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[Can Crusher]

So not par expectations
Not low expectations but negative expectations. Thats predisposed bias no?

How is it predisposed bias? Is that how you act in life, think something is bad before hand and no matter how good it is when you experience it you kinda just lie to yourself and to others and say it's bad anyway?

That doesn't make sense, and this pseudo psychology goes absolute nowhere in this context.

I went in knowing that the probability of the movie being good was low, but knowing that the pure quality of a movie isn't always a 1:1 fun ration. Besides I like superman, even though what I think is most appealing about the character is it's symbolic nature, and from a story telling perspective the theoretical struggle of a man who was born (kinda... at least here) to be Superman, yet wasn't educated to be Superman. It's about values, it's about sacrifice, it's about something greater.

Him flying around blasting shit is just sugar on top, since mostly that will only really impact someone when they are young and meet superman for the first time.

So no, I wasn't predisposed to hate on the movie, I was predisposed to acknowledge that the movie wasn't good even though I was open to like it.

It's the idea that we force ourselves to rationalize liking something, convincing ourselves that if we like it then it's good. I love Bad Boys 2.... nobody is going to convince me that shit is a good movie, or a great movie.

Really this isn't about what things I like, or whatever your opinion is of me. Case in point:

My appreciation for your shenaniganery has nothing to do w/ my opinion of the film, dude. Give yourself some credit.

also, I hope that "unto" you dropped wasn't a typo. I like the idea of you referring to yourself in that way.

RENDER UNTO THE CAN CRUSHER THAT WHICH THE CAN CRUSHER DESIRES.

See? Bobby is so uncomfortable with the notion that he likes a shitty movie that he spends all his effort rationalizing why my opinion doesn't matter.

It's about whether or not Man of Steel is a good movie, and it sure as hell isn't. And in "my book", it wasn't even a fun movie since it was a complete mess.

 

[Maninthemirror]

How is it predisposed bias? Is that how you act in life, think something is bad before hand and no matter how good it is when you experience you kinda just lie to yourself and to others and say it's bad anyway?

That doesn't make sense, and this pseudo psychology goes absolute nowhere in this context.

I went in knowing that the probability of the movie being good was low, but knowing that the pure quality of a movie isn't always a 1:1 fun ration. Besides I like superman, even though what I think is most appealing about the character is it's symbolic nature, and from a story telling perspective the theoretical struggle of a man who was born (kinda... at least here) to be Superman, yet wasn't educated to be Superman. It's about values, it's about sacrifice, it's about something greater.

Him flying around blasting shit is just sugar on top, since mostly that will only really impact someone when they are young and meet superman for the first time.

So no, I wasn't predisposed to hate on the movie, I was predisposed to acknowledge that the movie wasn't good even though I was open to like it.

It's the idea that we force ourselves to rationalize liking something, convincing ourselves that if we like it then it's good. I love Bad Boys 2.... nobody is going to convince me that shit is a good movie, or a great movie.

Really this isn't about what things I like, or whatever your opinion is of me. Case in point:



See?

It's about whether or not Man of Steel is a good movie, and it sure as hell isn't. And in "my book", it wasn't even a fun movie since it was a complete mess.

No I don't say a movie sucks before I see it. I do say I don't think it will be good but I don't review a movie before I see it.

 

[Ixion]

Saw it today. I don't get the hate for this movie at all. I hate when these superhero flicks waste time on the same origin story (that we've seen over and over again) so I appreciated the effective use of flashbacks. Too hard for the ADD folks to follow, I suppose.

What? Wouldn't it be the other way around?

 

[Blader]

How is it predisposed bias? Is that how you act in life, think something is bad before hand and no matter how good it is when you experience it you kinda just lie to yourself and to others and say it's bad anyway?

That doesn't make sense, and this pseudo psychology goes absolute nowhere in this context.

I went in knowing that the probability of the movie being good was low, but knowing that the pure quality of a movie isn't always a 1:1 fun ration. Besides I like superman, even though what I think is most appealing about the character is it's symbolic nature, and from a story telling perspective the theoretical struggle of a man who was born (kinda... at least here) to be Superman, yet wasn't educated to be Superman. It's about values, it's about sacrifice, it's about something greater.

