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I think we can agree that Zod is in the top tier of comic book film villains. Most are cruddy plot devices.
What would make him top tier?
I think we can agree that Zod is in the top tier of comic book film villains. Most are cruddy plot devices.
Loki in Thor was actually fantastic. Very raw and strong performance by Tom in certain scenes, then in Avengers he became a kind of 80's cliche. It was fun, but severely limited and he was only really there to the brunt of the joke. I have no doubt in Thor 2 the character is going to be like a deviantart monstrosity come to life due to the insane fan girl following.
Comparing him to fucking Doctor Doom. You take things to absurd levels of bs.
THE POWER OF THE SUN IN PALM OF MY HAND!
Loki is in the wrong list too.
I don't mind Loki so much. I really like Hiddleston, though. Do you think his character was better or worse in The Avengers vs Thor?
I know you don't like me, and I know you like MOS but... it's really not that absurd. It's fair to say one might be better than the other, but from what I remember I don't see how Zod is much better. He has cooler powers... sure.
What do you remember of Doctor Doom?
I WILL FIND HIM
I WILL FIND HIM
*other dialogue not found*
FINALLY. Today is the day. Its out in Australia and soon I can stop avoiding these threads.
He was definitely better in Thor.
Cheese is cheese. I love Spider-man 2, still think that line is corny as shit though.
Cheese is cheese. I love Spider-man 2, still think that line is corny as shit though.
Not only Dr Doom but the entirety of FF was pure raw garbage.
Zod was a great villian, with motives and Personality.
Doc Ock = best villain in comic book movies so far.
I'd agree.
I know you don't like me, and I know you like MOS but... it's really not that absurd. It's fair to say one might be better than the other, but from what I remember I don't see how Zod is much better. He has cooler powers... sure.
What do you remember of Doctor Doom?
I love my villains to be morally grey rather than straight black. That's why I love Ock and Rhas Al Ghul so much. They have conviction in their actions and believe that they are doing the right thing.
I love my villains to be morally grey rather than straight black. That's why I love Ock and Rhas Al Ghul so much. They have conviction in their actions and believe that they are doing the right thing.
Exactly, that puts them a step above and the actors sold it.
I love my villains to be morally grey rather than straight black. That's why I love Ock and Rhas Al Ghul so much. They have conviction in their actions and believe that they are doing the right thing.
Zod believes he is doing the right thing since that's how he was created.
Yep. I actually think both actors (Neeson in particular, as his role was underwritten compared to Molina's) ELEVATED their characters well above what was on paper. Which is of course the mark of a great actor. Neeson is preaching mass murder and yet you feel for the character's plight and buy into why he is doing what he is doing.
Zod was a character of that mould....in theory. I don't think his character's execution was anywheres close to Neeson or Molina's though. They had good intentions but he never became a three dimensional character, at least not to me.
They tried a grey villain in ASM, but failed miserably.
I remember a shitty ass actor from FX channel playing him, this budget tv look and a god awful movie. That's all I need to remember.
That Zod is aware of the conceit of his own motivation and follows through with it doesn't mean he thinks it's right. He just thinks 'This is what I was created to do' and rolls with it - which I guess how Goyer must have felt when he was hired for the job; unquestioning, unthinking, just write the shit and get your paycheque because that is all your job entails.Zod believes he is doing the right thing since that's how he was created.
He believe it so hard that he will wipe out the entire planet to do so.
Doc Ock fucking sucks.
Ah Rosie, I love this boy.Taste is not a privilege, it's a gift, to be used for the good of mankind.
That Zod is aware of the conceit of his own motivation and follows through with it doesn't mean he thinks it's right. He just thinks 'This is what I was created to do' and rolls with it - which I guess how Goyer must have felt when he was hired for the job; unquestioning, unthinking, just write the shit and get your paycheque because that is all your job entails.
Yeah, I know he cares. I guess I'm just so angry with how lazy the script feels.That's a little unfair, innit? Dude obviously gives a shit. It's cold to insinuate that because he didn't execute correctly that he just never even tried.
Goyer's got problems as a writer. Every writer does. Some more than others. But I don't think he's a hack at all.
Day Lewis for Luthor could be amazing, he could be in character for 3 years buying real state from New Zeland and sinking Australia for real just to get a feel of it.
Ah Rosie, I love this boy.
Yeah, I know he cares. I guess I'm just so angry with how lazy the script feels.
Day Lewis and Viggo turned down ra's al ghul
I doubt they'll accept to be in man of steel 2
Day Lewis and Viggo turned down ra's al ghul
I doubt they'll accept to be in man of steel 2
What would make him top tier?
For me it's a product of the average quality of comic book film villains combined with Shannon's performance and his decent material. I can't list many great super hero film villains that really excel outside of Joker and Magneto, which I'd consider the two A-classers. Ra's, Bane, Doc Oc, and Zod would probably fill out the rest of what I'd consider "above average" along with David Banner, Striker in X-Men 2, and Sebastian Shawn.
That actually made me like the movie more. This Bat can be beaten.... muwhahahahhahahahaha!Kind of pissed me off in TDK how easily the Joker got Bruce to want to hang up the cape n cowl.
That's one thing I have to give to Singers X-Men. Talk about perfect fucking casting... in three roles at least.
Two in particular. Stewart and McKellan. Jackman was a terrific choice in retrospect. If only because of his dedication to the character that made him relevant.
Zod believes he is doing the right thing since that's how he was created.
He believe it so hard that he will wipe out the entire planet to do so.
Striker in X-Men 2
He isn't willing to kill an entire species to save his own because he has too though. His hand isn't forced, he doesn't do it because it's the only way. He does so simply because he finds our own inferior, and is willing to kill us all because we aren't worth the trouble.
Fact is, he didn't even need the world engine. Their bodies adapt pretty well to our atmosphere, which is a pretty huge bonus to the kind of powers they gain by being on earth in the first place.
He was willing to wipe out a species not out of need, but because he didn't give shit. In Batman Begins, Ras is willing to go to extreme measures because he believes it's time for extreme measures.
He even says they tried with economics before. At the end of the day Bat and Ras are two individuals striving for a similar goal but reaching different conclusions about how to achieve it.
You can stop right there. Striker although not a great villain, is an interesting character. What he did to his own son shouldn't go unnoticed.