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Man of Steel |OT| It's about action.
- Thread starter MisterHero
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SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Returns is obviously going to draw the ire of the ADD generation that MoS caters for.
Where Returns is ponderous and wears its heart on its sleeve, Man of Steel is about yelling and explosions and BDSHMSZZZZKKKTTTT!!!!!KAPOW!!!VFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!!!111
Now, notice that I'm not saying that anybody who liked MoS has ADD or a short attention span. I'm just saying that it is obviously who it was targeted at. WB really took those fan jabs at Returns to heart and went in the complete opposite direction.
Where Returns is ponderous and wears its heart on its sleeve, Man of Steel is about yelling and explosions and BDSHMSZZZZKKKTTTT!!!!!KAPOW!!!VFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!!!!111
In the ending scene where we get the military jeep driving down the road, I actually remember thinking 'Thank fuck my ears can get a rest now that all the explosions have --' *KACHOW!!!!11* The satellite explodes out of nowhere in front of the jeep.
Now, notice that I'm not saying that anybody who liked MoS has ADD or a short attention span. I'm just saying that it is obviously who it was targeted at. WB really took those fan jabs at Returns to heart and went in the complete opposite direction.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
She came off as petulant instead of empowered. There were also rumors at the time that she only got the job due to Spacey going to bat for her, not because she actually impressed anyone.
She's... okay. Not good. Not bad. She's just kind of there. The only time she seemed convincing as a character was when she looked annoyed at not being able to light her cigarette.
edit: Aside from the fact "The ADD Generation" is a meaningless term, you're like, mid-twenties right? You ARE the ADD Generation if we're going to take that at face value.
I think Returns got shit on the action side of things because the emotional side didn't carry the weight they thought it would. If the characters had been on point, and the drama of the story had actually hit the way they wanted it to, I think the action sequences would have been a minor quibble at best. But because the movie grew more disappointing with time and hindsight, the lack of action became something for people to seize on as more evidence to throw on the desk.
She's... okay. Not good. Not bad. She's just kind of there. The only time she seemed convincing as a character was when she looked annoyed at not being able to light her cigarette.
edit: Aside from the fact "The ADD Generation" is a meaningless term, you're like, mid-twenties right? You ARE the ADD Generation if we're going to take that at face value.
I think Returns got shit on the action side of things because the emotional side didn't carry the weight they thought it would. If the characters had been on point, and the drama of the story had actually hit the way they wanted it to, I think the action sequences would have been a minor quibble at best. But because the movie grew more disappointing with time and hindsight, the lack of action became something for people to seize on as more evidence to throw on the desk.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
The really godawful territory acting in SR was the kid. Thankfully he hardly gets any lines (because if he had, the movie would have been received even worse).
I think Returns is a wonderful movie to play in the background as you try to fall asleep. It takes about 10 minutes to get me into dreamland.
Do you think the next one will mellow down a bit?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I have ADD!
And even I thought MoS was too much at times.
Better too much than nothing. Like Returns.
And even I thought MoS was too much at times.
Better too much than nothing. Like Returns.
Drone Jet.
No, she's just a dreadful actress, and Returns was an especially bad showcase in that regard.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
I don't know. At this point I'm not really concerned because I don't care about the characters in this rebooted universe.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
I wonder what you'd think of a movie like Stalker.
That movie has a long intro scene of us staring into a bar with complete silence. It was done on purpose to give the audience who walked into the wrong movie time to leave. Challenging the audience.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
And to a degree I think they're the most realistic depictions of both Lois and Clark in any form the Superman mythos have taken.
Meh, I can't work it out. Wanna get a drink after GAF? I discovered a tasty little honey bourbon that just won't let go of this monkey.
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
I wasn't complaining about that (I had no problem with it), it was more about his delivery of lines.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Returns
+ visually amazing
+ plane action sequence
- the son of superman
- visually 70s 80s look not modern
- kate bosworth
- no action against a supervillian
- too melodramatic
- felt like a goodbye rather than a return
Man of Steel
+ visually amazing
+ smallville battle
+ scale of last battle
+ lots of action
+ superman had a comparably powerful villian
+ better buildup to next movie
- very pacey story
- less emotional than returns
+ visually amazing
+ plane action sequence
- the son of superman
- visually 70s 80s look not modern
- kate bosworth
- no action against a supervillian
- too melodramatic
- felt like a goodbye rather than a return
Man of Steel
+ visually amazing
+ smallville battle
+ scale of last battle
+ lots of action
+ superman had a comparably powerful villian
+ better buildup to next movie
- very pacey story
- less emotional than returns
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Less emotional than Returns?
I wanna come. But I'm not 21 yet. =(
Matrix
LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world hed rather have. The problem is, Dwyanes not a woman.
Nah she's just really the worst Lois to ever grace film/tv/animation. It's most likely made worse cause she's supposed to be the Kidder Lois and doesn't even come across as that.
Maninthemirror
Banned
No surprise at sculli's and solosview of the movie, most users knew how they would view it a month before release. But good for them in contributing to the movies.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Cool.
We'll need a driver anyway. Logz plans on meeting up with us but I can't get ahold of Solo or G-Fex.
*picks up imaginary phone*
Nope, no answer.
