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[empty vessel]

The pilot practicing this and the co-pilot being the one to last communicate with ATC would require them to be working together if the FMS was programmed to perform these maneuvers.

The pilot could not program the plane without the co-pilot's knowledge?

 

[KHarvey16]

The pilot could not program the plane without the co-pilot's knowledge?

Not as far as I know. Some systems I believe let you download flight information from a memory device but that's usually a pretty secure process and it would be in full view of anyone in the cockpit. Maybe if he had left for whatever reason but then he would have to return before saying good night to ATC.

 

[toxicgonzo]

The pilot could not program the plane without the co-pilot's knowledge?

"I'm adding these waypoints in just in case of emergency landing"
or
"You take care of this checklist, I'll set the autopilot. Don't mind me"
or
The co-pilot did not know the autopilot was set...because he was already murdered.

 

[syllogism]

Actually they've said that all the game logs from the simulator were deleted, so that's a bit more intriguing.

 

[aeroslash]

It's impossible for someone to know if the turn was pre-programmed in the flight plan of the fms or done manually without the blackbox. Impossible.

 

[raindoc]

Actually they've said that all the game logs from the simulator were deleted, so that's a bit more intriguing.

Then how did they come up with that list of destinations he practiced landing at?

 

[KHarvey16]

It's impossible for someone to know if the turn was pre-programmed in the flight plan of the fms or done manually without the blackbox. Impossible.

It's been reported to be part of the data transferred over ACARS.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Then how did they come up with that list of destinations he practiced landing at?

I'm guessing to have those places, you need to download them somehow. So there were at least still files related to the download of those locations, something like that.

 

[empty vessel]

I'm guessing to have those places, you need to download them somehow. So there were at least still files related to the download of those locations, something like that.

Or more likely that those were just airports available on the program. I doubt the media (or those leaking information to it) bothered to distinguish between that and routes/airports that were actually practiced. I've yet to see anything suspicious reported so far as regards the simulator, but time will tell I suppose.

 

[crozier]

Couldn't the pilot have easily made an excuse to get the copilot out of the room? The copilot basically has to follow orders anyhow. If they didn't request to fly together, I'm leaning away from both being involved.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Or more likely that those were just airports available on the program. I doubt the media (or those leaking information to it) bothered to distinguish between that and routes/airports that were actually practiced. I've yet to see anything suspicious reported so far as regards the simulator, but time will tell I suppose.

It wasn't the media who specified those five airports, it was the authorities who said "the top five". What top five means is unclear.

 

[Deleted member 8095]

I overheard people talking about this. The funniest thing to me is this widespread idea that a pilot owning a flight simulator is somehow suspicious. God forbid they realize I, a private citizen, own and use Arma 3, a military simulator. They would probably think I was doing practice runs to prepare and assault on several small Greek islands.

Yep, a pilot owns a flight simulator and practices landings he might use in real life. Reeeeeeal suspicious.

I don't think it's suspicious but certainly something worth investigating just in case.

 

[sphinx]

I haven't been able to follow this story as close as I should but everyone paying attention to it,

I kindly ask of you: once the mystery is genuinely resolved PLEASE POST A NEW THREAD, or ask a mod to update the topic line with an updated line.

 

[Forsete]

Couldn't the pilot have easily made an excuse to get the copilot out of the room? The copilot basically has to follow orders anyhow. If they didn't request to fly together, I'm leaning away from both being involved.

IIRC not anymore.
There were changes how co-pilots act against the captain. If the captain is doing something stupid it is now the co-pilots duty to interact.
They changed things around after numerous air disasters which were caused by stupid shit done by captains while the co-pilot was sitting around passive "not daring" questioning the captain.

I think leaving the cockpit would be one of those situations: "How about no?".

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

Re: programming timing...

The change in direction was made at least 12 minutes before co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid said "All right, good night," to controllers on the ground, the sources said.

The revelation further indicates that the aircraft's mysterious turnaround was planned and executed in the cockpit before controllers lost contact with Flight 370. But it doesn't necessarily indicate an ulterior motive.

"Some pilots program an alternate flight plan in the event of an emergency," cautioned Greg Feith, a former National Transportation Safety Board crash investigator and NBC News analyst.

"We don't know if this was an alternate plan to go back to Kuala Lumpur or if this was to take the plane from some place other than Beijing," the doomed flight's intended destination, Feith said.

