tovolar), Edgar Markov (I wish ), Emrakul? Anyone I'm forgetting?

Is one of those the RG werewolf legend? I'd be floored if they didn't. I'll also take a stab at Thalia being decently standard playable, but not eternal playable like the first one.

I reckon either U or U/W, she was pretty calculating in the excerpt about dissecting werewolves. If she is not monocolor, she will either have some sort of corruption story and go U/(R or B), or have more backstory added that adds another color to her story, like Nahiri

She's so UW it hurts, but Investigate being a UG mechanic gives me pause (doesn't make sense in UG thematically but whatever), so I feel there's a chance she could be, just like in the game, Bant colored (especially since Narset is the de facto UW 'walker now). I wouldn't mind her being 1WUG and being semi-powerful, even if Bant Company is pretty damn good already. I'm sick of unplayable mythics and/or planeswalkers. So make it count.

 

["God's Beard!"]

We did it boys, (heeby)GB VALUE TRAIN ASSEMBLED

I'm starting to come around on SOI draft. Lots of weird engines to come together if you go for it.

This is definitely close to my creatureless UR Geistblast forking Rise from the Tides deck in terms of fun.

 

[charlequin]

Is one of those the RG werewolf legend? I'd be floored if they didn't.

Tovolar is the alpha of the Modronen pack, a big silver werewolf who (supposedly) never takes human form. Ulrich is the alpha of the Krallenhorde pack, a crazy berserker type. They each show up in a card name.

 

[WanderingWind]

We still could use a real Geralf and Gisa card. Yeah, yeah, we got those crappy commander cards, but considering Geralf is still on every other zombie card, it'd be nice if we got actual cards to play with in standard. Besides, we could use a nice legendary zombie in EDM. Hell, put them on the same card, Pia and Kiran style. "The worst circumstances make for the most unlikely allies"

 

[kirblar]

Actually, given a likely gold R/M cycle in EDM, a Gisa/Geralf combo card would make a ton of sense to do.

 

[Yeef]

Gisa and Geralf on the same card would feel strange. It seems like they're always at odds with one another, even if it's just minor sibling rivalry.

 

[Ashodin]

We still could use a real Geralf and Gisa card. Yeah, yeah, we got those crappy commander cards, but considering Geralf is still on every other zombie card, it'd be nice if we got actual cards to play with in standard. Besides, we could use a nice legendary zombie in EDM. Hell, put them on the same card, Pia and Kiran style. "The worst circumstances make for the most unlikely allies"

Nah bro, they're already hyping up Geralf and Ludevic bromance. They should get a twin card.

 

[Bandini]

Trying to a deck build around The Gitrog Monster, here's what I came up with this morning:

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/15-04-16-gitrog-midrange/

Obviously it's not gonna win any tournaments, but should be fun to fire up on cockatrice after work =)

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I find it curious so many are sticking to 2 colour combinations over shards in standard brews right now, even enemy pairs whose manabase isn't the most supported. I really like the manabase setup of the bant company player that won the SCG.

 

[A Serious Man]

SOI Prerelease is live on MTGO.

 

[Wichu]

I find it curious so many are sticking to 2 colour combinations over shards in standard brews right now, even enemy pairs whose manabase isn't the most supported. I really like the manabase setup of the bant company player that won the SCG.

I don't think the small benefit of running a third colour is worth the decreased consistency of my mana. If I wanted to splash a third colour, I either reduce the sources of my existing colours making my CC cards riskier, or I play a ton of ETB tapped lands and slow myself down.

 

[Santiako]

Starcitygames Invitational has started, they are showing Bant Company vs Jeskai Goggles Control.

A Nahiri has just got ultimated (and got a Jace, who transformed and so stayed on board).

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Starcitygames Invitational has started, they are showing Bant Company vs Jeskai Goggles Control.

A Nahiri has just got ultimated (and got a Jace, who transformed and so stayed on board).

Why would he flip up den protector instead of replaying bounding krasis and tapping down the flipped titi? CoCo players are playing so loose at times.

 

[SigmasonicX]

It's just reruns right now. Will there be new matches later?

 

[A Serious Man]

It's just reruns right now. Will there be new matches later?

I assume they're just between rounds right now.

EDIT: Yeah, they're live again.

 

[shrapnelmagnet]

Just glad it's Sullivan and Cedric. I don't mind their other folks, but these two are gems together.

 

[OnPoint]

Just glad it's Sullivan and Cedric. I don't mind their other folks, but these two are gems together.

