Sorry for sounding like a dick about it, maybe I got too heated, I just think its intellectually dishonest to argue that not liking this movie must mean you're too cynical or "above it all" to enjoy fun summer movies when that's clearly not true.
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Man of Steel |OT| It's about action.
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Sorry for sounding like a dick about it, maybe I got too heated, I just think its intellectually dishonest to argue that not liking this movie must mean you're too cynical or "above it all" to enjoy fun summer movies when that's clearly not true.
What, according to ME (and I'm half of gaf) it's one of the finest works of the genre.
Is the best superhero movie ever made period.
Oh boy
Where the film faltered was the building of Clark as a person before he puts on the cape. The flashbacks to his childhood are great and some of the best moments in the film but they're just snippets, you can't sink your teeth into them. This would have been fine if we learned more about Clark as an adult and how he is dealing with is odd place in the world. However we get a drifter who does not say much or reveal much about himself just going from place to place until he puts on the cape. That makes sense if he wants to be left alone and not draw attention but it also blocks the audience from knowing much about him. Halfway into the film and Clark now seems empty and boring outside of some revealing moments from his childhood. With the more serious tone taken in the film, you would think we would have seen deeper into Clark as an adult and not relied purely on flashbacks for any kind of emotional insight. Batman Begins and Iron Man are two films that come to mind that do a better job of building the man before the superhero.
I don't get the complaints about the action being generic or heavy handed. It's a bunch of aliens with advanced weaponry and much greater physical ability than humans. Things are going to get destroyed and blown up when they decide to attack. What I did have a problem with is Superman being oblivious to his surroundings and the civilian population. He did not even try to take the fight to a less populated area or have any concern for collateral damage. That being said the action sequences were well done if you want to sense the power that is possessed by Kryptonians.
Adams, Crowe, Lane, Costner, Traue, and Shannon were all great in their roles and excellent choices.
I don't get the complaints about the action being generic or heavy handed. It's a bunch of aliens with advanced weaponry and much greater physical ability than humans. Things are going to get destroyed and blown up when they decide to attack. What I did have a problem with is Superman being oblivious to his surroundings and the civilian population. He did not even try to take the fight to a less populated area or have any concern for collateral damage. That being said the action sequences were well done if you want to sense the power that is possessed by Kryptonians.
Adams, Crowe, Lane, Costner, Traue, and Shannon were all great in their roles and excellent choices.
lazytonberry
Member
If you want to know the truth man, it was a slightly facetious and jokey comment in trying to come up with a reason for the mixed reviews and the success of the film. I don't know all the reasons why the critics didn't like it as I haven't read a whole bunch of reviews, just getting the vibes from these discussions and my impression of the film.
Now that we're past it and have kissed and made up, let's go watch the movie together!
BadAss2961
Member
I haven't seen the movie yet, but isn't this Superman in his early days? I could overlook the collateral damage since he's still just coming into his own... Like that one chase scene in Batman Begins where Bats could've killed a bunch of cops with his actions, but luckily no one was killed.
Superman can evolve and improve on damage control in the sequel.
Kojima was right. Love can bloom on the battlefield! <3
BadAss2961
Member
Love DBZ, but those characters will always look stupid in live action. There's no way around that.
Keep in mind I said "superhero movie"
For me there is not a Superhero movie better than this, Batman Begins is a better movie but not a better superhero movie to me.
This was straight up a comic book brought to life.
Snyder can do that, Watchmen was almost a carbon copy page to the big screen superhero movie lols.
I love both movies to death.
Then again I like dark not full of jokes movies so Im a little biased and the fact that Im a Superman fanboy
That's unfortunate. Looks like we won't be able to discuss this until then.
Hope you get stuff sorted out dude!
Thanks dudes.
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I agree and I lay the blame squarely on the script and editing. Snyder nailed the emotional scenes that were there, as infrequent as they were. I actually found the direction to be pretty good overall, it's just the scattershot narrative that keeps the movie down.
RebornYeti
Member
I'm seeing this again in IMAX, and maybe again in the dollar theatres, and then I will buy the special edition Blu-Ray.
