maniac-kun
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Could the plane have landed?
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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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Betta Lines
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Unlikely, but possible.
Ether_Snake
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What would happen if the airplane was landed to be used as a weapon later?
Let's say it takes off to aim at the US at night, and tried to follow the path of another known airplane. Eventually someone will have to contact both airplanes if both are visible on the radars, in which case both planes would say they are the same one. If suspicion arises, fighter jets would be dispatched, and only then could they look at the plane to try and identify them through their markings, unless said markings have been redone to match the real plane. You are left with trying to look through the windows to see if people are on board, what else could be done to determine which is the real plane?
Let's say it takes off to aim at the US at night, and tried to follow the path of another known airplane. Eventually someone will have to contact both airplanes if both are visible on the radars, in which case both planes would say they are the same one. If suspicion arises, fighter jets would be dispatched, and only then could they look at the plane to try and identify them through their markings, unless said markings have been redone to match the real plane. You are left with trying to look through the windows to see if people are on board, what else could be done to determine which is the real plane?
Slurpy2k20
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No, none of what you stated is 100% known as fact. It's still just speculation. The fact that those were DELIBERATELY cut, and that the plane turned back, are both just assumptions.
Bam Bam Baklava
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You been watching too many movies.
Screams hijack bro.
Also, if you haven't noticed, this thread is a thread of speculation.
What are you talking about?
maniac-kun
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What if they kept the people.
Slurpy2k20
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That's.. umm...wow. No. You don't fly a 777 across the planet to take aim at the US. We're still in the real world here, not an over the top hollywood movie, which still wouldn't go there.
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That doesn't make sense, they could easily tell the flight attendants to do something like walk around and such. I think there's a limit to being able to keep hundreds of people on board + a fake crew.
edit: Also maybe the people on board the flight managed to take out the pilot, but were then left with no way to communicate or pilot the plane.
Why wouldn't terrorists do that? They have trouble in secure airports, so they steal a plane elsewhere.
Slurpy2k20
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What am I talking about? Do you know the meaning of "confirmed"? How the hell can you confirm intention/deliberation at this point? The assumption that it was deliberate might be a logical one that stems from the timing, but it is in no way, shape, or form "confirmed".
GlamFM
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I was wondering if someone would post that lol.
I'm pretty sure that there's not confirmation that anything was deliberately cut, only that it's most likely that things were deliberately cut. I'm in the camp that thinks they were deliberately cut, but I'm not going to say that it's fact until it's proven to be true.
Deliberate actions WERE taken, however, and that's in regards to the plane's movements.
Slurpy2k20
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So they steal a plane from literally the other side of the world? You don't think they'd try for something just a BIT closer, if the plan is to attack the US with it? Come on, grow up.
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Right, the only confirmed information is that:
- Transponder(s) were disengaged as the aircraft crossed over from Malaysia to Chinese(?) airspace. This is where the craft originally disappeared. It is now believed that these systems were shut down manually and deliberately, not by accident or mechanical failure.
- Aircraft turned around from its original flight path, back through Malaysia, over upper Indonesian islands, and turned again on a northernish trajectory towards mainland ~India. This was confirmed by radar. Essentially the aircraft was still in flight when it was reported mission (when this thread was made). The altered flight path had to have been deliberate movement by whoever was flying.
What we don't know
- If the transponder(s) were turned off manually for sure, even if it seems likely.
- Who turned off the transponder(s).
- Who was flying the aircraft.
- Its intended destination, if it had any.
- If it's since been landed or cashed.
So while hijacking is certainly a possibility, moreso now than the very first report of its disappearance, it cannot be "confirmed" regardless of likelihood as such data does not exist.
- Transponder(s) were disengaged as the aircraft crossed over from Malaysia to Chinese(?) airspace. This is where the craft originally disappeared. It is now believed that these systems were shut down manually and deliberately, not by accident or mechanical failure.
- Aircraft turned around from its original flight path, back through Malaysia, over upper Indonesian islands, and turned again on a northernish trajectory towards mainland ~India. This was confirmed by radar. Essentially the aircraft was still in flight when it was reported mission (when this thread was made). The altered flight path had to have been deliberate movement by whoever was flying.
What we don't know
- If the transponder(s) were turned off manually for sure, even if it seems likely.
- Who turned off the transponder(s).
- Who was flying the aircraft.
- Its intended destination, if it had any.
- If it's since been landed or cashed.
So while hijacking is certainly a possibility, moreso now than the very first report of its disappearance, it cannot be "confirmed" regardless of likelihood as such data does not exist.
LanceVance
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If the plane was hijacked by terrorists and succesfully landed, to be used later on, wouldn't they have to refuel? Depending on how far they've flown, lets say they were in the air for another 4 hours before they landed, surely the plane can't have much fuel left?
The Maylasian PM said it was deliberately turned off. How is that not 100% fact? They would've have the highest ranking official go to a press conference and put that information out there if it wasn't true.
You Are Viewtiful
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Usually because it's related to the struggle in some way e.g. Al-Qaeda bombing other Muslims because they believe Muslim countries are supporting Western troops. Or Lakshar-e-Taiba (sp?) bombing Shias because they are seen as Ayatollah-friendly. I can't tell what Malaysia has to do with Xinjiang. Only way it's possible is if the pilot was sympathetic to their cause, which seems pretty unlikely.
well there'd be no real way to get it to the states. it's a bad plan for a group of people who would otherwise have to be very good at planning.
