OriginofHysteria
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Oh wow, I heard that there were 23 Americans on the plane.
Now the FBI is going to be involved
Now the FBI is going to be involved
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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors
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chickdigger802
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it actually is quite close to the intro of Alpha Protocol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBqT0TBHQ4
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Got to love Russia Today, the fucking assholes.
Trying to claim the Ukrainian government is responsible. Yes they totally want to shoot down all those rebel aircraft ... or you know ... they really want to piss off Russia by shooting down their aircraft.
Scum, it offends me we allow these people to broadcast in the western world.
Trying to claim the Ukrainian government is responsible. Yes they totally want to shoot down all those rebel aircraft ... or you know ... they really want to piss off Russia by shooting down their aircraft.
Scum, it offends me we allow these people to broadcast in the western world.
Is it really modus operandi to have one of these things stationed in the middle of town?
Scott32020
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Found an English-lanugage source on the Interfax Putin target report. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-17/latest-reports-about-the-downed-malaysian-jetliner.html
What is their rationale, not hard enough on Russia I assume?
Maybe actually read the first post before posting?
Keeping is safe-ish from attack until they need to use it.
Yep. Saying that the President is too busy fund raising instead of leading and putting real pressure on Russia.
When asked what he should do, bullshit answers ensues.
The US navy did shoot down the Iranian Air Flight 655 when it is still was on Iranian territory, 290 civilians got killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
What?
PadWarrior
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23 Americans were on it?
Thank you
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Oh wow, Russia's now trying to claim Ukraine were trying to shooting down Putins plane ... what the fuck?!?
soundscream
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No one seems to be discussing how the bodies are going to be recovered.
The Ukraine cant do it because of where the crash is, it seems like the only way to recover them in a appropriate manner would be to let the Russians in to do it.
Because sending in a peace keeping force to do it would raise all sorts of new problems.
The Ukraine cant do it because of where the crash is, it seems like the only way to recover them in a appropriate manner would be to let the Russians in to do it.
Because sending in a peace keeping force to do it would raise all sorts of new problems.
Frankenstrat
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For some reason I had put it past Fox News to bring petty politics into this. Fuck me.
Reading up on A300, how could they not claim responsibility if US ship shot it down? Anyway, those incidents aren't really comparable. Say the separatists are responsible then that could mean Russia will stop funding and arming them and denounce the group.
Hopefully...
They cater to a specific audience, such as my close relatives who have internalized the current stream of consciousness that exists in Russia.
I called one of my relatives today to talk about this incident and the response I got was :
"Well what do you expect? They want to stop the fascists from taking over and perhaps this was a mistake, or maybe it was perpetrated by the Ukrainian government to make us look bad. It's exactly what the westerners wanted"
Pack it up, there's no constructive dialogue there.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What's hilarious is that he's been pushing sanctions this entire time.
Sky have just mentioned this. Dutch justice ministry says several Dutch nationals were on crashed flight.
Still no concrete information and the use of 'several' could mean anything. Still nothing on British casualties on BBC or Sky. I presume they are waiting on confirmation before revealing anything.
Fantastapotamus
Wrong about commas, wrong about everything
This is a tweet from the seperatist leader boasting about how they shot down a (military) plane. I don't know if this is legit or not. Could be fake, I have no idea
did they apologized or claimed responsibility since then?
Sir Andrew Wood on fallout (Paraphrasing):
- Putin must already expect this was done by the separatists he's been arming and financing
- Russia denies they've supplied weapons that can bring down aircrafts (but thinks their words are meaningless - they also denied boots on the ground in Crimea)
- Doesn't believe 'rebels' could find the black box (kinda implying Russian help getting it?)
- If any concrete evidence is found, unavoidable massive sanctions for Russia
- Moscow, while ultimately responsible, almost definitely didn't want this.
- Thinks even if Russian involvement is evidenced, they will still deny it no matter what.
- This is murder
We took responsibility of shooting down the A300, but no major repercussions happened.
Hell, the Captain of said ship even got a medal.
Thank you.
ramuh
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Sounds troubling but still circumstantial. I hope UN or somebody can get to the site and find out what happened whether mechanical or intentionally.
Midnight Phoenix
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It is hard for Ukrainian army to destroy it, as there will be casualties among civilians. When Russian army get over Crimea, they always bring some local civilians, that support Russia and let them assault military base. In Donetsk and Lugansk, terrorists using loyal civilians as living shield. It is just strategy. if Ukrainian forces will fire, they will kill civilians for sure and Russia media will start roaring that "Ukrainian Nazi forces started to killing people of Novorossia".
That airlines can't catch a break. I fly often so the last thing I would expect is to get shot out of the sky. Would sooner expect mechanical failure or something of the sort before anything near this. What a senseless and terrifying way to go.
Absolutely this is murder, plain and simple.
Absolutely this is murder, plain and simple.
Nope. They paid money but never an official apology. It was an accident in war times, no reason for a apology.
Prinz Eugn
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These situations are different because of where it happened, and what is happening there. You can't really compare airliners shot down by superpowers which no one wants to truly mess with, and a semi-amorphous group of separatists with a more limited power base.
lol of course they are.
Wind's Howling
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Doublespeak at its finest.
Just put an outrageous lie ontop of the truth that is the complete opposite and your like-minded will eat it up as talking points.
The Elite
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This sounds about right.
Yoda
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Only party that has the capability to shoot a plane down @ that altitude, which would, are the separatists. This puts Putin in an awkward spot because Malaysian Airlines more often that not have Chinese citizens on them. While of course Putin and/or the official Russian military didn't order the plane be shot down; they did arm/train nearly all the rebels. Regardless of where the Rebels obtained the SAM to actually shoot them down, the Russians willingly facilitated the Rebels which allowed them to obtain such weapon via coercion or the most likely scenario, they flat out gave it to them. Back to the Chinese thing, if there were citizens from China on the plane (high probability), that is Russia's only ally worth a damn and they cannot afford to put them in a spot where they look weak on the international stage. China has a vested interests in not getting dragged into international politics outside of anything close to them geographically(much better for their economy).
If this actually manages to stay in the news for more than a few days to a week and gains traction, Putin may have to cut-off ties with the insurgency in Ukraine.
Also I'm eagerly awaiting how Fox News is going to blame Obama.
If this actually manages to stay in the news for more than a few days to a week and gains traction, Putin may have to cut-off ties with the insurgency in Ukraine.
Also I'm eagerly awaiting how Fox News is going to blame Obama.
PhantomHound
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False. They merely said that he needs to lead in this crisis. They didn't blame him for the plane crash.
This is a tweet from the seperatist leader boasting about how they shot down a (military) plane. I don't know if this is legit or not. Could be fake, I have no idea
Not fake, took this on my phone a few hours ago. The post has since been deleted from his page.
Lord of Castamere
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The newest pictures I saw had a crushed skull with no face. They're still coming and they're getting worse.
The Reagan Administration looked the other way when Iraq used chemical weapons on Iranian targets, too.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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Let's start the sanctioning.
Who needs bombs and fighter jets when you can send half their country back into poverty with the open markets.
Who needs bombs and fighter jets when you can send half their country back into poverty with the open markets.
SniperHunter
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The Dutch Embassy in Kiev.
what about the Malaysian embassy?
You'd think Russia's PR mouthpiece would say anything pro-russian.
HI. BILLY MAYS HERE
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If they where really attempting to shoot putins plane down , would anyone really care other than Russia ?
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