Buddha Beam
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That's what I'm starting to think might have happened (or at least WAS the plan). Someone might have ganked the biggest plane they could with the intent to take it and crash it into something some day.
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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Well if it was one of the pilots; they could have easily just made an announcement to turn off all cell phones and electronic devices for (insert made up reason here). I'm sure people would have complied without knowing his intentions.
If (big if) the plane landed someplace, it's possible the pilot could have put on a show for everyone throughout the whole flight. Explaining turbulence or why the flight was taking longer than expected.
I mean think, if you are on a plane you sort of implicitly trust the pilot/co-pilot. And if he's saying you need to turn off your cell, or that for some reason the plane was diverted to a different airport or whatever else, you're not probably going to raise a fuss to question his decisions.
Kuro Madoushi
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There are a lot of Chinese nationals on that plane. Kim Jong Un is not stupid; he knows china is the only thing keeping the rest of the world from tearing DPRK apart.
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Ace Harding
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It's a good question. If you are taking hostages or making a statement you'd want people to know. Which is why not knowing is almost more troubling. Are they still planning something?
Not that I think any of this happened, but if you fly above the plane's recommended altitude, you stress the engines which could cause a flameout. One way to restart the engines is to do a windmill restart which would require diving down far and fast enough to restart the engines. See Pinnacle Airlines Flight 3701: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinnacle_Airlines_Flight_3701
I read somewhere that at that altitude the passengers' oxygen masks wouldn't do anything as the pressure gradient would've been too high. You'd need high pressure oxygen masks.
See my links above... a separatist group claimed responsibility early in the week but it was dismissed by officials as a hoax.
So if it was a hijacking which seems pretty likely given it was deliberate action, and the two flight paths given by Najib today, one being north west near china/krgyzstan it could very well be the chinese separatist group from early on in the week.
In the article it says that they wanted to respond to china's persecution of minority groups. They claimed to have killed everyone.
teruterubozu
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That seems to be the million dollar question.
Catchpenny
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Good point, although after pulling a David Copperfield with a 777, acquiring jet fuel suddenly doesn't seem that crazy.
It's rated to cruise as high as 43000 and the plane manufacturers are a bit conservative with those. I don't think it's impossible that they were at FL450, but like you I don't see the point. Probably an error.
Also, while less safe, I thought it was actually easier on a jet's mileage to fly at high altitudes, as there's less turbulance and more of a temperature difference. Yet I keep seeing people state that they'd burn a lot of fuel at that altitude. Is it the climb itself that would burn this fuel?
That's what I can't stop asking myself
I'll see what my dad has to say about this whole thing. He's a fighter pilot by the way.
That was an avalanche of dumbassery.
FlutterPuffs
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13 countries are assisting with experts from the US coming in to help with the investigation. If they want to keep their findings a secret it would mean they'll incur the wrath of 12 countries, and a large part of em neighbouring countries.
What help are they refusing again?
Interpol.
Re: ceilings
The FAA/others define the maximum per aircraft(you can look it up on their site). That doesn't mean the plane couldn't actually go higher(even if it had issues with flight controls at a higher altitude), just that it's not "allowed".
See:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...8F760532478D923286257C6A00631141?OpenDocument for various 777 models.
The FAA/others define the maximum per aircraft(you can look it up on their site). That doesn't mean the plane couldn't actually go higher(even if it had issues with flight controls at a higher altitude), just that it's not "allowed".
See:
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...8F760532478D923286257C6A00631141?OpenDocument for various 777 models.
FlutterPuffs
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Can't believe I missed that.
That's interesting, maybe because they want to exhaust every possible lead before concluding it could be a hijacking or terrorism attack? It's something they should answer.
Maybe the plan all along was to simply take control of the aircraft, land undetected in an unknown location and never claim responsibility. We might never know who did it or why they did it but the fact that they were able to do it is terrifying.
j_k_redtail
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China and India has to have radar along its borders to catch a 777 coming over land.
