So because it's a guess, it can't be wrong? That's great news to conspiracy theorists.
Wrong means "not right." No implication needed.
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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So because it's a guess, it can't be wrong? That's great news to conspiracy theorists.
Wrong means "not right." No implication needed.
Fair point. I can see what you mean when you say I may be approaching it from the wrong angle.
There are varying levels of accuracy involved in work like this. Why are you being so absolute?
So eventually, there will be one guy on one ship threw a hook and catch the first piece from MH370, so everybody else is unhelpful and doesn't deserve respect? What kind of logic is that?
I'd rather not get into a semantics argument. Regardless of their "varying level of accuracy", their data allowed for satellites and search teams to focus on things completely unrelated to the disappearance of this plane.
And it's quite possible that this new information may be just as wrong.
There's a big difference between they guessed wrongly and they were proven wrong by something they're sure of.
Sure it's possible that the new information may be wrong, oh my, let's just give up then! It could be another waste of resources.
Not sure what you're trying to reach for here.
don't YOU understand? there's no evidence.
there is no evidence that proves that the plane crashed in this part of the ocean at all. this proves that this this will organised by obama, who was suffering with too much focus from the media from his poor handling of russia/ukrainec crisis. clearly, obama in conjunction with the malayasia government (who needs more media attention to drive up tourism) purposefully hijacked this plane and taken it to a australian military base. the australianas are currently brainwashing and training the chinese citizens to become suicide bombers so that china has a crisis from within thus giving obama a political edge when it comes to his relationship with china.
there is no evidence that proves that the plane crashed in this part of the ocean at all. this proves that this this will organised by obama, who was suffering with too much focus from the media from his poor handling of russia/ukrainec crisis. clearly, obama in conjunction with the malayasia government (who needs more media attention to drive up tourism) purposefully hijacked this plane and taken it to a australian military base. the australianas are currently brainwashing and training the chinese citizens to become suicide bombers so that china has a crisis from within thus giving obama a political edge when it comes to his relationship with china.
Freaky Fred
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Chinner I think you have the best tag in all of GAF-land
makes sense.
Bold statement.
But if true. This isn't the first time the US government use the media to sidetrack misinformed and easily brainwashed people
In regards to the Immarsat data, you do realise that due to the unusual situation of all other normal tracking methods being unavailable they pretty much had nothing to work with bar a couple of pings spread hours apart and a final partial handshake.
Its not a case a defending them, they've provided what is reasonably expectable given the circumstances if you understand the technology and limitations of the situation. The 'but they've not found the plaaaaane yet based on it so what good is it' is an odd argument. The hundreds of men and women diligently looking 24/7 at sea currently haven't found it yet either - should they stop trying until they work out where to look? Are they to blame? Do they need defending?
No country has any idea where the plane went down so Immarsat gave their best guess given the limited Intel. That's all they can do.
Its not a case a defending them, they've provided what is reasonably expectable given the circumstances if you understand the technology and limitations of the situation. The 'but they've not found the plaaaaane yet based on it so what good is it' is an odd argument. The hundreds of men and women diligently looking 24/7 at sea currently haven't found it yet either - should they stop trying until they work out where to look? Are they to blame? Do they need defending?
No country has any idea where the plane went down so Immarsat gave their best guess given the limited Intel. That's all they can do.
freefornow
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From Youtube:
This animation shows how debris can scatter on ocean currents. This technology was used to assist in the search for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVVWrKn9Gg8#t=10
This animation shows how debris can scatter on ocean currents. This technology was used to assist in the search for missing Malaysian Airlines flight MH370.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVVWrKn9Gg8#t=10
Mikey Jr.
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Not blaming anyone, but I feel that we are never going to find this plane. Once that beacon dies, that'll be the final nail in the coffin.
SquiddyCracker
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Proof of the families being actors?!
This is all a hoax perpetrated by the reptilian royal secret service from Eta Triangulis V!
Holy shit hahahaha, never noticed that.
I keep hearing this and I am not dismissing pilot suicide for personal reasons or even terrorism BUT why in the world would he want to leave a mystery behind if he wanted to kill himself? And especially if he wanted to commit a terrorist act?
If he wanted to kill himself and take the plane down why wouldn't the ocean/location around the original flight path be any less feasible?
I don't get why anyone would want to leave a mystery behind? What's the point in that?
If they can't prove a suicide, maybe his family will get insurance money?
Honestly, I'm still leaning towards fire/accident. Sad that we may never know for sure.
I know they're grieving and all but what is a walkout supposed to do? Do they think people aren't trying their best to find the plane?
SniperHunter
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I like this theory. It makes perfect sense. Good job chinner
Betta Lines
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I can't tell when you guys are being sarcastic anymore.
