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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors
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Huh, it actually is TWA Flight 800's anniversary. That's bizarre.
This will lead to heavier sanctions on Russia and additional supplies to the Ukrainian military. Russia may even be forced to look the other way while Ukraine settles the rebellion. I don't think this crash will lead to any further escalation.
This will lead to heavier sanctions on Russia and additional supplies to the Ukrainian military. Russia may even be forced to look the other way while Ukraine settles the rebellion. I don't think this crash will lead to any further escalation.
How adorably naive.
While I'm against war in any way, I think Russia has to bleed for all the shit they've been doing recently. Fuck them.
Looking at the images on Twitter and videos, I'll bet my left nut on it breaking apart before it hit the ground. The wreckage is way to scattered and relatively undamaged (large piece of wreckage on the road) for it to have just crashed.
A 9M317 anti-aircraft-guided missile's proximity fuse would have denoted the missile next to the aircraft, tearing it to pieces or at least destroying vital control surfaces.
Unfortunately, 23 Americans isn't enough to warrant the type of response you're thinking of.
If it had been an American plane full of American passengers heading to Disneyland, then yeah, shit would be going down.
Dreams-Visions
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Odds are good that this will not go unanswered.
The US also doesn't have the capability to record every domestic phone call.
Interfectum
Member
Nothing fuels the war machine among the American populace more than "a few dozen american casualties." You can bet the U.S. military is gearing up right this second.
Kiraly
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I remember when the Americans shot down an Iranian civilian aircraft in the Middle East.
Arming separatists has a historical tendency to go wrong. Al-Qaida, Afghanistan, it always goes down like this.
SliceSabre
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And I'm not saying that. I'm saying let's not jump to conculsion until the cause of crash and who caused it is found out.
I understand feelings are raw but don't go around blaming groups with no actual proof.
Yep. As stupid as Putin has been acting, he would have no reason whatsoever to have a hand in this, aside from empowering the rebels (and planting some of them) there in the first place. Things have clearly spiraled out of control there.
speculawyer
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And the US is well-known for their military restraint.
Thank god Dick Cheney is not in office!
If it looks like a duck
petran79
Banned
geopolitical chess again with human victims, just like in Syria and Iraq
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182276.html
Poland as the Slavic Turkey of NATO Destabilization
Poland, the eager American servant that it has been, has now officially taken on the role of the Slavic Turkey in relation to Ukraine. Just as Turkey has been a geopolitically convenient conduit for arms, personnel, and material support for the Syrian terrorists, so too has Poland begun to officially fulfill this role for their Ukrainian counterparts.
It has thus clearly been demonstratively shown via the aforementioned examples that the destabilizations of both Ukraine and Syria are modelled off of a patterned approach. The US utilizes proxy states with injured imperial legacies in order to advance its Lead from Behind strategy, targeting pivotal geostrategic areas where the US prefers to maintain a plausible deniability over its role and is reluctant to get too directly involved. One can also discern a larger trend developing the use of extreme macro-regional ideological movements to support long-term destabilization. In the Middle East, extreme Islam is the method of choice for application and export, whereas in Ukraine, it is increasingly appearing as though extreme far-right (in some applications, even Neo-Nazi) group fit the Wahhabi role for Europe. Ukraine could quite possibly become a training ground for other European far-right militants, or the ones currently in Ukraine can go on to teach the tools of their trade to the highest bidder in other European states. Just as Turkey is supporting the extreme Islamists in Syria via its support for the fighters there, Poland can be said to be flirting with extreme far-right nationalists in Ukraine through its statements of support for the violent opposition and its recent decision to evacuate and help the wounded insurgents (not even counting the unreported level of covert involvement already ongoing). And just as the extreme Islamists got out of the control of their handlers and now endanger the entire Middle East, the risk remains that the extreme far-right nationalists may become uncontrollable in Ukraine as well and come to endanger the entire EU. When comparing Poland to Turkey and Ukraine to Syria, it is proven that the Arab Spring has come to Europe in more ways than meet the eye.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article182276.html
Poland as the Slavic Turkey of NATO Destabilization
Poland, the eager American servant that it has been, has now officially taken on the role of the Slavic Turkey in relation to Ukraine. Just as Turkey has been a geopolitically convenient conduit for arms, personnel, and material support for the Syrian terrorists, so too has Poland begun to officially fulfill this role for their Ukrainian counterparts.
