Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Yeah, but there's no particular reason to think the dub not being great is solely responsible for One Piece not being as popular.
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Yeah, but there's no particular reason to think the dub not being great is solely responsible for One Piece not being as popular.
Yeah, out of all the people I've ever know to read/watch manga/anime, I could count the ones who buy the stuff on one hand.
It doesn't help that people's first exposure to the series was a terrible one. And animation studios seemed to blame OP's failures on the dub too, given the way avoided 4Kids like the plague afterward.
The dub really made it out to be a kiddy show for 9 year olds, while Bleach and Naruto gave off a more mature vibe. First impressions are huge and that rap intro was horrible and childish. Ask someone what they remember about the dub and they'll say the rap.
I hate to break it to you, but...
BassForever
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When this is your introduction to a series it leaves a long, painful memory that is hard to give a second chance. Like going on a date with the most beautiful and smartest girl in school and five minutes into the date she throws up on you, that moment is going to haunt you for a long time.
I'm pretty sure this manga exists.
The problem with Earl & Fairy is that it's a manga adapting the first two volumes of a.. what, 31 volume long light novel series? I wish Viz would stop releasing light novel adaptations that just... oh... stop partway.
Wow. I knew there was a novel, but I thought it was like a 4-5 books thing. At least I hope the manga will get some sort of conclusion.
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Didn't hear about this. Hoping it comes out at least close to Summer/Fall and not near the Winter season.
Excellent news either way.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
This entire line of reasoning presupposes that people were going to like One Piece, generally because "it's popular in Japan and better than Naruto/Bleach!" That isn't really evidence, its speculation. Paul Gilbert could probably explain a few things about that phenomena.
BassForever
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I can't prove that if funimation's current dub had aired first that OP would be more popular in America, but at the same time you can't prove it'd have been received worse. Would it have been more popular to beat out Naruto/Bleach I dunno, but would the series sell better and have better reception? Absolutely
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I have an alternate theory pirates aren't nearly as interesting to young boys as ninjas or sword ghosts, particularly not when they don't do any pirating. One Piece starts pretty slow, too, to be honest. I'm saying it couldn't have had an effect, I'm saying it doesn't make sense to presuppose that it would automatically be Dragonball Z popular merely because its that popular in Japan.
Dedication Through Light
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Fairy Tail only selling 6,000, but I guess its just starting.
I wonder where Magi will fit in for Viz, guess it can easily do better than Toriko, maybe it can be their next bleach saleswise.
BassForever
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This is true, early Naruto may be "boring" but it has ninja's which are cool, early Bleach has big ass swords and huge monsters which is also cool, early One Piece has a rubber guy punching a fat lady and a clown with a red nose...
Berserk 12-21
Griffith seems already like a complex character, his first (of I assume many) fights with Gutts seems like they'll be the highlights of the series. It is kind of easy to see how things are going to develop from where this flash back is to where the series currently is though based upon everyone's OMGZ reactions I guess I'm probably wrong lol.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Naruto starts a full on arc that people claim to love like 5 episodes in (Zabuza/Land of Waves).
Yeah cause Pirates of the Caribbean aren't some of the highest grossing films in the world.
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YES, SHINKAI FTW
Could probably be the next Blue Exorcist for them. It seems to hit the same market.
YES, SHINKAI FTW
Could probably be the next Blue Exorcist for them. It seems to hit the same market.
Natsume throws up in the same chapters she's introduced in in tonari. Amazingly,she actually throws up in a hilariously shoujo way.
Dedication Through Light
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I thought, in North America, Pirates of the Caribbean has actually been going down and down with each release. I would still say that, in North America, the idea of being a Shinobi, is still more compelling to people than, say, being a Pirate on the high seas. There is just something alluring about the idea of being a ninja.
The only reason we are all watching Pirates is for Johhny Depp and not for pirates.
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On Stranger Tides (the fourth movie) made over a billion dollars worldwide. It might be going down in quality, but it's certainly not going down in popularity.
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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Johnny Depp was in it and there aren't even any real pirates in One Piece. The beginning of One Piece is an unintelligent rubber guy sailing around on a boat fighting a clown and a fat lady. The dub doesn't magically explain everything.
It doesn't make sense to simply argue that One Piece would have translated in popularity to the US but for the dub just because its popular in Japan. There isn't any evidence to support that.
To the target audience, sure.