I loved this film.
I loved this film.
Yeah and the pacing could be a bit better, those two are my only minor complaints about the movie.
Shadow Ranger
Member
The action was good in the movie but just like others, I have issues about the amount of damage being caused. Basically levelled the whole place. Attempt to move away or something. Of course the final fight also had me raise my eyebrows.
Did not like Lois. Again. I think the actress is fine, it's the way they always write the character. Please, keep shouting Clark's real name as if noone else is around. Please just get in the way. Please add nothing to the movie... it was annoying.
I would have preferred there to be slightly more thought into the suit. Essentially it was "Here's our under garments. Enjoy.", whereas Birthright actually has a decent way to bring the suit in.
It's an enjoyable movie and I actually liked the cutting back and forth to flesh out his growth to an adult, but I just felt the movie was a bit dumb. However, I'm hoping they use
to add some intelligence to a a sequel.
Also gotta say, heat vision looked pretty awesome in this.
Mandarin levels bizarre.
Did not like Lois. Again. I think the actress is fine, it's the way they always write the character. Please, keep shouting Clark's real name as if noone else is around. Please just get in the way. Please add nothing to the movie... it was annoying.
I would have preferred there to be slightly more thought into the suit. Essentially it was "Here's our under garments. Enjoy.", whereas Birthright actually has a decent way to bring the suit in.
It's an enjoyable movie and I actually liked the cutting back and forth to flesh out his growth to an adult, but I just felt the movie was a bit dumb. However, I'm hoping they use
Lex
Also gotta say, heat vision looked pretty awesome in this.
lazytonberry
Member
Agree, I loved Cavill as Clark. Easily now my favorite rendition on screen.
At first, upon seeing him in initial posters and trailers, I just wasn't sure how it would go because of how different I thought he looked compared to Supermans in the past from any medium. Now I can't imagine it another way, I loved Reeves but Cavill is just taking over the image for me.
I just loved his performance as each persona of the infamous Clark Kent.
Someday I'm going to face the battle of naming my child's first and middle name Clark Kent. It wouldn't be new in my family as my older cousin's first and middle name is Bruce Wayne.
Glad to see that scene stood out to other viewers. I loved seeing him floating like that and the military had that "holy shit there is a guy floating in the air" look.
CosmicGroinPull
Member
I'm imagining the scriptwriters crying at this because they did pretty much everything to tie Lois closely to the plot and Clark himself, yet you still have this kind of complaint.
Let's see:
-They made her the person who found Clark
-They made her (pretty much) Clark's first human contact as his alien self
-They made her the catalyst for Clark's decision to trust humans (she didn't betray him)
-They (clumsily) made her part of the give the boot to Zod and save Earth plan
-They put her there when Clark was devastated by the 'oh snap' moment
-They made her (pretty much) Clark's first human contact as his alien self
-They made her the catalyst for Clark's decision to trust humans (she didn't betray him)
-They (clumsily) made her part of the give the boot to Zod and save Earth plan
-They put her there when Clark was devastated by the 'oh snap' moment
I'm really glad for Snyder that he's willing to compromise as much as he did here to explore a new style of filmmaking for himself. I think he still lacks patience and subtlety and the content here required more than the experience he has, but it's a good step forward. If he continues to mature his style, marrying his eye for visuals with the ability to visually tell a compelling story at a good pace will be something really fantastic.
Future Foundation
Member
Well, it's time. I'm off to join him in...screw it, you know where this is going. I'll be back later.
lazytonberry
Member
Cross-posting this from spoiler thread, but only watch this behind-the-scenes featurette if you have already seen the movie.
It's 13 minutes long and I think it would spoil way too much of the movie if you hadn't watched it yet. You have to wait through the ad but I think it's worth it, really good for after movie viewing.
So SPOILER alert for the link.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/06/15/michael-shannon-man-of-steel-movie/2418153/
Btw the video has nothing to do with the article it's placed with regarding Michael Shannon and Zod, don't know why it's even on this page. I watched it accidentally not even knowing it was a thing, it just played on its own.
