God Dayumm
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Yawn with Kubo and his asspulls to make the same boring captains win
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The thing about it is that it makes everything pointless. What was the point of the 10+ chapters of them stealing Bankai and the captains panicking about it if it's literally reversed by deus ex machina the second the fights start?
AlimNassor
Banned
Kubo pretty much makes the Captains invincible. Realistically speaking, the Captains would not last a minute against these guys. Sadly seeing as this is Kubo and he makes the good guys pretty much invincible, yeah. So it was fun while it lasted, the Quincy are probably going to go down like the Espada.
Bleach: HEY GUYS I JUST TOOK DOWN THE CAPTAIn! Lets just sit here and talk for a few minutes instead of wasting him! I'm positive nothing will happen!
Naruto: Wake me up when they're all dead
One Piece: I guess law is about to die. Please don't kill him off, I liked law.
Bleach: HEY GUYS I JUST TOOK DOWN THE CAPTAIn! Lets just sit here and talk for a few minutes instead of wasting him! I'm positive nothing will happen!
Naruto: Wake me up when they're all dead
One Piece: I guess law is about to die. Please don't kill him off, I liked law.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
Naruto
Get to the point.
Bleach
I need more depth to this explanation. But none the less urahara´s explanation was ok and finally got more depth of the quincy hate towards the hollows.
After re-reading the chapter on the superior translation, it seems that Urahara used the transfer method that Tessai used in TBTP arc when he transferred the vizards into a hidden location, and Hacchi´s technique when he put his arm inside of Barragan´s stomach and finished him off.
I always like how the fights show the personalities of the fighters. In this Cang Du´s personality has been somewhat explored. I loved Mayuri´s explanation about the quincy hate something that has no culture, or ideology.
Masaki would have died if Isshin and Urahara did not help her. Isshin sacrificed his shinigami life to protect her life.
Both Hacchi and Tessai used the same transport kido in the manga. It´s not the first time that happens.
one piece
I knew that Sanji would not last more than 2 seconds.
Get to the point.
Bleach
I need more depth to this explanation. But none the less urahara´s explanation was ok and finally got more depth of the quincy hate towards the hollows.
After re-reading the chapter on the superior translation, it seems that Urahara used the transfer method that Tessai used in TBTP arc when he transferred the vizards into a hidden location, and Hacchi´s technique when he put his arm inside of Barragan´s stomach and finished him off.
I always like how the fights show the personalities of the fighters. In this Cang Du´s personality has been somewhat explored. I loved Mayuri´s explanation about the quincy hate something that has no culture, or ideology.
Masaki would have died if Isshin and Urahara did not help her. Isshin sacrificed his shinigami life to protect her life.
Both Hacchi and Tessai used the same transport kido in the manga. It´s not the first time that happens.
one piece
I knew that Sanji would not last more than 2 seconds.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
So Kodansha did not get any copies of Vinland Saga into Amazon's distribution network and the book is supposed to be out today. What a blunder.
nah just left a trace amount similar to that plot line that magically disappeared when Ichigo was infected by Grimmjows reaistu after his beatdown and only Orihimie could remove it.
FireAndBlood
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Based on these translations, I'm unsure whether Law's only intent was Doflamingo and never planned on taking down Kaidou
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main focus was Doflamingo, and Kaidou would just be gravy.
Law has escaped too many fights. He's definitely doing down this time.
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main focus was Doflamingo, and Kaidou would just be gravy.
Law has escaped too many fights. He's definitely doing down this time.
Glass Rebel
Member
That's not his point. It took a while for Masaki's hollow infection to take effect while Cang Du's was instantaneous. Although it could be that the use of the Bankai accelerated it.
dakkumauji
Member
That's pretty nice.
Wonder how long before they put Kurokuroku out of its misery.
What a weird one-shot.
Probably bomb terribly like all the rest of the new series.
Dedication Through Light
Member
Isnt that the character in the one shot in this issue?
Naked Prime
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Bleach
So if I'm reading this right basically the Urahara is replacing the stolen Bankais with "faux" Resurrections?
So if I'm reading this right basically the Urahara is replacing the stolen Bankais with "faux" Resurrections?
What's with the masaki comparisons? This trace hollow had an instantaneous effect on the bankai (the manifestation of the spirit itself), not the quincy. If Bruce Lee there just disintegrated then maybe there would be something to talk about but the bankai is the focus.
It didn't magically disappear, that's what Orihimes power does, it can reverse time as if an affected portion of the body/soul was never affected.
No he's just hollowfying the captain's bankais (like Ichigo's already is, which is why they couldn't steal it). It's a pretty clever way to give them the Bankais back, but it still doesn't explain how they were taken in the first place.
HURRR PLOT NO JUTSU. Maybe you should pay better attention
Chapter 698
What about all the other times?
I meant more the fact Arrancar reiastu affected ichigo just magically stopped it never mentioned or brought up again
Zoramon089
Banned
Well we see most of the time he's cutting they're visible and when he's controlling they're invisible.
Even when he had Sanji in his "web" we couldn't see the strings holding him. Considering the only other times he's used them to attack was cutting off Oars Jrs. leg (which should have been clear that it was sliced off by how clean the cut was) and Crocs head it's been fairly consistent. This is the first time he's used the whip attack
Well we've also seen him control people like they were puppets, with his hands like there were strings tied to his fingers. This has been foreshadowed since forever.
Glass Rebel
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People actually expected Doflamingo to not have a puppet master-like ability?
Then again, it's Lele so whatever.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem isnt that he has magic teleportation (well it partially is, since nobody else does it unless its highly convenient for plot reasons), its that he has a completely out of the blue solution for everyone's problems. It's a deus ex machina, regardless of whether he explains how he came across it later.
out of the blue?
we know he been trying figure out how to fix bankai issue since the attack on HM when he got the medallion.