I don't mind the guy that was with Cedric last week. They're number two as a pair behind Cedric and Sullivan. Those three manage to be informative and discuss the lines of play while remaining pleasant and enjoyable to hear. They play well off each other. Everyone else after them are irritating to awful to me though. Hunt has at least 5 cards a weekend he mispronounces (golem, NOT gollum you philistine) and VanMeter has an oddly irritating voice for a guy his size.

Give me more Gerry T or Chapin with Cedric.Get these other clowns out of there.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

I don't think the small benefit of running a third colour is worth the decreased consistency of my mana. If I wanted to splash a third colour, I either reduce the sources of my existing colours making my CC cards riskier, or I play a ton of ETB tapped lands and slow myself down.

I don't think it's a small benefit, the biggest being able to play painful truths, and while the density of cipt lands might be higher, not even that much higher than in enemy colour pairs, CC costs rarely are an obstacle.

 

[Ashodin]

I'd buy Fevered Visions now. Card is the real deal.

 

[Santiako]

I'd buy Fevered Visions now. Card is the real deal.

Card looked really strong in the stream.

 

[Ashodin]

Card looked really strong in the stream.

I'm getting one more myself for a full playset.

Rofl, Pyromancer's Goggles SPIKE

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

2nd week in a row I get done in round 1 by the rare devil token spell + westvale abbey.

That combo is legit unfair.

There aren't enough sweepers in the set to have that land at rare. In my current pod there are 3 of them.

 

["God's Beard!"]

My updated lists for all three competitive formats LET'S GO

 

[Ashodin]

Thinking about splashing green into RW Equipment for Dromoka's Command. Card is so good in this format

 

["God's Beard!"]

2nd week in a row I get done in round 1 by the rare devil token spell + westvale abbey.

That combo is legit unfair.

There aren't enough sweepers in the set to have that land at rare. In my current pod there are 3 of them.

All I know is, I force Geist Blast + Rise from the Tides every time in limited. I took the latter over Avacyn lol

 

[Santiako]

Modern about to start, really eager to see the impact of the banning/unbannings.

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

Figures that I'd meet Westvale Abbey in round 2 as well.

2nd FNM, 2nd 0-2. That's how many 0-2s I had drafting OGW in total (in paper) and I drafted that set twice a week nearly.

I drafted UW fliers with a bunch of removal but whenever I was ahead I faced Westvale.

What actually did me in was the green sorcery that destroys enchantments.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Some madman on r/spikes built a 5-color Blood Moon deck with thalia in it just so he can draw more cards off Painful Truths lol

 

[SigmasonicX]

Huh, Jeff Hoogland is running a Standard Sin Prodder deck (Mardu Control) and I guess he's doing well.

 

[Firemind]

halp

 

[kirblar]

Huh, Jeff Hoogland is running a Standard Sin Prodder deck (Mardu Control) and I guess he's doing well.

The thing people miss about Sin Prodder- that ability is ALL upside. It's an extra draw, where you bin lands, and for spells you get to shock your opponent or get an extra card. But since it doesn't replace your real draw, it's not hurting you.

 

[charlequin]

Gisa and Geralf on the same card would feel strange. It seems like they're always at odds with one another, even if it's just minor sibling rivalry.

You just need to give the card two tap abilities, one for black and one for blue.

I don't mind the guy that was with Cedric last week. They're number two as a pair behind Cedric and Sullivan.

The SGC commentary is generally quite a bit above the WotC streams in all their variants. I like Cedric a good bit less now that I know he's a jerk, but he is very good on stream.

The thing people miss about Sin Prodder- that ability is ALL upside. It's an extra draw, where you bin lands, and for spells you get to shock your opponent or get an extra card. But since it doesn't replace your real draw, it's not hurting you.

I think the judgment on the CR review was that a 3/2 Menace for 3 was too shitty to ever play even with occasional upside, lol.

 

[kirblar]

I like Cedric a good bit less now that I know he's a jerk,

I can't believe it took people so long to realize this.

 

[Juanfp]

I just got Sorin in a fat pack and want to build a deck around him. Any advise?
I play casually and with friends that play the game the same.

 

[bigkrev]

I can't believe it took people so long to realize this.

What did he do?

 

[Joe Molotov]

I just got Sorin in a fat pack and want to build a deck around him. Any advise?
I play casually and with friends that play the game the same.

W/B is pretty popular at the moment. Here's a W/B Vampires deck that runs Sorin and a lot of Commons/Uncommons, so it should be cheap to assemble (just ignore the Avacyn, unless you happened to pull one of those too, in which case, congrats).

http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=100900

 

[Familienoberhauptvogel]

lol at the ascendancy deck, I knew the combo but it still looks dumb.