Him flying around blasting shit is just sugar on top, since mostly that will only really impact someone when they are young and meet superman for the first time.

So no, I wasn't predisposed to hate on the movie, I was predisposed to acknowledge that the movie wasn't good even though I was open to like it.

It's the idea that we force ourselves to rationalize liking something, convincing ourselves that if we like it then it's good. I love Bad Boys 2.... nobody is going to convince me that shit is a good movie, or a great movie.

Really this isn't about what things I like, or whatever your opinion is of me. Case in point:



See? Bobby is so uncomfortable with the notion that he likes a shitty movie that he spends all his effort rationalizing why my opinion doesn't matter.

It's about whether or not Man of Steel is a good movie, and it sure as hell isn't. And in "my book", it wasn't even a fun movie since it was a complete mess.

The mental gymnastics on display here are a hell of a thing to watch.

 

[Can Crusher]

No I don't say a movie sucks before I see it. I do say I don't think it will be good but I don't review a movie before I see it.

A review isn't a rating. I accepted the rating of the movie beforehand and hence saying it "sucks, and everybody knows it", opting for a more casual and nonchalant description of the ratings the movie is getting.

In the end, this matters very little. If anybody is interested, they can debate my opinion but spending time debating whether or not my opinion should be considered, like Bobby is doing, is just a waste of time.

The mental gymnastics on display here are a hell of a thing to watch.

I didn't even break a sweat. But now I deduce you love just how simple and empty Man of Steel is.

 

[joshcryer]

Takes too much from Smallville, imo.

Clark should've started as Clark, saving people and stuff, then you get flashbacks, and pow, big action scene.

Instead you got big action scenes with flashbacks to his childhood, and basically ... no Clark.

The next movie will have lots of Clark, I'm sure, as was alluded to at the end.

Still enjoyed it immensely.

 

[Blader]

I didn't even break a sweat. But now I deduce you love just how simple and empty Man of Steel is.

Your deduction skills could use some work.

 

[TrAcEr_x90]

I loved it. But I seriously dont think I'll ever be going to a IMAX 3D showing again. 30+ dollars to see a movie and by the end where there was tons of action my girlfriend and I had to cut our ears, because the sound was so deafening.....so even with that, I still loved it.

I think its defintely riding at the same level at Avengers for comic book adaptations. Even being an avid comic book collector, its so hard to compare DC vs Marvel. DC characters have always been more heady type storylines and introspective. Marvel has the flashy characters and great grand moments. Same with the movies, love the colors, characters and action in Avengers. Man of Steel had a great slow build up to the grandest scenes and FX I think I have ever seen in movies. As a 3D artist, the FX scenes were boggling my mind. Kevin Costner killed it. I don't think he had a whole ton of screen time, but he was doing some serious acting. Still undecided on how I like the disjointed framing of time with clarks life, some parts worked amazing, and others worked kinda bad. I do wish Cavil had more dialogue scenes, but his look, his mannerisms, the good hearted words and smiles he gave, sold me 100 percent that, that was superman. I always got more of a superboy vibe from brandon routh..... I also loved the updates to the lore. Starting out on krypton and showing alien creatures/alien technology was amazing. The more alien-esque vibe of the outfits and ships were so good. I actually got a Halo vibe alot throughout. Still a little confused on the powers of the villians? Could they not breathe because they needed a certain amount of time for their bodys to ajdust? thus giving them more powers? Pretty confusing but like i said, im sure some story elements were lost with me covering my ears for about half the movie.

 

[Can Crusher]

Your deduction skills could use some work.

Right, despite knowing the movie is essentially bad on almost all fronts, you weren't that disappointed with it. You said you thought it was just fine, even though basically you spent most of your time describing why the movie sucks, and why it's an empty mess.

But you're right, I was way off and I acknowledge it and appreciate that you thought it was time to start talking about the movie.

 

[Messypandas]

Never thought of that.

thats because you're not a debased pervert

 

[artist]

Still a little confused on the powers of the villians? Could they not breathe because they needed a certain amount of time for their bodys to ajdust? thus giving them more powers? Pretty confusing but like i said, im sure some story elements were lost with me covering my ears for about half the movie.

