You know battery technology has not drastically improved in the last 20 years right? These black boxes run on battery too.
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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You know battery technology has not drastically improved in the last 20 years right? These black boxes run on battery too.
SlackAdjuster
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I haven't seen anyone consider that the black box could've been damaged to where its not working. Nothing is perfect.
Carl Sagan would be able to grasp technological limitations. You are just in here spouting non sequiturs. The ocean is more a mystery than the moon at this point.
Not sure if you have been watching Cosmos but NDT touched on this point last week.
I seriously think this is upscaled and not native resolution.
edit: Nevermind, just a whole bunch of jpeg artifacting and possibly crushed blacks.
Ace Harding
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He should have just said debris. With Air France they found debris pretty quickly. With this one there is nothing.
Of course with Air France the target area where they were looking was pretty small, right?
Still, I don't know why people completely dismiss the idea that this plane was stolen, landed, and is intact. It was intact and nobody knew where it was 7 freaking hours later. It could have been on its descent by that point, or on the ground.
Yes it is crazy that someone could have landed and either killed or hid 238 other people but clearly this was very well planned and calculated by a very experienced pilot. It is highly likely that he at least intended to land, and if that's the case he remained undetected for 7 hours and was either at his destination or within striking distance. If this was coordinated with a remote team somewhere some time in advance it is plausible that he could have landed and the plane been hid.
MMBosstones86
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not sure if serious.
I'm fairly certain we know more about space at this point than the bottom of the fucking ocean.
Me too. Been doing that for the past week and always ended up disappointed.
Why would they fly south though? Unless it was a suicide and the pilot didn't want the wreckage to be found.
What do you mean "know more about space" ? humans have barely scratched the surface of it. Hint: Space is infinity bigger than the earths oceans.
teruterubozu
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Landed vs. crashed - this thread has been a broken record for awhile now. Not sure how much more we can dissect this before some actual facts come out.
Not much, but are we sure there will be facts to dissect?
We have easy access to the ocean and we still haven't been able to determine all of its secrets.
andthebeatgoeson
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I'm much more intrigued with this thing landing in Pakistan and China having to wreck things.
lilbaby Jesus
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Lol right. The shit we've read in this thread smh.
While that is quite hyperbolic, goomba is still wrong. The search area is pretty fucking large and even if the black box survived (IIRC its around a 90% chance in water crashes) it only has 30 days of battery to broadcast the signal which only goes a few miles.
Betta Lines
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u wot m8
maquiladora
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This is a really interesting theory :
As a hobby pilot and aviation enthusiast, a theory began to form in my own mind on this 10th day as all of the latest information began to trickle in slowly through media outlets globally. After being unable to escape the idea that it may have happened, I began to do some analysis and research and what I discovered was very troubling to me!
Starting with a set of facts that have been made available publically and verified over the past few days, I first plotted MH370s course onto an aviation IFR map which shows the airways and waypoints used to navigate the skies. I plotted the point where it stopped transmitting ADS-B information at 1621UTC. I then plotted the Malaysian military radar track from that point towards VAMPI, GIVAL, and then onward toward IGREX on P628 ending with where the plane should be at 1715UTC when military radar lost contact.
That chart looks like this:
Nothing profound there but then I looked to see what other planes were in the air at 1715UTC and I looked to see exactly where they were positioned in the sky and where they were flying. The picture started to develop when I discovered that another Boeing 777 was en-route from Singapore over the Andaman Sea.
I investigated further and plotted the exact coordinates of Singapore Airlines flight number 68s location at 1715UTC onto the aviation map. I quickly realized that SIA68 was in the immediate vicinity as the missing MH370 flight at precisely the same time. Moreover, SIA68 was en-route on a heading towards the same IGREX waypoint on airway P628 that the Malaysian military radar had shown MH370 headed towards at precisely the same time.
It became apparent as I inspected SIA68s flight path history that MH370 had maneuvered itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 17:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68. All the pieces of my theory had been fitting together with the facts that have been publically released and I began to feel a little uneasy.
Singapore Airlines Flight 68 proceeded across the Andaman Sea into the Bay of Bengal and finally into Indias airspace. From there it appears to have proceeded across India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and finally Turkmenistan before proceeding onward across Europe to its final destination of Barcelona, Spain.
This map depicts the approximate flight path of SIA flight 68 on that particular day. Additional detail will be required from each countries aviation authorities to establish exact particulars of the route.
So by now, you may have caught on or you may be scratching your head and wondering if Ive gone insane! How does SIA68 have anything to do with MH370 disappearing? Remember the one challenge that is currently making everyone doubt that MH370 actually flew to Turkmenistan, Iran, China, or Kyrgyzstan? That challenge is the thought that MH370 couldnt make it through several key airspaces such as India or Afghanistan without being detected by the military.
It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying dark without transponder / ADS-B output, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens.
Wouldnt the SIA68 flight have detected MH370? NO! The Boeing 777 utilizes a TCAS system for traffic avoidance; the system would ordinarily provide alerts and visualization to pilots if another airplane was too close. However that system only operates by receiving the transponder information from other planes and displaying it for the pilot. If MH370 was flying without the transponder, it would have been invisible to SIA68.
In addition, the TCAS system onboard MH370 would have enabled the pilot(s) to easily locate and approach SIA68 over the Straits of Malacca as they appeared to have done. The system would have shown them the flights direction of travel and the altitude it was traveling which would have enabled them to perfectly time an intercept right behind the other Boeing 777. Here is a picture of a TCAS system onboard a 777.
How does this solve the mystery??? We know MH370 didnt fly to Spain! Once MH370 had cleared the volatile airspaces and was safe from being detected by military radar sites in India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan it would have been free to break off from the shadow of SIA68 and could have then flown a path to its final landing site. There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xingjian province, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan. Each of these final locations would match up almost perfectly with the 7.5 hours of total flight time and trailing SIA68. In addition, these locations are all possibilities that are on the ARC and fit with the data provided by Inmarsat from the SATCOMs last known ping at 00:11UTC.