Ether_Snake
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Err that's assuming it's heading for the states, could be anywhere else really.
Two transponders. One on the flight deck and the other one down below.
I addressed this a few pages ago in a few posts, but I'll post the gist of it here:
Everything below this point is a copy and paste of a previous post I made:
That's not true.
http://macsblog.com/2011/06/your-not-so-secret-id-number/
PPRUNE discussed this a while back:
Starts at http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/535538-malaysian-airlines-mh370-contact-lost-140.html and goes for a few pages after that:
[Fake-Edit: I posted another quote a few pages back that says that the Mode S code is transmitted via the transponders and you can't change it so ATC would be able to figure out which plane is legit pretty fast]
well, you asked why terrorists wouldnt do this: "You don't fly a 777 across the planet to take aim at the US."
The plane's gone and contact was cut off manually. That's about it.
There wasn't enough fuel to make it that far. If they wanted to do that, they would've hijacked a plane that's heading somewhere close to the US and not directly for it, then hijacked the plane halfway there.
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So I guess it wouldn't be difficult to know the plane is pretending to be another plane.
I think right now the most likely scenario is that the hijacker(s) turned off the communications system, possibly in a way that makes them impossible to be turned back on, then the staff and people on board figured the plane was hijacked and managed to take control back, but had no way of communicating anymore or even knowing where they were. That would possibly explain the erratic flight path. Why would you fly back southwest, then northwest?
Catchpenny
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"But based on what is already known about the flights trajectory, investigators are strongly favoring the southern corridor as the likely flight path, the person said. The U.S. Navy would not be heading toward Kazakhstan, the person said."
Rather curious why they think this, since the last known radar detection had the plane going north of west headed for the Andamans. If it's just based on assuming military radar would spot the jet, I do not believe that completely overrides the last known direction, and the likelyhood that a person able to pilot the plane would want to head towards land.
Machspeed007
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Has this been posted yet?
One of the pilots home sim.
One of the pilots home sim.
JohnTinker
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Impressive rig.
teruterubozu
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Are all the controls touchscreen pads? That's pretty incredible.
BlazingDarkness
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The transponders and communication were deliberately cut, that much is certain. Who did it? Why did they do it? We don't know, but it's not a case of malfunction, the loss of contact was through manual intervention, we don't know the cause behind it but it does make the search a hell of a lot more difficult.
The worries of it being used to ride a nuke into the US are absurd, however.
The worries of it being used to ride a nuke into the US are absurd, however.
Didn't we literally have this entire discussion a few pages back?
How does the FAA use the Mode S code over the course of a typical flight? Is it simply used to differentiate planes that are flying closely together? Do they run the code against some database to verify a plane's identity? Is it not used at all?
That's a pretty sweet setup.Has this been posted yet?
One of the pilots home sim.
You should see some of the racing rigs that professional race car drivers have at home.Has this been posted yet?
One of the pilots home sim.
Those are all off-the-shelf Saitek and CH Products flight sim gear. Not unusual in-and-of itself, especially for a pilot.
Do they give pilots psychological evaluations every year? Not saying they were responsible but it got me thinking how so many lives can be on the hands of 2 people. Even crazier is the idea that they can't find it. Yeah earth is huge and all but with all the radar and the plane being huge...
teruterubozu
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Apparently he was a flight sim consultant too, so checked out lots of software. Kinda like a game reviewer.
Just woke up and so much information. I don't know what's confirmed and what's not confirmed. Where's Falk when you need him 
If it's an extremist group then they don't care.
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Totally missed your post. Thanks for the quick update. There's so many questions and I don't think any of them will be answered until the plane is found.
If it's an extremist group then they don't care.
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Totally missed your post. Thanks for the quick update. There's so many questions and I don't think any of them will be answered until the plane is found.
DoktorEvil
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So if these has been the confirmed facts, how is it that we haven't heard from any families of those who were on board that flight and if they tried to make contact with their families? Idk about you guys, but if I was on a hijacked plane I'd be frantically calling family to speak to someone, anyone about what's going on and give up my cell phone signal to track me.
Here you go: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles...TTopStories&fpid=2,7,121,122,201,401,641,1009Just woke up and so much information. I don't know what's confirmed and what's not confirmed. Where's Falk when you need him
If it's an extremist group then they don't care.
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Totally missed your post. Thanks for the quick update. There's so many questions and I don't think any of them will be answered until the plane is found.
If they find some record showing similar courses than the one that happened, it'd be pretty damning.
Too high and far out to sea for mobile communication.
BlazingDarkness
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But it does pose the question, if it did land, then why has no one attempted to use their phones? Which is one of the reasons why I'm certain it crashed into the sea.
j_k_redtail
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Has this been posted yet?
One of the pilots home sim.
Impressive.
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That's a good point.
There are two(three) things you have to take into consideration.
1) At the altitude they're flying it's more than likely that none of the phones have a signal.
2) If they did land somewhere and did not crash, it's more than likely that none of the phones have a signal.
3) Other crazy scenarios where the plane flew at an altitude much higher than 35000 ft knocking out all passengers for the hijackers to take all mobile devices on the passengers.
Thank you.
Imperial Hot
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You know it's a video game forum when everyone stops to note how impressive the guy's flight sim setup is.
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