Yes, Kryptonians need to adjust the earth's atmosphere. See Ma Kent telling Clark how much trouble he had breathing as a kid. Also once Supes is on Zod's ship, he has trouble breathing there because he's now adjusted to the earth's atmosphere.

Also Kryptonians grew more powerful on earth because our sun is still young, more powerful than Krypton's. It's also why Zod develops heat vision once he's exposed. Hence he can also fly (instead of super jump) but needed to get rid of his clunky suit/armor.

 

[Solo]

Do you guys think MoS' bombing will force DC out of the movie business?

 

[Matrix]

Do you guys think MoS' bombing will force DC out of the movie business?

Trolloooosolooooo

 

[TheKaeptain]

Whoa, wait.

You've been talking ALL THIS SHIT for the last couple weeks and you only JUST TODAY actually watched the thing?

...


...well played, Can Crusher. Well played

He already had his mind made up going into it.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Yay Matrix is back! Where have you been? You could have saved this Man of Steel thread. You could have saved all of them.

 

[Maninthemirror]

If Man of Steel is their second bomb after Green Lantern they might simply focus on Batman movies and use their other properties (maybe) for TV shows. It would be a shame because I really liked MoS.

Edit:
Is MoS tracking that badly?

MoS is going to be the most successful reboot so don't fall for the SoloTraps

 

[legacyzero]

Do you guys think MoS' bombing will force DC out of the movie business?

NONSENSE!

 

[Matrix]

Yay Matrix is back! Where have you been? You could have saved this Man of Steel thread. You could have saved all of them.

Trying to keep my blood pressure in check reading through this thread the last couple of days lol

 

[JCX]

What an awful movie.

 

[Solo]

Trolloooosolooooo

Did you ever give a review, Matrix?

 

[Polishin8r]

What an awful movie.

it wasn't too bad it was not what I expected, which made me enjoy it more but damn those action scenes are worth it alone

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Did you ever give a review, Matrix?

He gave it a

 

[VeryGooster]

What a horrendous second half. Did Snyder have at least one editor on this film? Russell Crowe and Michael Shannon were fun to watch, at least. I thought Cavill was at his best during the flashback "Joe" arc and it's nice that he brings a Reeve-like charm to Superman, but Superman was still just not really interesting to watch.

Amy Adams was decent, but I think my contempt for Kate Bosworth in Returns raises her score a bit.

Every time I think about that script, I just can't help but think everyone did the best they could, I guess.

 

[Matrix]

Did you ever give a review, Matrix?

Not yet. Gonna see it a 2nd time. Got to remember I saw this shit sick, not sure if you have ever sat though something when you're really ill and watching it with your dad. It might have caused extra emotions in me that I won't have on a second viewing when I feel better hah I really did love it though (call me biased, no fucks given) but I do have some issues with it. It's not a perfect Superman film, but neither was Superman the movie. I didn't come out of it like I did Returns, so that itself is a huge plus for me.

Cavill nailed it though and I'll stick by that. He's the best actor to play Superman since Reeve. Can't wait to see

Spoiler

his take on daily planet Clark in the SEQUEL

 

[sestrugen]

Never seen any old superman movies

FUCKING LOVED MOS

 

[raiyzo]

I saw IM3 the other day and during the whole movie i was like 'i paid for this?'. It was so, so, so stupid. IM2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IM3 and IM1>1M2. It was just so friggin stupid - the extremis and the glowing people; the hundreds of suits and how easily they broke apart. Little thought was put into the story, it was just a lazy popcorn flick but without the scale of avengers or MOS.

some complain about MOS but it's realistic and more serious take, with all the spectacle kicks IM3's arse into outer space.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

Hmm

I hadn't made an analysis on the movie before. Clearly the impressions, critics, Half in the bag etc gave me a picture of the problems of the movie.

In life we don't form an impression only on 1st hand experiences, so everybody can get off their high horse because more than many were dead set on forming the opinion that the movie was the shit based on trailers.

Also, I was hyped for the movie before it came out for the same reasons everybody was. Hence why we all had something to say about the movie for the past couple of weeks....

Here's the kicker, I went in with low expectations and the movie still sucked.



