aeroslash
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I've been saying fire in the avionics compartment all along too..
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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I've been saying fire in the avionics compartment all along too..
After this incident they're surely going to look at hard-wiring a small, simple emergency beacon of sorts that is entirely inaccessible and un-switch offable to anyone that transmits GPS co-ordinates on request?
Equally with some sort of fitting sensor that detects water and as soon as it does transmits the same GPS data.
Equally with some sort of fitting sensor that detects water and as soon as it does transmits the same GPS data.
Bit off point but this was actually a project in my digital signal processing class at college (although it was simplified to meet our course). With proper discreet signal filtering you can actually identify more than 1 aircraft that is coming your way on the radar. However, it's tricky and I remember reading that not all radar's are capable of it (although I'm sure a military radar could).
Hope so. Sounds like a very smart idea. Confused as to why this was not already considered an integral part of every non-military aircraft.
HerbertFish
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That guy has quite the holier than though attitude. First off that theory has been out there since day 1 but it's been pretty much tossed aside now because that puts it in the main search area and they haven't seen any of it there.
Maninthemirror
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CNN reporting is such a black mark to journalism
Captain Wearing a democracy is dead shirt and participating in rallies ? Thats suspicious
Co pilot inviting teen girls to cockpit ? Thats suspicious because being a son of an airline pilot i know for a fact this is a frequent occurance outside the USA
Captain Wearing a democracy is dead shirt and participating in rallies ? Thats suspicious
Co pilot inviting teen girls to cockpit ? Thats suspicious because being a son of an airline pilot i know for a fact this is a frequent occurance outside the USA
Pretty much. Simple concept. A few tweaks and again an emergency 'transmit oh no I've just hit water' function thrown in.
Heck, even ignoring the human cost and going in terms of pure metal - at the moment they've no idea where a $60,000,000 aircraft is. Kinda worth it.
LQX
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How is it not? If the plane was hijacked and he was in on it, he was most likely pissed at his or another countries politics.
yeah but I doubt India, Pakistan or Turkmenistan dispose of the technology or expertise to be able to do so
They're all perfectly normal activities, as is owning a simulator at home (which after seeing pictures of it is just a standard multi-monitor Flight Sim setup rather than a proper "simulator"). I understand being under investigation for obvious reasons but the media really shouldn't go crazy on twisting perfectly normal hobbies and activities into a guilty verdict.
Humoring the arrogant fire in the cockpit theory from Google+, could the (claimed?) ascent to 45000' be explained by an attempt to extinguish a fire in the structure e.g. reducing oxygen available.
Still wouldn't explain the communications blackout though.
I do think the 777 piggyback theory is more interesting. How close should you try and follow the plane to make your radar signature non-suspicious enough? If the militaries are expecting a 777 to follow that path, would they ignore a slightly strange signal of two 777s instead of one?
Still wouldn't explain the communications blackout though.
I do think the 777 piggyback theory is more interesting. How close should you try and follow the plane to make your radar signature non-suspicious enough? If the militaries are expecting a 777 to follow that path, would they ignore a slightly strange signal of two 777s instead of one?
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Maninthemirror
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Because the last voice was that of a co pilot after ACARS and transponders were shut off. No one knows if it was any pilot or what happened really. This is automatic guilt by associations on the level of we see in that movie 'Arlington street' where everyone creates a moment of suspicion because 'he did this means he thought this'. That's not journalism. Is anyone wearing democracy is dead when voicing his opinion against vote rigging in elections now a potential threat ? Please
REUTERS
US investigators think the missing Malaysia Airlines plane most likely flew southwest over the Indian Ocean off Western Australia, Bloomberg reports citing two officials.
Satellite data showed that the plane likely flew either on that route or northwest toward Kazakhstan. The latter seems less likely since the plane would have flown through the airspace of multiple countries.
Experts agree that theres a good chance MH370 will never be found if its gone into a deep and remote part of the Indian Ocean.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-i...e-is-west-of-australia-in-indian-ocean-2014-3
US Investigators Believe Missing Malaysia Plane Is West Of Australia In Indian Ocean
May never be found...
US investigators think the missing Malaysia Airlines plane most likely flew southwest over the Indian Ocean off Western Australia, Bloomberg reports citing two officials.
Satellite data showed that the plane likely flew either on that route or northwest toward Kazakhstan. The latter seems less likely since the plane would have flown through the airspace of multiple countries.
Experts agree that theres a good chance MH370 will never be found if its gone into a deep and remote part of the Indian Ocean.
http://www.businessinsider.com/us-i...e-is-west-of-australia-in-indian-ocean-2014-3
US Investigators Believe Missing Malaysia Plane Is West Of Australia In Indian Ocean
May never be found...
Finaika
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hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm...
But surely he's make some kind of point about it?
It's a bit pointless killing yourself and over 200 people as a protest against a political movement if nobody actually knows what you're doing.
They already have that but it was turned off. You can't really have things in the airplane hard wired in a sense they don't even have a circuit breaker on them. It's also a very far cry from a consumer device like that to a piece of avionics equipment.
aeroslash
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No, the procedure to follow when you have a fire is to go down asap.
crazygambit
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Actually it has. Significantly. It hasn't kept up with the increases in energy needs from most devices, particularly smartphones, but to say it hasn't significantly improved is very misguided.