FlutterPuffs
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The problem with One Piece is ultimately the art. It just doesn't seem appealing at first glance.
Which is why the best way to get someone to watch/read One Piece is by forcing them to read/watch a part of it.
Which is why the best way to get someone to watch/read One Piece is by forcing them to read/watch a part of it.
They have to start at the beginning.
Nobody is going to give it a chance coming in at episode 100.
It's going to be rough, but as long as it sticks around on Toonami it will hopefully catch on.
Dedication Through Light
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Infinite Justice
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They might not at ep 1 either, especially given the slow burn.
Good luck to them though.
Dedication Through Light
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I can only hope they do two episodes a week, or else that will take forever to make much progress to where one piece starts getting good. I wonder if it will pull bleach,naruto numbers,
Tower of God s1ch1
I guess it is a good start, though could have said why they are in the Tower in the first place, seemed like an odd detail to not mention in the first chapter. Baam has a good design, at times, some of the panels he looks odd, and like hes vampireish, probably just the art, random. Will keep following I guess, hope it has epic attacks and moments like Soul Cartel.
Its infinitely better. I predict that I will be seeing a Baam loves Koon avatar from you soon
Not sure you still catch this, but the popular theory is that the universe that caused by Pucci's stand.
There aren't any real ninja or shinigami in Naruto/Bleach either.
Yes Johnny Depp was a huge draw, but wasn't THE draw of Pirates of the Carribbean. The pirate theme is still one of the most popular themes in the West (mainly cause of Western roots).
Ninja and shinigami are mainly loved by weeaboo and anime fans for the most part.
One Piece would've translated in popularity in the US if the following things happened:
1. Dubbed aiming on a broad audience rather than just turning it exclusively for a comedy for kids. One Piece has humor in it, but it also has story, character development, amongst other things that define pretty much any series that can appeal to the general audience. The later aspect, 4kids completely axes out of in it's dub, and therefor no one took it seriously in any respect.
2. Advertising and exposure. One Piece barely had either. If One Piece started out on Toonami like Naruto did, it would've been huge. The FoxKids/4kids cartoon block was pretty much losing steam around the time the One Piece dub was shown on television.
3. Actual hype. Most of the hype Bleach and Naruto got back in the day, were from the early days of internet fansub communities. These communities never watched anything more than these two anime and had a very strong cult following. One Piece never got much of a cult following till much later. As soon as Bleach and Naruto aired on TV, they already had thousands of Western fans supportive of these two series, which One Piece didn't really have. The cult following for One Piece didn't really take shape until after One Piece was literally pulled off Toonami.
grandjedi6
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Its a problem with no good solution. Do you start from the beginning and risk losing the audience's attention? Or do you start from somewhere in the middle and risk confusing and alienating audiences? And that's not even mentioning the enormous time commitment involved (Toonami will probably disappear again before they get to where the anime is now lol).
They could always pull a Dragonball Z/GT too. Skip a bunch of episodes and have Funimation create a recap episode for people.
Sorry man, but Gen 5 > Gen 2 > Gen 1 > Gen 4 > Gen 3. Gen 5 got me into the series hardcore again and some of the new stuff is beyond awesome.
At the same time, Squirtle is best water starter. Free.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You were born in the 90s, so I'll take your history lesson with a grain of salt.
You're just making an assumption because its the only explanation that doesn't require the accepting that people actually don't like the same things as you.
Gen 5 is the best, Gen 2 was the worst.
What?
What does that have to do with anything?
Considering I WAS a Naruto fanboy in my youth, I would know more about this than you ever will be.
No I'm making a logical explanation. Mass popularity has absolutely nothing to do with the quality (or lack of) of a work. One Piece has everything it takes to be a massively popular series and more, but unlike the Japanese market it's been treated terribly in the Western market and literally destroyed any chance of it having any exposure.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I'm sure I'll be losing sleep tonight about you knowing more about this than I will ever be.
You were what, 9, when the dub came out?
anime fan subs goes back before the 90s... and anime communities are broader than people like me or you that were growing up when Naruto/Bleach was on
So much wrong with this statement. Pirates succeeded because of Johnny Depp, Orlando Bloom (coming off the LOTR hype) and Disney. Period. No one goes to see just any movie on pirates, and I'd argue pirates are hardly more popular than cowboys/ninjas/samurai/any other bygone romanticized genre.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Well, yeah. Johnny Depp and a $300 million budget is why Pirates of the Carribean was huge.
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