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[Pristine_Condition]

Has it been confirmed the missile indeed came from Russia or why is everyone blaming Putin already?

Russia created the "rebels" in the Ukraine. They created the "crisis" in the Ukraine. They created the missiles the "rebels" in the "crisis" in the Ukraine used that shot down the jet and killed all those civilians.

It's not hard math to compute, bro.

 

[Carn82]

...where does it leave this? did this get dismissed as a hoax?

No, its legit. Dude just wanted to make a joke before boarding a MA plane.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

He was making an obvious sarcastic/semi-tasteless remark in wake of the missing Malaysian airlines plane from a few months ago. Little did he know....

ah. ty for clearing that up.

 

[Danne-Danger]

Why are we reacting to a second-hand tweet (!) and not the statement Putin made, or perhaps something reporting the whole message, not some line taken out of context? I mean Putin is a piece of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he was that tactless, but drawing conclusions from a tweet like that just seems silly.

 

[LNBL]

Dutch tv showing footage that CNN showed of the (a) airplane crashing down with a wing on fire.

 

[Acorn]

Europe should step up on the sanctions together with the Americans. Because if Europe doesn't do it it has no effect on Russia. Taking some more risk, not signing separate deals with Russia like Austria (and even Germany) while posing as an unite and moral entity.

No Russian gas, Europe grinds to a standstill. Some more risk is destroying fragile economies just recovering.

America can sanction every single Russian thing and it not matter, isn't like that here for the foreseeable future.

 

[QuantumBro]

Why are we reacting to a second-hand tweet (!) and not the statement Putin made, or perhaps something reporting the whole message, not some line taken out of context? I mean Putin is a piece of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he was that tactless, but drawing conclusions from a tweet like that just seems silly.

It's a news agency posting what Putin's statement was.

 

[sangreal]

I know we've been working with the theory that it was an accident but...



...where does it leave this? did this get dismissed as a hoax?

well, it is definitely a picture that was posted on Facebook from Schipol before the flight departed. Don't know if that guy was actually on it though (or if Malaysia Air had any other flights from there this morning)

 

[Omiee]

anyone have a gif of the plane going down?

 

[ConfusingJazz]

No Russian gas, Europe grinds to a standstill. Some more risk is destroying fragile economies just recovering.

America can sanction every single Russian thing and it not matter, isn't like that here for the foreseeable future.

I wonder how dependent Germany got on Russian gas after Merkel killed the nuke plants.

 

[Gemüsepizza]

Yes, I believe it's called the "correct one."

Antonz said that there are no Ukrainians among the Pro-Russia fighters, and that they are all Russian and Chechen soldiers. That's not "correct". That's borderline insane.

 

[Nyx]

I know we've been working with the theory that it was an accident but...



...where does it leave this? did this get dismissed as a hoax?

It's real unfortunately.

 

[FartOfWar]

See, this is fucking weird.

People are terrible with probability. You actually think it truly unusual that someone boarding a Malaysian flight would make such a joke?

 

[Purkake4]

oh, I totally agree. But in the end it will not amount to much, I guess the stakes are too high.

We'll see, this does look like a pretty clear cause-effect chain here and losing international flights is serious business.

 

[JohnTinker]

These are the controls for an older BUK missile system,

Not something that you work without training

 

[antonz]

Why are we reacting to a second-hand tweet (!) and not the statement Putin made, or perhaps something reporting the whole message, not some line taken out of context? I mean Putin is a piece of shit and I wouldn't be surprised if he was that tactless, but drawing conclusions from a tweet like that just seems silly.

His actual statement is more along the lines of "The state over whose territory this happened bears responsibility for the terrible tragedy."
http://kremlin.ru/news/46243

Its basically a Murderer with bloody hands with a shit eating grin on his face saying it is their fault

 

[jelmerjt]

Image removed.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters 1m
#BREAKING: Russia's Putin says Kiev bears responsibility for crash of passenger plane because it was brought down in Ukraine: RIA

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/489875109340274688

Wow, that's just...

Damn :/

 

[Zukuu]

These are the controls for an older BUK missile system,

Not something that you work without training

Clear case of RTFM. Also, some of the activists are trained soldiers.

 

[Joni]

No Russian gas, Europe grinds to a standstill. Some more risk is destroying fragile economies just recovering.

Russian gas accounts 30% of the European gas usage, which could be lessened by turning several nuclear installations back on.

 

[AstroNut325]

WTF.... that image!

 

[Chariot]

These are the controls for an older BUK missile system,

Not something that you work without training

Well, somebody was able operate it well enough to hit several planes, including this. Even if they hit the wrong one, they hit it, means the fired the missile and locked to a target. They have to have a basic understanding of that thing.

 

[Tugatrix]

These are the controls for an older BUK missile system,

Not something that you work without training

obviously, they must have been trained by the Russians

 

[Archer]

http://imgur.com/fvGcpkS

 

[Fantastapotamus]

People are terrible with probability. You actually think it truly unusual that someone boarding a Malaysian flight would make such a joke?

I probably would have made the same joke.

 

[Acorn]

I wonder how dependent Germany got on Russian gas after Merkel killed the nuke plants.

Dumb as shit political move over a nations best interest. Annoying as hell.

 

[sangreal]

These are the controls for an older BUK missile system,

Not something that you work without training

training you say?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...ssian-anti-aircraft-training-for-separatists/

 

[-MB-]

I know we've been working with the theory that it was an accident but...



...where does it leave this? did this get dismissed as a hoax?

Judging the replies on that facebook page, it's all too real.
Full with family giving their condeolances and being sad. :/

 

[The perfect Dark]

Horrible. What a nightmare.

