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Man of Steel |OT| It's about action.
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bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Nope, she's an idiot who can't pull a trigger.
greendomo's ghost
Member
This would've been so much better. They tried to up the human stakes by having the whole sequence with
Perry and Jenny, but there was little investment in those characters so I felt that it fell flat. The thing with Zod should've been the last straw, Supes finally realizing that the only way to protect the people was to end it all. The problem was they didn't show any of the other 'straws' that would build up to that
Maninthemirror
Banned
you dont learn to take responsibility when you just took responsibility, he literally saved the entire world while stopping Zod. This is the discussion snyder wanted people to have as to would he want to save people or to stop zod, zod would have kept killing more people if superman didnt stop him
Miles Quaritch
Member
I wondered about this, I realised that he'd
only really been Superman for a few hours and his moral code wasn't as black and white as it's been in the past. Plus he hadn't spent years learning with Jor, so his only real moral compass was the somewhat grey Pa Kent.
"Should I have let them die"? ...."maybe."
and there's the scene where Pa Kent stops him from saving him, which hit me pretty damn hard. The Superman we see in MoS is a lot more conflicted and grey than that in previous movies I feel.
"Should I have let them die"? ...."maybe."
and there's the scene where Pa Kent stops him from saving him, which hit me pretty damn hard. The Superman we see in MoS is a lot more conflicted and grey than that in previous movies I feel.
yeah krypton guns and lasertag is the exact same thing. guns with triggers are a universal phenomenon and journalists are required to train in future-tech. sad sack.
That one scene in MoS is the most heavily overdone, if you ask me, in all of Superman Movie-dom. He's in a
church and talking to a minister, which already laid it on thickly, but to then have Jesus Christ framed over Clark's shoulder,
And they repeated the Christ pose shot from Returns almost identically, too. I'd say both movies are probably even in the Christian imagery, depending on what you consider laying it on too thick and what can be inferred through context.
I don't know what some people expect. He barely had time to keep himself alive and somehow he's supposed to stop getting his ass kicked and call a time-out to make sure everyone is ok?
Maybe he should just fly around the Earth to turn back time and bring everyone back?
Maybe he should just fly around the Earth to turn back time and bring everyone back?
Ridiculous.
Guns with triggers makes more sense than an alien race that looks like white people.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Man, I don't know about you, but if Russel Crowe is telling me to do some shit, I'd fucking do it.
greendomo's ghost
Member
I'd agree with that. The analogy is stronger in SR and there's less in MoS, but what is there is not at all subtle.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Lol this!
The argument is ridiculous if you see the
Movie. Oh wait Zod the people are dying can we wait until its empty or until i save a couple of those people down there ?
Movie. Oh wait Zod the people are dying can we wait until its empty or until i save a couple of those people down there ?
stufte
Member
Lol and kryptonians speak english. The gun thing is WAY easier to believe, imo.
Do you even lift?
Um, I can deadlift that. That's pretty weak considering his muscular development.
Liquidsnake
Banned
How much weight is it?
Sorry bro Returns is the worst film I've ever seen, aside from maybe some boring ass 4 hour 60s flick that I had to watch for a film class. I'd rather eat out of a dumpster than sit through that pile of steaming shit again. "Superman Returns is more respected than Man of Steel" LOL that's quite a stretch there, bud. Returns was a bland joke of a film with an awful story and horrible acting.
You come in this thread whining and complaining about Man of Steel and it's defensive force, then you turn into an overly defensive fanboy when someone disses Returns, dismissing all criticism of that horrible abomination as coming from idiotic mouth-breathers.
Sorry that most of the general audience and some of us idiotic mouth breathers aren't as enlightened as yourself; Returns is undoubtedly the better film with a better story and Man of Steel is a supremely flawed heretical product. I have seen the light!
I think you need to accept the fact that opinions are opinions, especially when concerned with film making. Everyone has different tastes, some people LOVE MoS and others LOVE Returns. However, Man of Steel is the Superman movie that we got a few days ago, the Superman movie that is making truckloads of $$$, and probably the Superman movie you're going to get for the next decade, SORRY.
Quite the conversationalist.
As a guy who's shot some promo/press videos before, I bet they just wanted Henry on camera lifting a bit for eye candy. Some actors and workout types will actually do 25-50 pushups to get their chests looking bigger and such, which he might have done, but yeah- he's probably capable of more but didn't want to risk pulling something for a video like this.