I wonder if they are finding anything on the dudes flight sim. It seems rather obvious if he did it he would of practiced his intended route, but surely he would of wiped his hard drive before doing it? Actually if it was me (or anyone with computer knowledge) he would of just taken the hard drive with him as he would have to know that digital forensics teams could recover the deleted data?
Maybe though the intention was to have already hit his target so he didn't care?
To me it seems that a hijack, then co-pilot/passengers or crew attempting to regain control of the plane and a crash is the most likely outcome.
Maybe though the intention was to have already hit his target so he didn't care?
To me it seems that a hijack, then co-pilot/passengers or crew attempting to regain control of the plane and a crash is the most likely outcome.
That doesn't make a lot of sense to me based on what we have heard. Unless something has changed, my understanding is that the pilot called "all right good night" after the transponder and ACARS were off. If a fire caused them to be turned off, it is very difficult to believe that he was not aware of the issue. Furthermore, for the flight to carry on for another 7 hours is difficult to believe if there was a substantial enough fire to turn off major systems and incapacitate the crew.
It's "would have", not "would of". Just FYI.
Legit question - why not and could they not engineer a solution to accomodate an isolated, last resort tracker that is embedded in a way that is wholly inaccessible?
If I were buying a fleet of Aircrafts after this, I'd want some kind of guarantee I could find it if I needed to. The success in a fundamental way of this thing just vanishing could potentially inspire potential hijackers even if this thing wasn't hijacked in the way we think.
But it doesn't explain the 45,000 feet ascent, and then the descent.
They could, but those things would have to work by satellite, which costs a lot of money. In the cut throat airline business, such costs are prohibitive, as long as not everyone is forced to have them.
StopMakingSense
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That post was 4 days ago, so some stuff probably wasn't available to him.
Excellent contribution to the thread!
What have the significant cimprovements been? Relative to other technology, batteries have essentially remained the same.
It's a safety concern. Imagine not having circuit breakers in your house. You could have a short and it would draw as much current as the smallest wire in that circuit could handle and then likely melt and catch on fire.
Just trying to help a brother out. Anyway, it's not like this thread is a shining beacon of amazing and informative posts right now.
Completely agree - but in terms of costs, a $60million lost 777 is going to be compounded with an absolute catastrophic crash in the confidence of an entire Airline and even into their Tourist industry. Can they afford not to?
Also, this pilot suicide doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. If the radar blips and pings are accurate, this was a very well planned and executed plan. I am pretty sure a pilot wouldn't go through all this just to dump it in the oceans 7 hours away.
If he intended to take the plane, then I highly doubt he ran of fuel in the middle of the ocean, pilots are pretty good at planning stuff like this.
If he intended to take the plane, then I highly doubt he ran of fuel in the middle of the ocean, pilots are pretty good at planning stuff like this.
I don´t want to be overly cynic, but that's debatable.
The financial loss will be taken up by the insurer; and a confidence loss could be explained away by lax security controls which falls in the lap of the state, not the airline.
Don´t get me wrong, they should absolutely have something like this. If EU and USA would mandate airlines to have such a thing, or airlines would be blacklisted from landing there, we´d be far better off.
This is the simplest and IMO best explanation so far. People should start looking alone that route.
teruterubozu
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That was posted 3 days ago, before info came out about satellite pings that lasted for hours.
Maninthemirror
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This was posted before the revelation that alright goodnight was said AFTER ACARS and the transponder was turned off
Edit: beaten
The black box signal only works in waters up to 14k feet deep, and they have be to be in close range to it to detect the signal. The box will only be putting off a signal for about 30 days before it'll die if the emergency beacon wasn't already snapped off on impact.
They've actually done a U-turn on this today and said things that contradict it
Saying it's "inconclusive" does not equal a "U-turn".
teruterubozu
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I wouldn't say a full U-turn, they're just not sure of the exact timing.
Point taken. However they did state categorically yesterday that it was turned off before the final words and now today they've said there's a 30min window of uncertainty - which says 'we don't know'.
Not a U-Turn. More a Microsoft 180?
teruterubozu
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Clusterfuck is probably the best description.
Maninthemirror
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Link ? Didnt read that today
It was in Falks (very good contribution) write up of todays 5.30 local time press conference, I don't have the direct link to hand but it's in the Press Conference streams from today I watched.
While this isn't that relevant to the discussion, a 777-ER costs 260mil+. Thats quite a difference to 60mil.
If you want to find Falks excellent press conference transcripts, search the thread for 'falkrant' and you will find them all.
edit: here is the link to the relevant one http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=104699307&highlight=falkrant#post104699307
The price for a brand new 777 are a lot different from the price of and old and used 777. News reports were quoting sales prices of older 777's at close to 60 million. Not sure about the age of the particular 777 that we are talking about.
Maninthemirror
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Thanks
Found this too
Something must have happened between 1:07 am and 1:37 am or more precisely
Between 1:19 am and 1:37 am
Found this too
Something must have happened between 1:07 am and 1:37 am or more precisely
Between 1:19 am and 1:37 am
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