So do the Australians. From the Airliners.net thread:
(Incidentally, when you look at that map it's pretty clear where the Australians defense concerns lie.)
Sure, they underestimate the Kiwis now, but just wait...
aeroslash
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It's not because you will stress the engines...it's because of the coffin corner. If you go higher at a given speed, there's a possibility of high speed stall, and every feet you climb, the low speed stall also raises, so in the end you can have an aircraft too close to the two stalls.
It is. It's much better to go high cause the air is less dense and you need less fuel to burn. In this long flights you start with a moderate cruising altitude and then you go climbing every now and then until you get to your recomended cruise.
There are many types of ceilings. The service ceiling it's not a structural limit but it's very difficult to reach because the rate of climb is very low, evenmore at that weight.
Where else would it be? The Kiwis are hardly going to invade any time soon and last time I checked, the Penguin Empire of Antarctica hasn't exactly begun mobilizing (even if diplomatic relations, as always, remain cold)
Sectorseven
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To avoid radar coverage, at least civilian, is their range public information or would it take someone on the inside to know that sort of thing?
Cute, but I'm guessing you haven't seen Batman Returns.
Australia lays claim to the majority of Antartica that is to the south of the Australian mainland extending to the South Pole and New Zealand is basically an autonomous state of Australia anyway.
In regards to this plane, the whole SAR operation has been a clusterfuck of incompetence and i have no position on what might have happened to the plane. There's just no reasonable conclusion that can be made from the constantly changing and conflicting information they put out. I'll be interested in finding out what really happened if they manage to eventually locate the plane, but for now, I'm just bewildered at how much longer this thing might drag out for.
Might as well expect them to eventually bring out a map of the entire world shaded in and announce "We have reasonable cause to believe the plane can be found somewhere in this shaded region."
Cereal KiIIer
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You Are Viewtiful
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Why would they kill fellow Muslim Malaysians?
Not saying I support any hypothesis, but to answer your question, why do suicide bombers detonate in places that'd probably kill a few of their fellow ethnic race/religion/etc?
MMBosstones86
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So they are going with the hijacking route? wow. Glad you guys are posting the maps here...CNN showed a 'possible location' map and I think they just showed the whole Earth.
DoktorEvil
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I can't keep up with the news and conspiracies in this thread.
Exactly what has been determined as fact? If this was a hijacking, did anyone openly take responsibility for the hijack? Were demands made?
Exactly what has been determined as fact? If this was a hijacking, did anyone openly take responsibility for the hijack? Were demands made?
The article says a Chinese separatist group called the Chinese martyr brigade claimed responsibility. In the email they also said they were sorry it had other passengers on board and wished it was 100% Chinese.
That's if u believe the email is legit.
Betta Lines
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Hijack is not confirmed.
DoktorEvil
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Then what is confirmed?
Betta Lines
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That there were some deliberate actions.
Ace Harding
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Basically nothing about how or why the plane disappeared is confirmed.
TWO transponders were manually turned off and the Maylasian PM said that the plane deliberately went off course.
I think it is is safe to say it was hijacked. By whom, we don't know. Could've been the flight crew, flight crew under duress or someone from the passenger cabin at the flight controls.
Betta Lines
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It seems likely, but that is not enough to confirm.
That it's not mechanical failure, as such the transponder and comms were deliberately turned off.
People are leaping out and as such indicating this is consequently a hijack. ,Unless I'm missing some information though, technically this doesn't prove anything. A series of events occurred that resulted in the comms being turned off and a change in directions.
The absence of A and B doesn't necessary mean it's C in this case. Hijack would explain it true, but that raises a hell of a lot more questions than it answers.
It's not true that nothing has been confirmed. We know for a fact now that both the Transponder and Communications were cut deliberately, right when the plane flew in-between Malaysian and Chinese airspace.
The plane then turned back and set a new course, and proceeded to follow that for another 7 hours before all trace was lost.
Everything else is speculation.
The plane then turned back and set a new course, and proceeded to follow that for another 7 hours before all trace was lost.
Everything else is speculation.
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