Here's the article: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mis...ces-say-n56151

 

[Slurpy2k20]

CNN is such a shody place to get news


90% is inclined towards the possibility that every news is seen from the eyes of malicious intent when the fact is no one knows the facts and its 50 50

I just watched CNN for the first time in several months, as I usually watch news from Canadian, UK, and Middle-East Sources. I was literally in awe at how fucking gaudy the station is- with all the anchors manipulating 3D planes and bullshit. It just gave me a bad taste in my mouth, as it contributed nothing except being a spectacle. They had a "panel of experts" on, responding to moronic tweets, and I was so much in awe at the stupidity I ended up watching for over an hour. Half these "experts" had unbalanced and sensational conspiracy theories, and just seemed to unprofessional with their jumping to conclusions and assumptions, from giving out the website to buy chinese cellphone jammers, to stating that American airlines are safer than any other airline. The one guy that suggested there's no point in all this speculation before all the facts have come in was promptly attacked by everyone, for such a heinous suggestion. What they were doing was "investigative" work.

What a fucking joke of a news channel. I'm glad I don't get Fox News, I'd probably get a hernia. You only realize how sensational and shitty CNN is, after you get used to other non-US news stations.

 

[capslock]

Fox's The Five has it figured out - It was the Mooslim pilots

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-five-political-correctness-causing-authorities-to-ignore-pilots-muslim-faith/

 

[Stinkles]

Fox's The Five has it figured out - It was the Mooslim pilots

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-five-political-correctness-causing-authorities-to-ignore-pilots-muslim-faith/

better ground all those other thousands of Muslim pilots.

 

[Flying Toaster]

I just watched CNN for the first time in several months, as I usually watch news from Canadian, UK, and Middle-East Sources. I was literally in awe at how fucking gaudy the station is- with all the anchors manipulating 3D planes and bullshit. It just gave me a bad taste in my mouth, as it contributed nothing except being a spectacle. They had a "panel of experts" on, responding to moronic tweets, and I was so much in awe at the stupidity I ended up watching for over an hour. Half these "experts" had unbalanced and sensational conspiracy theories, and just seemed to unprofessional with their jumping to conclusions and assumptions, from giving out the website to buy chinese cellphone jammers, to stating that American airlines are safer than any other airline. The one guy that suggested there's no point in all this speculation before all the facts have come in was promptly attacked by everyone, for such a heinous suggestion. What they were doing was "investigative" work.

What a fucking joke of a news channel. I'm glad I don't get Fox News, I'd probably get a hernia. You only realize how sensational and shitty CNN is, after you get used to other non-US news stations.

CNN went to shit when they started having all those "experts" give their biased opinions on what happens during any given event...

Actually I take that back, all TV news went to shit when they started using experts to explain things instead of actually leaving the experts out and telling the damn news.

 

[akira28]

better ground all those other thousands of Muslim pilots.

Isn't most of Malaysia muslim? So if an American flight disappears, will they point out that the Pilots believed in God?

 

[Jarmel]

At the moment the most key scenarios are:

- The most unfortunate series of technical events, fire and smoke in 777 history happened that incapacitated the crew before any communications at all could be made, and made the flight fly out into the sea on auto-pilot until it ran out of fuel

- The pilots / mystery persons for reasons unknown disabled the comms and pulled the most jive flight manouervers witnessed outside Top Gun and flew underneath another jet to escape radar to a destination unknown for reasons unknown. No group or individual has made ransom or political demands, mainly because they may be looking to use the 777 again to crash into somewhere which would be very sensible since its dramatic disappearance has put probably 75% of the worlds radars on high alert for a missing 777.

- The pilot or co-pilot who otherwise seemed normal with solid backgrounds decided to commit suicide in the most bizarre way without telling anyone and taking 200+ people with them.

Clear as day.

First scenario is suspect since all indications point the comms being turned off as premeditated.

This whole thing sounds absolutely insane.

Maybe the Rapture is starting to roll out and God took the whole plane.

 

[greepoman]

Don't know if it's been suggested but what if the preprogrammed route was actually a move to thwart separate hijackers that had entered the cockpit? Hijackers demand to fly somewhere and the pilot programs this route to take it out to sea away from stuff then makes them sign off however many minutes later normally. After hijackers realize what was done they execute the pilots in anger but now no one really knows how to fly the plane and it goes until it crashes in the ocean.

 

[teruterubozu]

I haven't been able to follow this story as close as I should but everyone paying attention to it,

I kindly ask of you: once the mystery is genuinely resolved PLEASE POST A NEW THREAD, or ask a mod to update the topic line with an updated line.

You'll be hitting that refresh for years.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Don't know if it's been suggested but what if the preprogrammed route was actually a move to thwart separate hijackers that had entered the cockpit? Hijackers demand to fly somewhere and the pilot programs this route to take it out to sea away from stuff then makes them sign off however many minutes later normally. After hijackers realize what was done they execute the pilots in anger but now no one really knows how to fly the plane and it goes until it crashes in the ocean.

The 9/11 hijackers learned how to fly planes because they knew no pilot would crash a plane into anything on demand. In any other hijack situation you land where the hijackers tell you and hope you're negotiated or rescued to safety, you don't immediately doom the plane to an ocean crash.