Absolutely wrong, I just knew I was going to watch a bad movie. Mind you, this isn't a bad thing since knowing you are going to watch a bad movie generally bodes in favor of the experience.

Regarding the whole two weeks whatnot, everybody was doing it playboy. You know people share knowledge and experiences and we form opinions.



It still sucks today, and it will suck tomorrow and for the end of eternity.

I'm glad nobody is actually disputing what I said though, means we are all in the same page. Go gaf!

last time i'm talking to you because you're going on the ignore for blatant lying. I saw it day fucking one and I was right, it's a damn good and enjoyable film you waited two weeks and let others form your opinion of the film for you.

 

[bob_arctor]

2nd viewing set for Thursday night, true Imax on 68th Bdway. Still amped, still ready to bathe in the sun.

 

[TheFatOne]

I watched MOS for the first time yesterday and it was mediocre. Lots of boring parts in the movie, and in the end I felt like it didn't need to be as long as it was.

 

[witness]

Saw it for a second time. This time in IMAX 2D, first time was at a 4K screen, and damn the audio was so much better in IMAX. So worth it, loved every second of it again. Now the long wait for the blue ray =(

 

[Sub_Level]

You know that scene where Superman is drinking beer?

The cynic in me thinks that that was like a move by an alcohol lobby/company to make drinking beer seem cool. Maybe that's really stupid of me to think that, I dunno, but it just came to my mind when I saw it lol

 

[Mengy]

I watched MOS for the first time yesterday and it was mediocre. Lots of boring parts in the movie, and in the end I felt like it didn't need to be as long as it was.

I actually felt that it needed to be longer honestly. With some more character development and fleshing out of scenes it would be a more complete movie IMHO.

 

[artist]

I watched MOS for the first time yesterday and it was mediocre. Lots of boring parts in the movie, and in the end I felt like it didn't need to be as long as it was.

I actually felt that it needed to be longer honestly. With some more character development and fleshing out of scenes it would be a more complete movie IMHO.

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

 

[DCX]

MOS was fantastic. I'm not a Supes fanboy but i was very pleased with the film

 

[silvon]

Just watched it. I think the movie was disappointing. It crammed a lot of background stories in the first 1.5 hour, but the stories just flew by with very little impact. Maybe it's because the story about a superhero coming to terms with their powers has been done so many times, or maybe it's because of the actor - Cavill is a handsome man, but I think he lacks charisma. The actions at the last half hour felt like a Michael Bay movie, with explosions and collapsing buildings, but all of them were too familiar.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Just saw it a second time with me son. I have zero reservations about it right up until Zod says "Release the world engine." Then I have two issues - destruction porn and the very contrived action which is mostly just to set up conflict. Hardly unique problems, quite common in modern action movies. Before that, it's all awesome. Very nice weaving in of theme and character and making Superman make sense. Plus a pretty great plot.

Based on the my son's reactions, they may have made the mythos and scifi elements too complicated. But they all made sense to me.

 

[Kellen]

I wasn't a fan of the beginning of the film with Crowe flying around on the dragon/bird hybrid. I liked Clark's parents though and the screen time they shared was enjoyable. Felt like the final showdown between Zod and Superman drug on a bit. The film was somewhere in the middle for me, didn't hate it or love it.

 

[RoKKeR]

Just saw it, very solid and I definitely enjoyed it.

Best moment of the movie was

Spoiler

the tornado scene where he loses his father. Absolutely incredible, incredible moment.

Amy Adams is damn fine. Her showing up randomly was my biggest complaint plot wise, but I can't complain much about that.

 

[Ixion]

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

Not necessarily. A movie can be boring BECAUSE there isn't proper development and build-up. Man of Steel kept jumping ahead from big moment to big moment, but nothing had any impact.

Just watched it. I think the movie was disappointing. It crammed a lot of background stories in the first 1.5 hour, but the stories just flew by with very little impact. Maybe it's because the story about a superhero coming to terms with their powers has been done so many times, or maybe it's because of the actor - Cavill is a handsome man, but I think he lacks charisma. The actions at the last half hour felt like a Michael Bay movie, with explosions and collapsing buildings, but all of them were too familiar.

This is exactly how I felt.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

You know that scene where Superman is drinking beer?