 

[LNBL]

In other words, Putin just confirmed this is not accident caused by the airplane itself.

 

[Tugatrix]

Odd only a heat seeking missile would go for the engine, but the BUK is radar locked

 

[JCizzle]

Covered

 

[ShinHayase]

Aviation specialist on Dutch TV says the fligh recorder (Black Box) is probably useless because if probably stopped functioning directly after the impact.

So it will show everything is fine and then nothing....

 

[KingSnake]

No Russian gas, Europe grinds to a standstill. Some more risk is destroying fragile economies just recovering.

America can sanction every single Russian thing and it not matter, isn't like that here for the foreseeable future.

No gas, no money for Russia. That's diplomatic battle, who is the first to give up. It could have been done since early this year. There were reports of Russian economy not sustaining a 6 months of full sanctions. It could not even gone to winter. The "fragile" economy that depends mostly on the Russian gas is actually Germany's and it's not that fragile. But it was the stupidest decision ever to not have other sustainable sources of energy besides Russian gas.

There are solution that can be negotiated with Americans to have a back-up for that.

Or what? Wait until Russia pisses directly on an EU country?

 

[Betty]

http://imgur.com/fvGcpkS

That's eerie.

 

[Danne-Danger]

It's a news agency posting what Putin's statement was.

Just seems weird that Putin wouldn't even include his condolences to the casualties and their families in the statement. Anyway it's just my dislike for twitter and bad reporting, probably the wrong place for that anyhow.

 

[mantidor]

See, this is fucking weird.

It's just an (ironic) joke about the other Malaysia Airlines plane that went missing, nothing more.

 

[munroe]

Update on nationalities aboard the plane (confirmed so far):

Dutch: 154
Australian: 27
Malaysian: 23
Indonesian: 11
UK: 6
Germany: 4
Belgium: 4
Philippines: 3
Canadian: 1


Source Sky News/Spokesperson at Schiphol airport

 

[Acorn]

Russian gas accounts 30% of the European gas usage, which could be lessened by turning several nuclear installations back on.

30% is huge. If it was that simple it would've been done long ago even before fukishima.

Russian gas has been seen as a problem for at least a decade.

 

[sangreal]

Odd only a heat seeking missile would go for the engine, but the BUK is radar locked

not sure of the veracity of that image (haven't seen it on CNN), but I did see a report earlier on I think FOX saying the BUK has a number of targeting options -- radar, thermal, laser and optical

 

[Ryan Gosling]

I know we've been working with the theory that it was an accident but...



...where does it leave this? did this get dismissed as a hoax?

its real, his family and friends commenting at the photo, saying RIP and that they could not believe this is happening and stuff..

 

[QuantumBro]

Just seems weird that Putin wouldn't even include his condolences to the casualties and their families in the statement. Anyway it's just my dislike for twitter and bad reporting, probably the wrong place for that anyhow.

Why would he care? None of them were Russian.

 

[Wyndstryker]

Odd only a heat seeking missile would go for the engine, but the BUK is radar locked

Depending on the angle it could've ended up hitting the engine as it's a rather big radar emission spot too.

 

[low-G]

Putin wants an excuse to go out in a blaze of glory, but I don't think he understands that it would be a unanimous choice at this point.

 

[ponpo]

Aviation specialist on Dutch TV says the fligh recorder (Black Box) is probably useless because if probably stopped functioning directly after the impact.

So it will show everything is fine and then nothing....

Yeah I was going to say, probably little in the way of information to get from it.

Unless civilian aircraft have radar lock warnings but I'm assuming they don't.

 

[F0rneus]

This whole situation is just incredibly nightmarish. My heart justs bleed for the families of the victims. Innocent lives, just gone. For a conflict they had no part in. Shit life is stupidly unfair sometimes.

 

[Frank_Lima]

Seems that the plane lost control in the moment that the missile collide.

I was imagining that the pilot tried to make a forced land.

 

[syllogism]

Putin's comments look slightly more sane in context

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said: "Undoubtedly, the government in whose air space this happened bears responsibility for this terrible tragedy," according to a Kremlin statement (Russian).

He also said "this tragedy would not have happened if there were peace in this land, or in any case, if [Kiev] had not renewed hostilities in south-eastern Ukraine."

He said that he has given "instructions to the military so that they have all the necessary help in the investigation of this crime", and that he's requested the government's civilian agencies to assist as best in can in the investigation. He added that "no one has the right" to make conclusions without comprehensive, "objective information about the incident".

Putin also reiterated his condolences for victims' families, and observed a moment of silence.

 

[HelloMeow]

What the fuck man

 

[Yoda]

You don't just shoot down an airliner and then brag about it on social media. The world has to respond. Letting it go suddenly makes every passenger plane in the world a free target.

Its pretty disgusting to see people on gaf of all places try to downplay this or try to argue moral high ground. Hope you guys are pleased with yourself.

While it is tragic that innocents were slaughtered, just because its a plane doesn't make it any more significant than those who lose their lives on a daily basis in area's which are warzones (such as Syria) or pseudo war-zones, such as eastern Ukraine. At most "intervention" will come in the form of a few economic sanctions to Russia, but even then they will be mild compared to those which are already in effect.

There is zero chance for a military response. We didn't intervene when Russia was annexing parts of the country, shooting down an airliner with mostly foreign nationals simply doesn't warrant the amount of money it takes to launch a military strike on the rebels. There is also the fact that if there was some kind of intervention we would then be dead center in the Ukrainian conflict, which our country has made sure to not go past the periphery.