 

[greepoman]

The 9/11 hijackers learned how to fly planes because they knew no pilot would crash a plane into anything on demand. In any other hijack situation you land where the hijackers tell you and hope you're negotiated or rescued to safety, you don't immediately doom the plane to an ocean crash.

Not all plans are well thought out. I dont think every hijacker knows how to fly a plane.

 

[ThatGuyAgain]

I don't see this mentioned but what if the plane was redirected by the pilot (either deliberately or commandeered) and then it was shot down by a military defense (US, Chinese, Thai or any one of the others that the plane crossed their airspace) because they didn’t respond to communication attempts?

The country that did this is hush because it would be a global nightmare for them and has been able to hide all evidence.

 

[Liquidsnake]

It blows my mind that in the year 2014 the world can lose a plane with no explanation.

 

[Megalosaro]

It blows my mind that in the year 2014 the world can lose a plane with no explanation.

Why is it mind blowing. People forget how large the planet is, and overestimate how advanced our technology is.

 

[Omiee]

so what did i miss from yesterday?

 

[3N16MA]

so what did i miss from yesterday?

CNN breaking news every 5 minutes.

 

[Haines]

It blows my mind that in the year 2014 the world can lose a plane with no explanation.

I said that on like page 45 and a guy said that whole ship was lost not to long ago and that the ocean is a big place.

i agree tho. i dont think they will find the plane. i havent since a couple days after it was gone.

 

[JPodz]

so what did i miss from yesterday?

Nothing. Just a bunch of people around the world on various message boards and tv stations playing junior-plane-finding-detectives

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

Not all plans are well thought out. I dont think every hijacker knows how to fly a plane.

Yes, exactly. Which is why a pilot lands the plane wherever the hijacker says. Which is obviously a lot safer than programming it to automatically crash into the ocean.

 

[Oersted]

It blows my mind that in the year 2014 the world can lose a plane with no explanation.

On friday 2 weeks already.

 

[Cereal KiIIer]

It blows my mind that in the year 2014 the world can lose a plane with no explanation.

The aviation industry is archaic. You should see what control towers use to work. It's downright scary. There still in the '60 as far as technology goes.

 

[PantherLotus]

You can hardly blame people for remaining in wonder regarding this mystery. Some of you act like this is common, or that it doesn't defy rational explanation.

 

[PopcornMegaphone]

This story is so bizarre. At this point there's only one theory that doesn't have holes in it:

 

[poros1ty]

What's really sad is if the plane happened to ditch in the ocean and people actually survived... no rescue.

 

[Sage00]

The aviation industry is archaic. You should see what control towers use to work. It's downright scary. There still in the '60 as far as technology goes.

Err.. no. It's one of the most advanced, well funded and cutting edge industries around.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Err.. no. It's one of the most advanced, well funded and cutting edge industries around.

ATC and is actually pretty anticquated. Next gen is here but switching over isn't so simple as you'd have to integrate the new systems into every aircraft. Also the field is filled with baby boomers, though I'm not sure if they're all reluctant to change. But they are mostly all on their way out for retirement.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

What's really sad is if the plane happened to ditch in the ocean and people actually survived... no rescue.

Nobody would survive a fall into the ocean, its basically concrete

 

[MThanded]

Nobody would survive a fall into the ocean, its basically concrete

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961

One hundred and twenty-five of the 175 passengers and crew members were killed, as well as all three hijackers. Many of the passengers who died survived the initial crash, but they had disregarded or did not hear Leul's warning not to inflate their life jackets inside the aircraft, causing them to be pushed against the ceiling of the fuselage by the inflated life jackets when water flooded in. Unable to escape, they drowned. An estimated 60 to 80 passengers, strapped to their seats, presumably drowned.[3][24]

50 people survived this and more would have survived if they hadn't inflated life jackets when the water flooded in.

 

[HoosTrax]

Nobody would survive a fall into the ocean, its basically concrete

Why would you assume that the water in an ocean would be "harder" than the water in the Hudson River.

 

[Serra]

Honestly I feel bad for the pilots and their families. CNN and other shitty outlets are pointing the finger at them.

 

[teruterubozu]

Why would you assume that the water in an ocean would be "harder" than the water in the Hudson River.

There's a difference between falling and landing.

 

[Onemic]

I really think that plane crashed somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

 

[HoosTrax]

There's a difference between falling and landing.

The original question posed stated "ditching".

 

[Liquidsnake]

I really think that plane crashed somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

I believe this too. They are just looking in the wrong area, and by now the debris field will be impossible to find.

 

[BFIB]

I really think that plane crashed somewhere in the middle of the ocean.

Don't tell CNN that, they don't want to hear it.

 

[Blader]

I believe this too. They are just looking in the wrong area, and by now the debris field will be impossible to find.

They're not looking in the wrong area, the problem is that the search area is too fucking big.

If it actually did crash in the Indian Ocean, it will be years before it's ever found, if it's ever found at all -- which is very likely.