KINGofCRA5H
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Oh my god. I feel sick.
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Malaysia Airlines flight en route from Amsterdam shot down over Ukraine; no survivors
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Oh my god. I feel sick.
'war' journalists are fascinating people.
27 Australians and 2 Americans I believe?
the rest were Dutch and German I think.
Australians
Spreading hate for no fucking reason i hate newspapers so mutch.
Mr. Bamboo
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Fuck. Just woke up to this. RIP to all on board.
6 as far as I know.
Alligatorjandro
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What is wrong with people
WarMacheen
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Stingers will not hit an aircraft at 30,000 feet.
Bam Bam Baklava
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27 Australians and 2 Americans I believe?
the rest were Dutch and German I think.
Australians
2, 6, 23? No reliable info anywhere I look. CNN says none so far.
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I think there were. There are a number of passengers that haven't had their nationalities revealed. The BBC thinks these are Americans and the details have been held back so they can confirm or let families know. But they didn't seem sure themselves.
At a news conference at Schiphol airport, Malaysia Airlines' European chief Huib Gorter said they were still trying to identify some of the passengers from flight MH17.
He said of the passengers that have been identified there were:
154 Dutch nationals, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians
Six Britons, four Germans, four Belgians, three from the Philippines and one Canadian
All 15 of the crew were Malaysian
He said of the passengers that have been identified there were:
154 Dutch nationals, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians
Six Britons, four Germans, four Belgians, three from the Philippines and one Canadian
All 15 of the crew were Malaysian
Sadly they are bang on the money this time.
superdeluxe
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Shocking headlines sell papers, American papers headlines generally tend to be not as sensationalistic.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Stingers have an effective range of about 4km?
KINGofCRA5H
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Was wondering this too. Maybe from de-pressurization?
ape2man
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WarMacheen
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Altitude is different from range, 4km would be safe to say.
Source: Me, I've fired them and working with them was my job during my first few years in the military before I reclassed to another MOS
Pristine_Condition
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The murder 295 civilians over a Russian-manufactured "uprising" = "no fucking reason"
Gotcha.
and/or were ripped/blown off during the explosion
Maybe. Could be an old video repurposed for this incident. I'd be wary.
ConfusingJazz
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That...was my point? Did you not notice that I said a Stinger's maximum "might" be 20,000 feet?
It probably came from a base/facility that has been captured by the seperatists.
Pristine_Condition
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Generally, they use this excuse because they want to notify next-of-kin first, and confirm before releasing names of victims.
Some of them yeah, but others were just missing their pants and shoes. Most likely due to the force of the wind when you are in free fall, I think.
CitizenVectron
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Everyone knows they *have* a SAM launcher. The question is where they got it from. Both Ukraine and Russia have them, and the "rebels" have stolen a lot of hardware already.
It doesn't matter how they got it, but they definitely used it. I think the general consensus is that they used a stolen Ukrainian launcher, but they had Russian military men assisting them in the operation of it.
WarMacheen
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It's not 20,000 feet
ConfusingJazz
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What are you arguing? I said they fly over Afghanistan and North Western Pakistan all the time, where the only AA would be Stingers. Since airlines usually fly around 30,000 feet, and Stingers can only reach, at most, 20,000 feet, they fly over it all the time.
WarMacheen
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I'm not arguing. Simply stating fact. Calm down
Guerrillas in the Mist
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All of those but the Times are tabloids. Normal newspapers have less sensational headlines.
ConfusingJazz
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I am, I am just curious why you are trying to correct something, when you are really just restating what I said.
WarMacheen
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No issue here man, I was just reiterating what you said. A stinger is definitely not involved and no passenger aircraft flying at altitude is in danger from those.
Also the Starstreak missile is not a Stinger, or a variant of a Stinger, it is simply another type of portable surface to air missile and can be fired from many of the same vehicles.
captainnapalm
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Jesus, could that picture be any more dramatic. The guy on the right.
Pristine_Condition
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Hope he takes a nice long look at the bodies of the 80 children. But I bet he won't.
It's the headlines those are disgusting it's in line of "WE MUST GO TO WAR!"
BurnOutBrighter
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Lots of activity here, everyone seems to be in meetings. It appears that MFAT have determined that at least one New Zealand passport holder is among those on the flight.
I hope they weren't on the flight and hope you get some good news soon.
BlazingDarkness
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Of course it's important.
I think people are sad regardless, but in some ways I think it's a matter of hitting closer to home that makes it more personal. I don't think people are implying that "well, if there aren't any people from country X who died then it's no big deal".
He looks like a drug lord or some mafia dude from a cheap action movie.
"Who" is this man? Was he the hired russian actor?
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