Glass Rebel
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Didn't Kubo hint at it by making Ichigo's Bankai the only one that couldn't be stolen?
Any time in animation and comics/manga ever, trap and puppeteering strings are invisible until it becomes appropriate to show them.
Your beef should be with the super-thin, hard-to-see strings' plot-dependant visibility. This is about as "Plot no Jutsu" as Walter's abilities in Hellsing. Heck, even less so because it's been foreshadowed repeatedly and downright forever, and it was explicitly revealed many many chapters before it became relevant
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
"I solved it. Here's a magic pill." is still a deus ex machina. The fact that the solution is featured or referenced doesn't make it not a deus ex machina if it's a contrivance that solves the heroes problems. Urahara didn't actually do anything on screen; he just showed up and said "here, I fixed it."
The deus ex was invented in ancient Greek plays where a God or Goddess would be literally lowered into the scene by a machine to just solve everyone's problems. The fact that some hero prayed to that Goddess earlier in the play doesn't mean its not a contrived solution.
You're confusing consistency and plausibility of the solution with whether its a contrived, sudden solution to everyone's problem that nobody had to earn.
That could just as easily have been because he's part Quincy, which if I remember right is what we all thought originally. If it had been one of the hollowfied captains it would have been a better hint.
Probably because the reveal how he solved it has something that shouldn't be shown for now. But I agree it is deus ex machina.
Probably they met Grimmjow, he told stuff, Urara tested stuff. boom peng
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The fact that he could have made it not a deus ex by simply having a page or two of Urahara discovering that Hollows poison Quincies makes it even more egregious.
There simply wasn't any reason to believe this was going to be the solution and the consistency callbacks don't really fix the problem unless the reader's only concern is that nothing directly contradicts something else.
Aizo
Banned
That's unfortunate. I hope it still sells well! It looks like a fantastic edition.
Glass Rebel
Member
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I wonder if Iris Zero is ever going to come back. I don't remember anything about the story at this point.
Naruto:
Looks like Obito is going to succumb to TnJ soon. Oh well, it was a sweet ride.
One Piece:
Fantastic chapter, this is why I enjoy One Piece.
Bleach:
Not bad at all. Nonsensical, but I don't mind I just want to see cool fights. I'm still pining for Oda to show more Bankais, but I seriously doubt it, lol.
Looks like Obito is going to succumb to TnJ soon. Oh well, it was a sweet ride.
One Piece:
Fantastic chapter, this is why I enjoy One Piece.
Bleach:
Not bad at all. Nonsensical, but I don't mind I just want to see cool fights. I'm still pining for Oda to show more Bankais, but I seriously doubt it, lol.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
So what's Luffy's bankai like, anyways
Probably balanced.
It's probably like Naruto's Haki.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Oda's been slacking off in how he portrays Sasuke.
Save 'N Quit
Banned
Naruto 650
I don't want Kakashi monologuing Obito's pitiful excuses.
I want him out there, meeting Minato again, and helping defeat Obito.
Then we can have Madara swooping in and being the true final boss like he's meant to be.
Bleach 552
And there he is!
Mayuri's face when Urahara appeared was priceless.
One Piece 724
Law is such a boss.
He's by far, the best thing that's happened to One Piece ever since the timeskip.
And I know he's going to lose against Doff, but I can't help but cling to the very unlikely chance that he'll pull off a win.
I don't want Kakashi monologuing Obito's pitiful excuses.
I want him out there, meeting Minato again, and helping defeat Obito.
Then we can have Madara swooping in and being the true final boss like he's meant to be.
Bleach 552
And there he is!
Mayuri's face when Urahara appeared was priceless.
One Piece 724
Law is such a boss.
He's by far, the best thing that's happened to One Piece ever since the timeskip.
And I know he's going to lose against Doff, but I can't help but cling to the very unlikely chance that he'll pull off a win.
TacticalFox88
Banned
I think people are misinterpreting Grimace. He's not saying that the deus ex machina is INHERENTLY a bad thing, its just that regardless of how well it makes sense or how detail its explained, it's stil, at the end of the day, a deus ex machina.
Supposedly "soon."
Last I remember was some stuff and the guy yelling at the girl and misunderstandings.
Tathanen
Get Inside Her!
Hey, nice catch. I like it.
It could just as easily have been because he's part Quincy, which is what we all originally thought, but I'm giving Kubo the benefit of the doubt. It would have been better if it had happened to one of the hollowfied captains.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
BassForever
Member
Here is a very simple way to explain Bankai being "stolen" if it ends up true I called it
The medals don't really "steal" bankai, they simply seal it's power and copy it. This would also explain why giving all the captains hollowfication would instantly hurt the Quincy who had stolen/copied Bankai. If the bankai had truly been stolen then simply giving the shinigami hollowfication shouldn't cause pain to the Quincy the way it did.
The medals don't really "steal" bankai, they simply seal it's power and copy it. This would also explain why giving all the captains hollowfication would instantly hurt the Quincy who had stolen/copied Bankai. If the bankai had truly been stolen then simply giving the shinigami hollowfication shouldn't cause pain to the Quincy the way it did.
I have my doubts that it will ever be explained given that the problem was just solved. If ever there was a time to do it it was in this chapter.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
His point is still false. The hollowed shinigami was specifically designed to spread the hollow virus to other shinigami, while the Urahara method is designed to immediately harm the quincies.
BassForever
Member
We still need to see a scene of the stolen bankai's being returned to the shinigami, it can probably be explained then.
It also doesn't impact the person who stole Yamato's bankai as he's DED, meaning they'll have to come up with another solution for him.
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