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Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 ended in the Southern Indian Ocean
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Yeah, that's quite a well-known fact. Here's more about it:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-malaysia-alqaeda-idUSBRE94Q0AB20130527
Having a flight simulator doesn't condemn anyone of anything. I know lots of people who have actual slight simulator set ups at home.
But I do agree the information that we will get from it will be helpful, especially if he has past records from the simulator show similar flight tracks...which I don't know why officials haven't said if there is or not, but just keep everyone speculating. Some incompetence.
Transponders have been known to fail, fo rouge etc like everything else. You may need to turn them off.
The Broken Ska Record
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I'm sure they want to make sure they have the right information before leaking it out to the public. It looks incompetent if they announce something and then later change their mind.
Kenshin001
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Seems both the mastermind Noordin Mohammad Top and the mastermind behind other bombings Azahari bin Husin were Malaysian so it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that Malaysian extremists are involved. 38 Malaysians on board and 7 Indonesians. Would be interested to know about the backgrounds of those people. If Malaysians were involved I imagine it would be very difficult for the Malaysian government.
FlutterPuffs
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That's the reason.
EDIT: The fact that the one who constructed the bombs for the bali attacks was Malaysian was a surprise to many. While we do have people holding extreme viewpoints here (hell, every country has a few) they are a few and between.
I hope it isn't a terrorist plot, and I don't think it's one too.
¯\(°_o)/¯ I give up.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-15vQNFFu6wA/Ux0K-OKC1RI/AAAAAAAAMCE/VWrJfuL2y3k/s1600/passengerlistmas.jpg
Malaysian passenger and cabin crew manifest. Again, not to be racist, but it is very rare comparatively for non-Malays to be Muslims in Malaysia (e.g. all the Chinese names on this manifest), in the sense that it'd be something their families would gossip about hence it'd stick out like a beacon in any investigation.
Also I'm going to reiterate that even that aside, being Muslim isn't a damning factor in the least, especially in Malaysia of all places. Sure, proper investigation into backgrounds of everyone would need to be done but trust me in saying extremist tendencies is something that is so rare that it would be noticed by people around that specific person.
China wont negociation with terrorist.
In 2012 a couple separatists tried to hijack a plane inside china (6 people) they all got stop and brought down by the business class passengers.
Those passengers were all hard core mofos, used barehands to fight the hijackers with knifes.
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-hijacking-reward-2012-7
Read the detail of that hijack attampt.
I wonld argue its not possible to openly hijack a plane after 911. If you can secretly get into the pilot's space you may still hijack it, but by and large its not possible to hijack a plane with 200 passenger no matter what weapon you have. People are not going to give a fuck if you hold some one as hostage. They will still rush and overwhelm the hijackers.
http://english.astroawani.com/news/show/no-way-mh370-flew-north-indian-traffic-controller-31937
Indian reps are claiming MH370 could not have flown over their airspace. If true/to be believed that narrows down the northern corridor a fair bit.
Indian reps are claiming MH370 could not have flown over their airspace. If true/to be believed that narrows down the northern corridor a fair bit.
That's why it would be better to have the pilot and co-pilot as the hijackers. Everything will be calm because no one would suspect a thing.
Not saying that happened in this case.
Adam Scott Aukerman
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It actually sounds like they're trying to conduct a responsible investigation. The media and the public does not have a right to demand this information be released as soon as it's discovered, nor should they expect it to be.
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Flimsy article at best and scaremongoring Australians yet again, not surprised its from The Age. I mean the above quote doesn't even make sense - why blow the cockpit door when the pilot was 'ready to act'...
And there's a massive urge by western media trying to associate any terrorist act with Muslims in general. As Falk said the term they should be using is extremist or radical. All ethnic Malays are Muslims so they are putting all Malays under the same umbrella. The way the article opens - "Evidence of a plot by Malaysian Islamists to hijack a passenger jet...." is just wrong. *sigh*
That really depends on the situation and who's on board and what weapons they have. Lets say they have a bunch of knifes... we all know what happened at Kunming, and if you don't think you can win you stay put. It really depends. I wonder what type of answer you would get if you polled GAF.