It's made like a special sneak peek kind of thing and doesn't really go into the story or anything, but it just shows too much footage, way more and "clearer" than any of the trailers with their quick cuts, that I highly recommend not watching it until after seeing the movie once.
This could go on the home release and I wouldn't be surprised if parts of this or an extended version is.
It's 13 minutes long and I think it would spoil way too much of the movie if you hadn't watched it yet. You have to wait through the ad but I think it's worth it, really good for after movie viewing.
So SPOILER alert for the link.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2013/06/15/michael-shannon-man-of-steel-movie/2418153/
Btw the video has nothing to do with the article it's placed with regarding Michael Shannon and Zod, don't know why it's even on this page. I watched it accidentally not even knowing it was a thing, it just played on its own.
It's made like a special sneak peek kind of thing and doesn't really go into the story or anything, but it just shows too much footage, way more and "clearer" than any of the trailers with their quick cuts, that I highly recommend not watching it until after seeing the movie once.
This could go on the home release and I wouldn't be surprised if parts of this or an extended version is.
TheKaeptain
Banned
FUCK NO.
I would prefer him to stick with X-Men. Very excited to see the newest flick.
Also NAY.
MisterHero
Super Member
Maybe someone with directorial knowledge can answer this for me.
Was it feasible for Snyder to maintain the "hand-held" feeling while doing it in 3D? I'm indifferent to most 3D movies, but this one REALLY should have used it. Superman's abilities give us the perfect reason to try it.
How was
young Clark experiencing X-ray vision
It should be possible. 3D camera tech is advancing rapidly and they're not IMAX camera monsters. The director of photography on Man of Steel is Amir Mokri, the same guy who shot TF3 for Michael Bay (which was shot in 3D, and also had a bunch of handheld camera scenes). Not shooting it in 3D was a choice by the team. Maybe because of costs? I dunno.
So I'm here in line. Movie starts at 3:20 and the line is starting to wrap. It's a good 500+ theater so getting a good seat I'm not worried.
What sucks is that a regular theater is showing the 2-D version and they have not shut the doors so I am hearing sound effects and dialogue..and I think it's the end of the movie too :/
Anyway, I will give my impressions later-on. I am excited.
What sucks is that a regular theater is showing the 2-D version and they have not shut the doors so I am hearing sound effects and dialogue..and I think it's the end of the movie too :/
Anyway, I will give my impressions later-on. I am excited.
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
He saved multiple people when he could. You can't save everyone when you're busy fighting people just as powerful as Supes is. How exactly is he supposed to move the fighting to other areas? Fly away and say"Yo Zod and crew, can we go somewhere else please? This is getting a bit crowded. Thanks guys". No. He protected the people he could and saved the people he could in between fighting the bad guys. He did what he had to.
Rollo Lawson
Banned
Keep in mind I said "superhero movie"
For me there is not a Superhero movie better than this, Batman Begins is a better movie but not a better superhero movie to me.
This was straight up a comic book brought to life.
Snyder can do that, Watchmen was almost a carbon copy page to the big screen superhero movie lols.
I love both movies to death.
Then again I like dark not full of jokes movies so Im a little biased and the fact that Im a Superman fanboy
Exactly how I feel. It was a moving graphic novel and as a fanboy I loved it on Superman. It's too difficult to bring him into context otherwise
I Wanna Be The Guy
U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!
The fact this is even a question makes me mad.
TheKaeptain
Banned
that's the thing people don't realize he didn't dictate the fights.
The one time he tried to do so he took Zod in space but Zod took him back down right?
canadian crowe
Member
Thought the same thing. It was a great shot/nod. Wasnt actually him I think though.
piratepwnsninja
Member
Agreed. I honestly can't comprehend some of the reviews. I dislike Supes as a character, always have, and I felt this was phenomenal. Everything worked for me here. I can see why the jump cuts to his childhood didn't for some people, as it felt very "panel to panel" in a comic book sense, but that's part of why I liked it so much. I do wonder if some people just have origin fatigue in general that might play into it. All I know is this made me like Superman more than the Donner movies ever did and certainly more than Returns.
edit: One more thing. I love how you FELT everything in this film.