Dorsal Axe
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I've heard that in some serious situations the crew may turn it all off to conserve power. As unlikely as it is, maybe they were hit with a double whammy of power problems and fire?
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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I've heard that in some serious situations the crew may turn it all off to conserve power. As unlikely as it is, maybe they were hit with a double whammy of power problems and fire?
Debris has been spotted east of Ho Chi Minh
This looks like it imo.
Fjolle
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That can happen when the phone is roaming. The ringing tone doesn't indicate that the phone is ringing or turned on.
Fjolle
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WTF? whyalwaysme.jpg
breakfuss
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Wow. How could a phone ring if it was fully submerged under water? This just continues to mystify me, man.
Nope thats images from earlier today with the orange object I believe they debunked it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=103793867
AFAIK they are built to float if intact.
I guess it's possible.
Two rara and unrelated incidents at the same time is insanely unlikely. Remember that the chance is multiplied so if each is 1 in a thousand both together would be 1 in a million. It would be way worse when you factor in the slim amount of time both could have occurred in and that they are much rarer than 1 in a thousand. It's possible, but then an explosion that no one caught (could be unrelated failure...) is more likely.
Whatever dropped the communication is very likely also the cause of the incident.
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I don't see that taking out all communication or being done without any warning. The crew would want rescue missions to find them in that case. Also:
Is it possible for plane to land "safely" on the ocean and just sink like in the old movie ?
Very unlikely. This plane was a 35,000 feet when contact was lost. If they went down, they went down hard.
Depends on the aircraft and what happens. A lot of Airbus planes are designed to float for long enough to evacuate everyone and even have switches to close everything along the bottom to slow water ingress but:
- I don't know if Boeing include those design considerations
- It still wouldn't be completely watertight and would sink eventually
- Emergency water landings often result in structural damage, sinking the plane a lot faster
I'm well aware of the odds. I'm just trying to point out that it is a possibility however report, because if we forget that then we might fall into the trap of deciding that none of the likely explanations make sense, therefore the situation makes no sense.
aeroslash
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Is it possible for plane to land "safely" on the ocean and just sink like in the old movie ?
Not really...the sea should have to be veeery calmed, and even then it would be difficult
The only situation i can think of is in case of an emergency electric configuration when the engines stop working. After that you would switch the APU on to regain the electric power, and even between that time, you would have communications 'cause at least one radio is plugged to the emergency electrical bar.
can't be, there is no cell towers in the ocean
As others have said above, modern passenger jets regularly lose contact (see 'datlink') and sometimes have to use other aircraft as communication relays.
It's not out of the question that the plane executed an emergency landing of sorts (or even successfully landed at some remote location), but I agree all evidence - of lack of it - at the moment points to a sudden event like an explosion or rapid descent.
The weird part is that they hang up after a couple of rings, so it's much more likely that it's a telecom relay thing and the phones are not actually ringing.
The fact that not a lot of info is being found is not actually indicative of a mystery. Consider that the plane went down because of a reason that powerful people (business or government) would find incredibly damaging, I.e. blatantly ignored safety standards by the airline.
In that scenario, I could definitely see the resulting answers being very, very carefully released to the media and public.
Nah, just kidding, it's aliens.
In that scenario, I could definitely see the resulting answers being very, very carefully released to the media and public.
Nah, just kidding, it's aliens.
FlutterPuffs
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Ahahahah.
Dorsal Axe
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That's a point. I forgot there were no alerts before it vanished.
Nah, it's dirt on the window if you look closely.
TheDude108
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Did you forget the RAT?
I think you can track last cell tower they were connected to. There aren't many out at sea.
Aad
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Doesn't GPS work off a satellite navigation system though?
Aad
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Oh, I see. Thanks.
Really. WTF is wrong with you.....have some respect for the people who may have lost their lives.
Although, it is looking grim I am still hoping for a good outcome.
Slayer-33
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Holy shit
Not the time mate.
aeroslash
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Did you forget the RAT?
I think you can track last cell tower they were connected to. There aren't many out at sea.
?? Yeah, the RAT is what gives you power in case of an EEC. So?
not the time for this.
DoYouEvenLift?
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Is it possible for plane to land "safely" on the ocean and just sink like in the old movie ?
This picture is terrifying.
I feel so awful being intrigued by all this. I can't imagine what the families of the passengers must be feeling like, but I can't help feeling like this is all fascinating. I'd love for this to have some sort of unbelievable happy ending (emergency landing in the ocean, stranded on some sort of island, eventually found...) but I think that scenario is exceedingly unlikely.
Chittagong
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Indeed logic would point to a rapid explosion / descent, so quick and surprising that no signal or indication of trouble could have been sent.
The real mystery is that why is that rubble not in the expected place. Or more accurately, why would the plane have diverted of the route before the split second catastrophic failure caught them by surprise, and done so without sending out any problem signals, maydays or notices of diverting from planned route.
Sickboy007
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Fucking Balotelli at it again.
footfunghi
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I'm about to board my flight, I really shouldn't be reading this thread, lol.
I can feel you. I'm going to fly to Saigon in a few days and i was already scared of flying before this incident happened
I am always so stressed before going on a plane that i cannot do anything productive even days prior to the actual flight.
OT:
They state the person is not from Xinjiang!
Consider a career in engineering.
If it's any consolation, even if this happened once a week the chances of it happening to your flight would be over a 600,000-to-1I can feel you. I'm going to fly to Saigon in a few days and i was already scared of flying before this incident happened
I am always so stressed before going on a plane that i cannot do anything productive even days prior to the actual flight.
http://www.flixxy.com/scheduled-airline-flights-worldwide.htm
lastflowers
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They often have both, but that's a moot point.
Even if your cell phone knew exactly where it was through GPS, there aren't any Cell Towers to upload the information to.
GPS only works one way, so it can't be used for the cell phone to update the global knowledge of its positioning. It can only help the cell phone with the positioning of itself.
Sectorseven
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Maybe I watch too many movies, but could it have been some kind of freak accident (or if terrorism, deliberate) EMP?
Betta Lines
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If the plane is in the sea, even if some phones are floating on the surface as part of a mess of debris, they wouldn't get any signal, right?
Can someone explain how it is possible to get a ringing tone in that situation?
Can someone explain how it is possible to get a ringing tone in that situation?
Aad
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So they confirmed that one of the passengers with a stolen Passport is Uighur. The press will jump on this
What? Do you have a source?
It'll be mandatory in the EU by 2017 and the US by 2020. Even then that's mostly for efficiency reasons. You'd never be able to rush it for accident investigation reasons because the week of mystery every few years is cheaper, and people rarely survive this sort of incident anyway.
It's certainly technically possible. At a guess I'd say it's not done due to concerns about the device being carried too far away from the wreckage.
EDIT: Also you'd need a mechanism to eject it from the wreckage. Which is a massive problem if it ever malfunctions in flight.
footfunghi
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Yes yes, im also always saying this to myself. But then i read news about flight accidents (And this was the second big crash within months - the other one being a flight from Moscow to Tartastan). The problem with statistics is that they're are of no use to those actually involved (victims and relatives).
And there is no excuse in the world which is able to ease the pain the relatives have to endure.
because they are heavy and such device would be wreck on a crash, the alternative of putting such device on the box would create a fragility point on the box, endangering the data security
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