I think the pilot is in on it... he flew the perfect flight... I don't know how hard that is, but if someone could do it, it would be him. He's had a lot of flight hours.
DoktorEvil
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God, some of these theories are sounding like bad episodes of 24.
I really hope that when it's said and done, this plane was not a deliberate hijacking. Knowing that a jet has disappeared on radar is the scariest thing to this story.
I really hope that when it's said and done, this plane was not a deliberate hijacking. Knowing that a jet has disappeared on radar is the scariest thing to this story.
The difference are in the train station, everyone is running away from the attackers (who have really large knifes.) On a plane you know you are not going to live if the hijackers have control of the plane. There is no point to not rush the hijackers.
Plus on a plane there is no space to use a cold weapon effectively. Anywhere you stand some passenger can be sitting next to you and can pull your arms and legs.
AtomicShroom
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If the pilot did it, why didn't the co-pilot intervene? This suggests that the co-pilot was in on it too, or that the pilot managed to swiftly take out the co-pilot somehow. Any ideas on if/how that could have happened?
The only way I can think of where this happens while both pilots are conscious is that they are being threatened by someone else.
Also I wonder what it must have been like for the rest of the crew. The flight attendants must have immediately picked up on the plane diverting from its intended path, trying to contact the pilot for explanations, to no avail...
The only way I can think of where this happens while both pilots are conscious is that they are being threatened by someone else.
Also I wonder what it must have been like for the rest of the crew. The flight attendants must have immediately picked up on the plane diverting from its intended path, trying to contact the pilot for explanations, to no avail...
I just remembered that Malaysia Airlines flights let you watch the flight-path in real time on the screens in the back of the chairs. Passengers would've realised something was up very quickly.
Re: Flipping a switch to turn the transponder off. If you ever need to turn it off due to malfunction etc you don't want to have to go and physically disconnect it somewhere. In the grand scheme it's far more risky to not have a switch.
Re: Flipping a switch to turn the transponder off. If you ever need to turn it off due to malfunction etc you don't want to have to go and physically disconnect it somewhere. In the grand scheme it's far more risky to not have a switch.
Clearly he's orchestrating the whole thing
Laughing Banana
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Damn.
Becoming suspects just because they're Malaysians and Indonesians.
As an Indonesian, the way you phrase this post kind of tick me off, but eh, whatever.
Kenshin001
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The pilot they are referring to is part of the Malaysian terror cell who would over power or kill the airline pilot flying the plane. Not sure what is so wrong about the title, given they are both Malaysian and Islamists. Extremist is pretty vague, German far right extremists? Indian Hindu extremists?
I don't think it's an urge by the media to associate any terrorist act with Muslims in general, there is very good reason to investigate any links with Islamic fundamentalists given what's happened in the past, especially 9/11 and the bombings plotted by Malaysian Islamic extremists.
Sweeney Tom
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It's the likeliest option at this point.
Half-indonesian here, and that doesn't tick me off in the slightest. There are extremist indonesian muslims. One of my mom's childhood friends has a son that is one, and that dude is straight-up scary. He disappeared once for like two years and made all of us wonder wtf he was up to.
Kenshin001
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Given Badat said the cell was made up of Malaysians seems logical to check the Malaysians on board. We also know Malaysians and Indonesians worked together in Jemaah Islamiah, Abu Bakar Bashir lived in Malaysia for 17 years. If someone were to do it I'd imagine it would be JI. But you are right, could be any nationality or motivation at this point.
Slackbladder
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I'm sure Egypt Air Flight 990 which was an obvious suicide/murder by the co-pilot has already been mentioned. But I can't help but feel this is similar. It's easy to lock people out of the cabin. It's happened by accident before and on purpose (Ethiopia Airlines Flight ET702). For me this seems more likely than hijacking. But it's still speculation. We may never know.