There are too many oddities in this whole story that dont make sense if this theory isnt the answer in my opinion. Why did MH370 fly a seemingly haphazard route and suddenly start heading northwest towards the Andaman Islands on P628? If not for this reason, it seems like a rather odd maneuver. The timing and evasive actions seem deliberate. Someone went through great lengths to attempt to become stealthy and disable ACARS, transponder/ADS-B (even though SATCOM to Inmarsat was left powered).
After looking at all the details, it is my opinion that MH370 snuck out of the Bay of Bengal using SIA68 as the perfect cover. It entered radar coverage already in the radar shadow of the other 777, stayed there throughout coverage, and then exited SIA68s shadow and then most likely landed in one of several land locations north of India and Afghanistan.
Chuckie
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The 'bottom' of the ocean is merely the ocean floor. And millions of people have walked there.
Betta Lines
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There is no mobile coverage over the ocean.
teruterubozu
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9/11 passengers used the credit card swipe shitty phone attached to the seats. Mobile in the air in 2001? LOL
StopMakingSense
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Oh you know what he means.
MH370 couldn't have located SIA68 with TCAS as it does not work with one of the transponders turned off
aeroslash
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Exactly.
Ok guys, what's easy? To hide below a 777 or that if there was another 777 at the same time in the same route, the military radar just confused the two planes?
MMBosstones86
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Yeah...slight hyperbole, my bad. I'll just settle with disagreeing with goomba on this one.
Actually make sense
lilbaby Jesus
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It's cool man. I understand, if it's in the ocean that's the most difficult place to find it. We have to be patient and let the professionals figure this out.
Daffy Duck
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Not sure if it's been posted but this an interesting take on what could have happened from a pilot.
https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz
https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz
StopMakingSense
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bad link
Catchpenny
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I really hope the background checks into the crew and passengers will turn up something. We (the public, anyway) are missing vital pieces of the puzzle here.
If a suspect can be determined with ties to people not on the plane, it would be very helpful. Knowing what the intent of all this was could shed light on where the plane ended up.
If a suspect can be determined with ties to people not on the plane, it would be very helpful. Knowing what the intent of all this was could shed light on where the plane ended up.
Daffy Duck
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Should be working now.
Haha.
Ravensmash
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British press seem to be doing their best to subtly imply it was something to do with the pilot.
Sigh.
Sigh.
GlamFM
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Yep, that´s probably it. It´s the first explanation that I read or heard that actually makes sense.
Never seen top gun?
StopMakingSense
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But it doesn't jive with the satellite ping at all.
GlamFM
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Satellite Ping could have been any aircraft though - right?
chaosblade
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Also wonder if emergency communication that would have gone off if it crashed would have also been disabled. If so, it's might be reasonable to assume the satellite data is the piece that doesn't fit and could be an error.
Actually it was a stupid idea for me to use fighters (i.e. planes designed to be stealthy and undetectable to radar and high manoeuvrability which can fly very close to each other) as an example.
TOP SHOTTA
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I have read about the unimaginable sense of scale of the Pacific Ocean before. You can see it yourself in Google Earth. You can spin the globe around and when centered on the Pacific, it is almost all you can see. So a search there would be mind boggling.
BUT I am, or was, absolutely ignorant to the fact that this scale is not that different in other areas of the world. The ocean is just unimaginably huge. But I am truly suprised that with the ISS orbiting around pointing cameras at the globe non-stop, plus countless other sattelites - that this thing wouldn't have been tracked door to fucking door of its journey. I am really, truly amazed and suprised that the global awareness I thought we had.... we don't.
I can't stop watching Air Crash and Mayday on YouTube. Mom was an AA flight attendant for 37 years. I grew up in, on and around commercial airplanes. This is so mind bending and strange that I am, personally, without any way to reason what happened. It kept me up last night a little.
Good god the hypoxia + descend + stash plane seems somewhat likely and it also seems absolutely awful.
BUT I am, or was, absolutely ignorant to the fact that this scale is not that different in other areas of the world. The ocean is just unimaginably huge. But I am truly suprised that with the ISS orbiting around pointing cameras at the globe non-stop, plus countless other sattelites - that this thing wouldn't have been tracked door to fucking door of its journey. I am really, truly amazed and suprised that the global awareness I thought we had.... we don't.
I can't stop watching Air Crash and Mayday on YouTube. Mom was an AA flight attendant for 37 years. I grew up in, on and around commercial airplanes. This is so mind bending and strange that I am, personally, without any way to reason what happened. It kept me up last night a little.
Good god the hypoxia + descend + stash plane seems somewhat likely and it also seems absolutely awful.
The satellite handshake could only have come from MH370.
GlamFM
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Ah, OK. In this case we´re back to aliens I guess.
StopMakingSense
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And that post was from 4 days ago now, so before (?) the satellite ping was known about.
An Inmarsat official told CNN that these handshakes always contains a code verifying the identity of the aircraft. Indeed, the whole purpose of the ping (handshake) is to verify whether a specific aircraft is still connected to the network, so having a random aircraft(s) answer the handshake would make no sense at all.
Yep only one big ping in the radar, but in reality they would just fly close to the ground to avoid radar
I really hope this gets solved, and sooner rather than later. I'm incredibly curious to know what happened, and why. Australian media is starting to point the blame on the pilot, but I'm still not sure what to think.
Whatever the case, I hope that the families of the passengers get closure soon, one way or another. Must be awful for them.
Whatever the case, I hope that the families of the passengers get closure soon, one way or another. Must be awful for them.
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