So if the plane has landed intact shouldn't 200+ mobile phones be contactable? If it was highjacked mid flight I can't imagine that no one would attempt to make contact or that 200+ phones could be seized by highjackers. If the theory that the passengers were disabled at 40,000 ft are true would those in control sift through belongings and switch off every mobile device on the aircraft after landing?
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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mercenar1e
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why don't airlines have a tracking system that can't be turned off by anyone in the cockpit?
I think hijackers would be on top of stuff like that. The hijackers have been one step ahead of everyone in the public.
Not if you're landing in the middle of nowhere.
There's 239 people on board... and its probably flying over country side or in mountainous regions. I don't see why you have to shoot it down unless it was going to cause more civilian deaths. If the terrorist demanded he wanted free passage somewhere, China could have escorted the plane there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyzstan#Airports
So there are probably a few abandoned airports there where the plane could have landed.
If it was the Xinjiang province separatists group, that would provide the necessary manpower to take over the aircraft. Guessing radar doesn't work that well over the Himalayas.
So there are probably a few abandoned airports there where the plane could have landed.
If it was the Xinjiang province separatists group, that would provide the necessary manpower to take over the aircraft. Guessing radar doesn't work that well over the Himalayas.
teruterubozu
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Who knows. Perhaps they want to "arm" the plane. Scary shit.
Possibly. Rig it with something.
Mind you, this is just speculation I've seen on Twitter, so don't take it seriously.
Not unless there is a government complicit in it.
....Hey, we're well beyond the point of writing possibilities off.
Hoya Destroyer
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I would think that if a plane were to be hijacked these days, the hijacker/s would need to sit close to the cockpit so they could gain access quickly (when the flight attendant goes in) and take over the plane, before any of the passengers can put up any kind of resistance.
After 911, I dont think most passengers would just sit there and hope for the best (I can only imagine what the 911 cockroaches told those poor passengers)
After 911, I dont think most passengers would just sit there and hope for the best (I can only imagine what the 911 cockroaches told those poor passengers)
GHG
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Just caught up on this situation.
This is nuts. How can a plane fly that far over land undetected?
And wow at the amount of abandoned airstrips in that country. I hope the passengers are still alive somehow and can be saved.
Someone, somewhere knows exactly what's going on here and that's sickening.
This is nuts. How can a plane fly that far over land undetected?
And wow at the amount of abandoned airstrips in that country. I hope the passengers are still alive somehow and can be saved.
Someone, somewhere knows exactly what's going on here and that's sickening.
teruterubozu
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Anything's possible. But I can't imagine China would engage in covert hostage negotiations while the hundreds of families remain oblivious.
choodi
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Surely the batteries are flat by now?
teruterubozu
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Flying is scary.
GHG
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If the mobiles were indeed on about 4/5 hours after then they need to get in touch with the mobile phone networks to find out what country the phones were last detected in.
that's weird, considering that Interpol is just an institution that facilitate communications between polices of different countries and gather information to make them available for every police in the world. So why would they want to get in the investigation?
Ace Harding
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I think people are overestimating the radar tracking ability of a lot of these countries, and/or their likelihood to notice and react if a passenger jet was flying along a normal route at cruising altitude in the early morning hours. We are talking about possibly Myanmar, Bhutan, flying over the Himalayas and into the very remote desert in Xinjiang. And the plane wasn't detected at the time it was flying in an extremely densely populated area. Yeah there is stuff in the flight path to detect it but somebody has to be paying attention.
I don't think it's at all inconceivable that this plane flew into and over China undetected.
I don't think it's at all inconceivable that this plane flew into and over China undetected.
Maybe now but the aircraft would have been on the ground for days. Could be a few "dumb phones" with week long standby times. Perhaps when relatives were ringing phones on the first day they were actually connecting?
Slayer-33
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Plane heights aren't scary imo. You can't see shit down below
I have a severe case of acrophobia, where I can't even tolerate being on the second floor of a shopping mall. I don't have a particular fear of flying other than some trepidation during landing and I play around with flight sims as well.
Slayer-33
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If true the could have killed everyone at that height
Well it's mostly significant because at that altitude, people would not be able to breathe if the cabin was depressurized. Although the oxygen masks would fall for the passengers, it wouldn't actually matter since it wouldn't be sufficient at that altitude. And even if it WAS sufficient, it'd only last for 15 minutes. Thus, if the pilots got to that altitude, they would deprive the passengers of oxygen and kill them or render them unconscious.
It's also significant because it's above the plane's recommended (and I believe maximum) flying altitude. I imagine it'd also burn a TON of fuel going to that altitude and maintaining it.
how though?
cabin depressurisation? I thought the cabin was protected from outside pressures?
At that altitude your body of deprived oxygen because the air is too thin. Also, the aircraft wasn't made to fly at that flight level and could possibly fall out of the sky (stall).
Not if you have an oxygen mask.
Ace Harding
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I thought the 45,000 feet thing was probably a glitch and it was detected at 25,000 feet a minute later? Could you descend 20,000 feet in a minute and regain control?
No but they could fly high enough for long enough to cause hypoxia, the mask can only produce oxygen for 12 minutes
so thats an if then... so the pilot would actually have to depressurise the cabin. and if he didn't then the passengers would still be ok?
makes sense if the pilot wanted to knock them out in a hurry and maybe thats why it went up to 45,000 feet before coming back down to 20,000 feet and then continuing on its way.
jufonuk
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Last night's developments:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/t/v...ate-act-steer-plane-off-22923463?from=related
thats why my favourite flights are in prop planes.
they needed you on that plane.
lol using my avatar again on this thread is a landmark
No. You'd practically have to be in a nosedive.
Ultra Magnus
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Could anyone answer why the Malaysian government is being so hush hush about everything? Why are they refusing everybody's help?
aeroslash
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What the hell?
The 45000 feet is remarkable because it's above the aircraft service ceiling, it's difficult and dangerous to get up there. Stop with the decompression stupidity.
Why would anyone go to FL450 to do that if they were flying at 350 and a decompression there would do exactly the same?
I think that's only an error on the satellite reading.
The 45000 feet is remarkable because it's above the aircraft service ceiling, it's difficult and dangerous to get up there. Stop with the decompression stupidity.
Why would anyone go to FL450 to do that if they were flying at 350 and a decompression there would do exactly the same?
I think that's only an error on the satellite reading.
Ace Harding
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Only things I can think of are:
A) Arm plane as a weapon for terrorism
B) Take hostages somewhere (also terrorism)
C) Pilot totally lost his mind and acted alone.
C actually seems the least likely because of how coordinated and planned this appears. However, terrorism seems weird because nobody is claiming responsibility. But maybe that's because it isn't over yet?
Really scary thought - what if they suspect it was hijacked and brought over land but they don't find it after weeks, months, a year and it's still out there somewhere?
i agree with this...
A group did claim responsibility but it was dismissed by officials as a hoax
http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/terror-group-chinese-martyrs-brigade-claims-missing-flight-was-payback-officials-label-it-hoax/story-fnizu68q-1226851032980
EDIT:Here's another
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20140310000042
It also confirms they killed everyone on board. possibly a crash...
also they wanted to condemn the Malaysian government for cruel persecution. Are they talking about Anwar???
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