I agree that it seems more likely, but it's still difficult to make sense of the events. The co-pilot would have had to incapacitate the captain if the plane flew for 7 hours. I can't imagine the door being locked keeping captain and the crew out for that long and the captain could possible have means of communicating with the outside world even being locked out of the cockpit. If he did manage to incapacitate the captain, did the crew really not notice anything during those 7 hours? I suppose after a certain point it would have been too late to save the plane, but perhaps not too late to re-establish contact with the world. It is very difficult to neatly fit the [assumed] facts into any plausible theory.
USA TODAY has learned that the pilot of the missing Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 had close ties with a Malaysian opposition leader who recently was sentenced to prison on a sodomy charge. Just hours before the flight, the pilot, Zaharie Ahmad Shah, attended a court hearing in the case.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-flight-missing-pilots/6484249/?csp=fbfanpage
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-flight-missing-pilots/6484249/?csp=fbfanpage
That's not a motive to hijack a plane carrying mostly Chinese nationals and then, presumably, crash it into an ocean.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Holy hell. Not sure how to feel about this. Sounds like a nice coincidence.
Slackbladder
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Yeah, a lot still makes little sense. That said one man nearly succeded in killing 3 men and take control of a plane Federal Express Flight 705
But really there is no way of knowing at the moment. I don't see hijackers simply crashing into the sea. Nor do I see the pilots fighting the hijackers as it's far too risky as it could easily lead to a plane crash. Nor was it mechanical failiure. Such systems don't just "fail".
That said why fly for hours if you intend to kill yourself? Doesn't make sense. That would suggest a hijacking. Truly a mystery.
Sectorseven
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I don't know. This, the simulator, it all feels circumstantial to me.
Now admittedly I don't know anything about the pilot, but from descriptions in the news he seems like...a nice guy. 30 years experience, a couple kids, community service, and the erratic series of actions that happened on this plane...just seems out of character.
No, was just making a sarcastic comment, but your deduction of my intent sounds like a Twilight Zone episode or the plane flew into the Matrix. How could a plane be absorbed by a flight sim? Maybe a 'gamecube' from the TV show Reboot surrounded the plane taking it into a flight simulator or other game genre.
teruterubozu
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Ibrahim
He's controversial but I don't see any ties to violence of any kind.
That reads like conformation bias at play.
It's a plane and airline owned by the Malaysian government.
Sure - I understand the implications, as I stated though it's just I really would have expected a public declaration / statement from the guy if that was truly his underlying reasoning / endgame.
You can't be a martyr to a cause if no-one knows about the cause.
Seems odd that the intention wouldn't be just to crash it into some government building then, sending a very public message.
Since there's now talk of the signals being sent while the plane was on the ground and communications being cut manually, there's not many scenarios now.
The pilot(s) cut communications, flew this plane for however many hours, either landed it on a remote island, a private hangar, or in an ocean*.
**Chances of that seem to be going down but still high.
But now how they hide a 777 with almost 300 people for a week without being detected at all? There's 25 countires searching for it and satellites looking at everything. This was either planned perfectly or this was just an one in a million accident which ended up shrouded in mystery.
The pilot(s) cut communications, flew this plane for however many hours, either landed it on a remote island, a private hangar, or in an ocean*.
**Chances of that seem to be going down but still high.
But now how they hide a 777 with almost 300 people for a week without being detected at all? There's 25 countires searching for it and satellites looking at everything. This was either planned perfectly or this was just an one in a million accident which ended up shrouded in mystery.
Miggytronz
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Someone on my Facebook just posted this:
GAF?
GAF?
cartoon_soldier
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Big tin foil hat
Bubble Metropolis
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But sodomy! And opposition!
teruterubozu
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Yeah I read some of that nonsense, including the "cloaking device" that was supposedly triggered.
Miggytronz
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freenudemacusers
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david copperfield made a plane disappear
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