Returns took it a step further in some ways, if a little less obvious. The kryptonite dagger to the side (like the spear to the side Jesus took), falling to Earth in that pose, Superman "dies" in the hospital but when a nurse comes in she finds the hospital room empty.
I find all of it very lazy.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Is it the assumption that he would somehow save....everyone??? I mean, dude just saved the whole fucking planet technically. That's gotta put him in the plus column I would think. This is what Pa Kent was trying to show him as well--sometimes there will be loss.
Evilore to replace Henry in MoS2 confirmed!!
I think having
Jor El tell Superman he can save all of us
Either way, doing the Christian stuff with Superman isn't really in fault in my eyes if it's done for a reason or done well. I think Returns crafted it a bit better, but maybe Man of Steel was going for a laugh with the church scene. The priest's reaction definitely felt intentionally comedic.
Lois did say something early on that was like "Guess I don't feel safe unless I'm in the trenches"....or something like that, I'm paraphrasing. But the point is that she's use to being in the front line.
It's not a stretch that she can point a gun and pull a trigger. Hell, the blast was large enough where it's the equivalent of a boom stick.
HalfBakedProphet
Member
its pretty clear this movie was a direct prequel to Prometheus.
I got the same message from pa Kent.
Doesn't he even tell him point blank, some sacrifices will need to be made? Maybe it was about the kids on the bus, but his point stands.
Kal is not a Supergod, or even a Supermagician. Just a Superman.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
"I get writer's block if I'm not wearing a flak jacket."
Loved that line, summed up the character in a sentence.
Yeah, I really liked her this time around. Adams is clearly a fan of the franchise and Lois was written in a really modern way (The Animated Series, Smallville, modern comics, etc).
CookedChocobo
Member
Thanks yahoo.com for spoiling a possibly major event in the movie with a news headline "Superman commits unexpected brutal act" before I saw it later this week with friends.
There's only one fucking thing that Superman could do that could be classified as a brutal act. Anyone who knows anything about Superman knows what that is!!!
I'm so mad, lol I do not like being spoiled one bit for movies I really want to see....And this is a major fucking spoiler.
There's only one fucking thing that Superman could do that could be classified as a brutal act. Anyone who knows anything about Superman knows what that is!!!
I'm so mad, lol I do not like being spoiled one bit for movies I really want to see....And this is a major fucking spoiler.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Yup.
Clark asks "What was I supposed to do, let them die??" and Pa hesitates before answering "Maybe".
SM2 is really great, IM3 is really great. Was nice watching a Marvel movie with a bit of personality. Good acting, was funny, good action, nice writing, satisfying ending. I liked it a lot
Maninthemirror
Banned
There is no controversy its just a misunderstanding .
If you consider it to be such a spoiler, maybe you shouldn't post it in the non-spoiler thread?
CookedChocobo
Member
Oh I guess that makes more sense haha, thanks.
On first-blush, it's brutal to see Superman do such a thing on screen. It's never been seen on film before, at least with this much weight and gravity.
Some people are saying it didn't feel necessary, and that the film was already a bit "joyless" to begin with, so I guess the "controversy" for some is how Goyer might have overdone it (at least for the first movie, maybe it'd worked better for some in a sequel).
It's cool. I've seen it twice and keep double-checking all my posts!
I think MoS toyed with with it a bit while Returns played it totally straight. Parts like Faora's line...
"Evolution always wins" seemed like another on the nose remark but in the end she was right. The genetically engineered lines of Krypton were stagnant and Clark was the real next step in evolution for their race.
That's without the Thursday bonus of $12 million, right?
Yup.
Domestic: $128,725,000 64.3%
+ Foreign: $71,600,000 35.7%
= Worldwide: $200,325,000
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2012.htm
NIceeeeeeeeeee!!!
+ Foreign: $71,600,000 35.7%
= Worldwide: $200,325,000
http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=superman2012.htm
NIceeeeeeeeeee!!!
greendomo's ghost
Member
Still all estimates, I think the actuals haven't come in yet.
Damn it.
Actual gross:
$42 million!
It's doing fantastic- even better than WB's projected estimates. I wonder if it'll hold up next weekend against Monsters and World War Z despite one getting mediocre reviews and the other looking so rough.
freenudemacusers
Member
meh
needs dat chest hair lawd
greendomo's ghost
Member
Oh definitely. I mean they revised their Sunday estimates up, and said the dropoff from Saturday to Sunday was almost nothing, which is very rare. I wouldn't be surprised if it was higher than the estimates.
Ninja Scooter
Member
I really hope they give Cavill a closer cropped haircut in MoS2.