It may be in response to this
I'd like to think I'd appreciate the large scale efforts to find the plane and obvious delicate nature of Governmental information flow, but if I'd lost love ones and was told theres something other than full disclosure I imagine I'd be pretty pissed too.
mangochutney
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It is entirely accurate.
If you wanted to find out what 4 + 4 equals using a calculator but mistakenly put in 5 + 4 the answer is would give would be 9.
The answer is accurate, but it isn't the answer you're looking for because the input was wrong.
So, just like your attempted use of a calculator, the maths behind their workings is entirely sound and accurate but the input was wrong, but in their scenario was 'correct' at the time to the best of all parties involved knowledge.
I think you're mixing the accuracy in terms of where the plane actually is, to the accuracy of their calculations and equations.
They are two different things.
The new area is still based off their workings - but with better input.
So that no one knows they've killed themselves, especially in a culture where suicide is a huge sin and would have a bad stigma not just on himself, but his family as well?
And this mystery surrounding his death isn't already a huge stigma on him, his family, and his country?
Nah doesn't make sense. If you have decided to commit suicide by taking a whole plane down killing 200+ innocents along with you, you are way beyond the point of caring about "stigma" that your family might deal with.
SilkAir Flight 185
SniperHunter
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Egypt Air 990 as well. In that case the co pilot wanted to kill the guy who demoted him
My point being that the SilkAir pilot made attempts to complicate the investigation by disabling CVR and FDR. He also presumably thought that the black boxes might not survive the impact.
Another report from Australia's public broadcaster said the plane identified a fishing buoy amongst the debris.
Japanese tsunami?
Betta Lines
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If this new area is more likely to be where the plane crashed, does that mean the hundreds of pieces of debris they spotted over the past few days in the first area just show that the oceans are incredibly dirty?
GHG
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Apparently it's in an area that's a popular shipping route.
I for one am not convinced that anyone has a clue where this plane is at the moment.
Dreams-Visions
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They don't, but they are trying. In the end, we may not find it until a random boat floats by some wreckage months from now. It's a bigass ocean and who knows what additional course changes or speed changes may have occurred at the end that could be putting these searches off by hundreds or thousands of miles. With limited search time due to fuel capacity, I have 0 expectations something will be found anytime soon.
ThatGuyAgain
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CNN showed a recent time lapse of currents in the Indian Ocean this morning and from the look of it, even if they find something floating from the plane, parts of the plane may be scattered around a large area. The currents were all over the place going in every direction.
I do hope they at least find a part of the plane so that the families can have a little bit of closure. I have a feeling that it will take a long time before a definitive explanation can be made though.
I do hope they at least find a part of the plane so that the families can have a little bit of closure. I have a feeling that it will take a long time before a definitive explanation can be made though.
Probably because not enough americans on board.
The planes they're using can't take off/land on a carrier I believe
GungHo
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Because a carrier requires a fleet of follower ships and you'd be deploying them and their thousands of crew out into the middle of one of the least strategic parts of the globe.
Are you kidding me with this stuff? Twenty six countries are / were involved.
Seriously? Mods please. These people are probably DEAD for your sarcastic dribble.
The US did pull the 7th fleet from spending more time because they thought it was "inefficient." I think they have 1 plane searching now. This search is costing millions.
It's also unlikely that China would be spending so many millions and having the largest search force if it didn't have so many Chinese on board.
Aprreciate that - but as you imply there's more than America that has the capacity to search. If it were nearer American soil I don't doubt an equal number of countries would offer support. Territory and nationality just isn't relevant here.
Its in a distinctly non-American place to search - so the snarky 'he he American comments' aren't appreciated. I equally appreciate GAF will occasionally make black humoured comments to which I also do. Its just that one wasn't funny.
The Seventh Fleet is available and was participating initially. They're in as good of a position as Chinese ships.
Wait. They supposedly had a fairly "accurate" search area, based on loads of data and super new awesome calculations, plus loads of satellite pics from three different countries showing lots of potential debris, and now without having actually checked that area they're shifting 1000km to the north because "they redid the maths".
Seriously?
Seriously?
Delta Assault
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They forgot to carry the 1.
You know how someone may put a dog house together and they forget to switch a wall around because I don't know they're human well maybe something like that is prone to happen but on a larger scale because we're not a perfect species.
SniperHunter
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yes you are correct. both pilots made similar moves, suicide was readily apparent in the egypt air case though, since that pathetic idiot didn't turn anything off.
Some new information came to light, to do with assumed air speed and fuel load.
Given there were assumptions made by Immarsat in the first place, it's not surprising that the new information significantly altered their analysis, leading to a completely different proposed search area.
andthebeatgoeson
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Debris in the ocean is not new. They have found a shit ton on satellite imagery that has not panned out with ships in the area. We have to assume much of this is trash that sinks and floats over time.
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