It has thus clearly been demonstratively shown via the aforementioned examples that the destabilizations of both Ukraine and Syria are modelled off of a patterned approach. The US utilizes proxy states with injured imperial legacies in order to advance its Lead from Behind strategy, targeting pivotal geostrategic areas where the US prefers to maintain a plausible deniability over its role and is reluctant to get too directly involved. One can also discern a larger trend developing the use of extreme macro-regional ideological movements to support long-term destabilization. In the Middle East, extreme Islam is the method of choice for application and export, whereas in Ukraine, it is increasingly appearing as though extreme far-right (in some applications, even Neo-Nazi) group fit the Wahhabi role for Europe. Ukraine could quite possibly become a training ground for other European far-right militants, or the ones currently in Ukraine can go on to teach the tools of their trade to the highest bidder in other European states. Just as Turkey is supporting the extreme Islamists in Syria via its support for the fighters there, Poland can be said to be flirting with extreme far-right nationalists in Ukraine through its statements of support for the violent opposition and its recent decision to evacuate and help the wounded insurgents (not even counting the unreported level of covert involvement already ongoing). And just as the extreme Islamists got out of the control of their handlers and now endanger the entire Middle East, the risk remains that the extreme far-right nationalists may become uncontrollable in Ukraine as well and come to endanger the entire EU. When comparing Poland to Turkey and Ukraine to Syria, it is proven that the Arab Spring has come to Europe in more ways than meet the eye.
I wonder if long range radar can make heads or tails of what happened
Or 2nd term president McCain!
That'd be quite the admission, but I really doubt they'd be making such a thing. I mean, an official Russian military person admitting they did it? Crazy
I thought this guy was just a "separatist" and not officially Russian military? (nice convenient wording)
benjipwns
Banned
I do, yet they never treat me the same back.
SymbiantXenos
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A lot of harsh words will be spoken both sides will continue to blame each other. Fighting will intensify in the east between the government and the separatists. Russia will demand answers but not do anything other than what they already are. And the status quo will continue.
At the end of the day none of that matters. Rest in peace for all the senseless lives that have been lost today (and any other day)
At the end of the day none of that matters. Rest in peace for all the senseless lives that have been lost today (and any other day)
MaxwellGames
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links?
Nikodemos
Member
Strelkov initially thought it was a Ukrainian transport.
From an earlier tweet, I think... Claiming responsibility for a military aircraft.
Known...when they saw it explode at 30,000 feet.
What? Why? What?
You're really posting that piece of shit site?
Strelkov is fucked.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
They have the training. There are a lot of folks there who were either in the Russian or Ukrainian army on either side of the conflict. I don't know if membership is compulsory or anything, but you're talking about a civil war in a place that's been highly militarized since the 1920s.
efyu_lemonardo
May I have a cookie?
Shot down? Who shoots down a passenger airline?
This makes the previous disappearance seem even more like an act of terror.
This makes the previous disappearance seem even more like an act of terror.
Yaphett Kotto
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Video link, please.
What is this shit?
Sure, although "certain parties" have
1) posted pictures with boasts how they stole advanced SAM systems
2) posted pictures and text on their own website how they shot down an airplane just when this plane went down
3) frantically start deleting everything about said SAM systems.
Just a coincidence.
71 is the latest count. Fucking horrendous this. Rest in peace to all people on board and condolences to all families affected by the attack.
Kacho
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Yeah dude. This is unreal.
Well, it probably is now. Apparently its a very common route for Airplanes to take.
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