Technically there's no Logz or Sculli either. So it's just you and a drunk me. I'll need my diaper changed every hour according to Cyan's new house rules. Can drink all I want but that diaper must be changed. And fuck if I'm gonna do it.
The box office numbers wouldn't be the same without them.
And how is that a bad thing?
Did IHOP product placement and Superman roaming the world with Pearl Jam montage really add anything to the movie?
And Returns feeling like a "goodbye movie" in retrospect works wonders since...well, that more colorful rendition of the character and the world is basically dead in the movie space.
Maninthemirror
Banned
My opinion, there were more emotional scenes done by singer than snyder. Thats a fact even though mos is infinintely better. Maybe the emotion is not worthy but its def there more in returns, Mos is basically trying to quickly get to the smallville battle to supes in the suit.
Oh, shucks. I was hoping you had gotten ahold of me.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Honestly the look of Returns is far down on the list of reasons to dislike the movie.
Like they let monkey's get cell plans.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Charles Foster Kane
Rosebud
You make it sounds as if they had an agenda and were the only ones that felt that way.
Maninthemirror
Banned
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I liked half of it. The other half was Transformers 4 though, sadly
Damn, mine came with my agreement to become a cellphone tower.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
I definitely have significantly less wood than you to barter with.
edit: That's very rude Toa. Using my own gesture against me.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Of course Man of Steel was less emotional than Returns.
A lot of it had to do with giving characters space to breathe, rather than rushing through everything.
Even this small exchange in Returns is more emotional than anything in MoS.
From the score, to the performances to the way Singer lets the scene breathe. And it's not even an important scene in the film.
A lot of it had to do with giving characters space to breathe, rather than rushing through everything.
Even this small exchange in Returns is more emotional than anything in MoS.
From the score, to the performances to the way Singer lets the scene breathe. And it's not even an important scene in the film.
Well I started life as a tree, so all this wood is in my jeans so to speak.
Plants are not strong spelers.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
Like most of them!
*prods Sculli*
Indeed.
Great for climbing though.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Most of Returns does indeed feel like a diluted version of Donner's first film. And yet it's magnitudes more enjoyable than Man of Steel.
I really would have liked to have seen Singer's Man of Steel - where he said he was going to have Superman let loose after having his son killed.
Maninthemirror
Banned
I fear for the budget of singers man of steel if all
That lifting and plane sequence and intro cost 230 million. MoS 7 years later cost 220 million
I'm one of those people who wants ficticional cities like Gotham or Metropolis to retain that slightly exagerated architecture instead of looking like New York or any other generic looking city.
Batman Begins' Gotham actually felt slightly "gothic/dark" with the slums area. Then it went full on generic, modern steel/glass city in TDK and TDKR. I hated that.
You have a dude in a batsuit and another one flying around in a red cape. Add some flavour to the world they live in that actually suits their look.
What are you doing? What are you doing.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Can Crusher
Banned
I don't like the movie, but it's probably the most beautiful super hero movie out there. Can't think of a better looking one.
The movie only cost 150 million. 60 million alone were paid to Burtton and Nicholas Cage after that project failed, because... they had dat clause.
The Returns you saw had a far smaller budget than MOS.
MisterHero
Super Member
Yeah. These are fantasy movies at their core, so it wouldn't hurt to throw some art direction towards these main cities. Hopefully we can have a new skyline after what happened to Metropolis in MoS.
Superman's Metropolis is based on the movie of the same name; as well as Toronto, Canada. Returns took advantage of this, especially with the miniature city scene.
Thunder Monkey
Banned
You're a class act Sculli.
I will never understand those that dislike you.
I mean, it is just me, but I really disliked Superman Returns. Both SR and MoS inverted my biggest issues with one another. SR was way too slow. Plodding even. For a movie that stars a character "Faster than a speeding bullet." That movie took too much time on every scene and exchange. Even those that would have been better suited for quicker edits, or camera work.
It's obvious that Singer loved those Donner films. But it became something that went full on into fanwank. He wanted it to be a Donner film so much that otherwise great actors were stifled. Forced to interpret another vision for the character. And really failing because they aren't those people. They aren't Chris, Gene, or Margot.
I give it props where due. But it tried so hard to be something it couldn't that it failed almost instantly at being what was intended. That's a strange sentence. I love Singer. Given his budget for X-Men being slashed at literally the last minute I'm still shocked at how good it is.
Singer does great work. Apt Pupil is one of the most warped movies I've ever personally watched. Scenes are still etched into my brain and I only watched it once.
He can do incredible work. But I really don't find SR to be anything close to his par. It was a love note to a bygone era. Beautiful in it's own right, but trapped by conventions. And a general misuse of its source material in the modern era.
I mean... yes I have been getting hyperbolic. I don't outright hate Superman Returns. I mean I've watched it literally dozens of times so I can't hate it. But I've also seen Wolverine Origins around that many times. So my bar is kind of low at the outset on what I consider entertaining enough to watch and re-watch.
Funny enough I haven't seen Daredevil or Elektra more than once to know they are just all around terrible. Even with Michael Clarke Duncan (RIP) as Kingpin.
Never liked Ghost Rider enough to put up with BirdHairMan.