The cynic in me thinks that that was like a move by an alcohol lobby/company to make drinking beer seem cool. Maybe that's really stupid of me to think that, I dunno, but it just came to my mind when I saw it lol

there was a cover of action Comics (I think #844) where Jonathan Kent and Clark are out by the front porch having a beer and talking, enjoying themselves.

anyways, it was a big controversy for some people because apparently Superman is a saint and pure in every sense and should never have a beer with his old man so they had to edit the cover with him holding root beer instead.

so stupid. my point is that it humanizes him a bit by just doing normal stuff, watching the football game, having a beer, etc. it was a nice little touch.

 

[G-Fex]

damnit guys

Clark is a regular guy.

He likes drinking beer, watching college football and even a baseball fan.

Good times.

 

[mugoldeneagle03]

Also anyone who thinks Routh was a better Superman and had more range than Cavill... please don't talk to me. You can like/love Returns better, but just no when it comes to that.

He was better in areas...The whole clueless Clark Kent act was damn near perfect in that movie, Singers comedy was just a bit overdone at times. Cavill fit the action hero-type perfectly.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Amy Adams is damn fine.

This man gets it.

How does she knoooooow you love her?

 

[beyond_death]

Just a few more days until we get this. Cant fucking wait!

 

[Cloudy]

Amy Adams is damn fine.

Yeah she is sooo hawt

 

[Miles Quaritch]

Amy Adams is damn fine.

Yes. The scene where she's wearing that grey sweater just before she's called into Perry's office - Goddamn.

Dem hips man.

 

[Larson Conway]

Quick thoughts after watching the film, as I posted them on Twitter:

Spoiler

Realistically it will at least take a decade for Smallville and Metropolis to recover from that ridicilous amount of destruction #ManofSteel

So wait, if Supes impregnates Lois, does that mean she essentially carries an entire race of Kryptonians? Can she even? #ManofSteel

Also, Supes as undercover journalist Clark Kent was an awesome moment. One scene which IMO easily captured the comicbook magic #ManofSteel

Also funny how Lana Lang and Lexcorp felt like fan service. Dark, gritty tone somehow made me forget it was a Superman movie. #ManofSteel

While Nolan exploring Supes as alien threat is fresh, Singer's treatment of the Superman lore is simply more enoyable to watch #ManofSteel

No questions though -- Henry Cavill miles ahead of Brandon Routh as Superman/Clark Kent #ManofSteel

Also there was that scene in the Indian Ocean (?) where Cavill was a splitting image of Christopher Reeve #ManofSteel

 

[Miles Quaritch]

I agree with the last one Was shocked by how much Cavill looked like Reeves in that scene.

 

[Qvoth]

finally watched it, it was great!
solid 8/10, or if i'm being harsh maybe 7.5
yawned twice during the movie, which never happens if i really really like a show

funny thing is my friends said it was boring, derp

cavill looks like a freakin beast with his superbeard, in fact i think he looks better with it
he was ripped as fuck when still in beard mode

 

[Fairly Rational]

I fucking loved this movie. Maybe that makes me an mouth-breathing idiot who only likes explosions (talking about the Half in the Bag review here), but I really loved it. Enough to see it again immediately after and I absolutely hate watching films in a theatre.

I'd go deeper into it, but this isn't a spoiler thread so I'll just say this; the themes in this movie resonated with me in a big way. Having had two "fathers" myself, I understood and empathized with what Clark struggled with. It's not easy having two conflicting standards of manhood like that. Especially when they seem to contradict each other. Both of them are valid, but I felt that Man of Steel really hit a home run on exploring the idea that Clark/Kal-El is a man stuck between two worlds, not quite belonging to either one. The resolution to that sub plot is one that made me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

I've loved Superman since I was a little kid. He's always been my favourite superhero, even when it was cooler to like Spider-Man or Batman. To me it's not that he has cool super powers that define him, it's that for all his power the real struggle for him is restraint. To know that he has the power to do anything he wants, to get whatever he wants, but he still picks the high road and does things the right way. He's a man who will do what's right, even if it breaks his heart to do so. I think Man of Steel portrayed that perfectly.

God, so many damn feels.