serenewarfare
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So what's everyone's predictions for the New Japan Cup tonight? I could see any of the four winning it, but if I had to guess I'd pick Goto probably.
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March Wrasslin' |OT| Forecast for Wrestlemania...cloudy with a heavy chance of Reigns
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Sibersk Esto
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WWF pushed the hell out of Shamrock's UFC background, even if pre-crazy Shamrock was a bit of a goober on the mic. He earned his stripes by getting fucking ROCKED by Vader in their first match.
notworksafe
Member
Yeah, same issues when I try and watch old Raws. But when I watch Wrestlemanias, no issue. I'm on PC though.
FlammableD
Banned
I bought a No More Heroes shirt today. This makes me happy. I had no idea they even existed.
dr3upmushroom
Banned
Watching attitude era matches are really bringing my opinion down of the era. It's about 60% brawling, with some moves sprinkled in. Ruthless Aggression > Attitude.
Carnby
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Brb no pics using imagination gif?
2000/2001 are Attitude era and probably have the best overall wrestling product of any North American product ever.
In in JCP/WCW's best wrestling years either their main card or their undercard wrestlers sucked, depending on when exactly it was.
feh, ain't no 2002 WWE or 1992-1993 WCW.. And I will always state calling anything after 99 'Attitude Era' is HUGELY stretching it.
There's always wiggle room but as far as I'm concerned the New Generation ends at Wrestlemania XIV and the Attitude Era ends at the Invasion PPV.
British Monsoon
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I don't want Goto winning it, because I can't see him defeating either Nakamura or Styles for their respective titles and he's already failed 3 title shots he got from prior New Japan Cup wins. Makabe winning it to set up a NEVER rematch with Ishii seems a possibility, but I think that'd be a big let-down. Naito & Ibushi seem most likely, either getting their hands on the Intercontinental title would be good for them, but I have an inkling that Naito's going to win and then challenge Styles for the Heavyweight title - bearing in mind that they need a main event to sell out Ryogoku next month, only Naito vs Styles or Ibushi vs Nakamura would fit the bill, assuming they don't just give the main event over to a Tanahashi vs Styles rematch.
The arrival of the wrestler's wrestlers(Radicalz, Taz, and Angle) and the brand split are what I consider the flip into the Ruthless Aggression and everything from there is just the Attitude teetering away.
It's like when people cite angle for Attitude Era. Angle's the next generation over. Sure he was there, but he felt like he belonged in the brand split era. Not the Attitude one. Kinda like Bret in the Golden Age vs Bret in the New Generation.
It's like when people cite angle for Attitude Era. Angle's the next generation over. Sure he was there, but he felt like he belonged in the brand split era. Not the Attitude one. Kinda like Bret in the Golden Age vs Bret in the New Generation.
Paracelsus
Member
Some say WMXVII, some say Armageddon 2000, to me personally the AE ended with Fully Loaded 99. After which, it felt like a beta testing of the ruthless aggression era, now featuring The Rock.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Angle definitely thrived after the attitude era proper.
It still feels the same even after Russo leaves and Austin gets injured and doesn't really change until the Invasion happens, when things get really out there.
Though to go on pure feeling sort of messes up my assertion that the New Generation doesn't end until convicted rapist Tyson shows up.
That's what I do. Thus my point earlier of, 'I can't really name a ton of favorite wrestlers since Cena became the face of WWE'
Two eras there. Brand Split and PG era. Maybe even a third as of yet untitled era with the Network/NXT.
serenewarfare
Banned
I don't know how you sell Naito/Styles when Styles beat him clean two months ago at the Dome. I think Naito is least likely to win actually. Ibushi would be my second choice. I could see he and Styles main eventing that Ryogoku show.
I think my favorite part of the 1997 stuff so far me and Sibersk Esto have been going over recently (apart from the obvious stuff) is how Brett gets the Hart Foundation (back?) together. Seemed to make so much sense and felt very organic with him intervening in the tag team breakup of Owen and Bulldog. Really cool heel faction. The Nation vs Ahmed is dragging a bit for me though but I am a huge Ahmed fan, dude is badass. Two great factions running at once while current day WWE has nothing!
Styles has beaten just about everyone clean since his arrival. Ibushi can't beat Nakamura and Styles can. Okada can't beat Tanahashi and Styles can. Naito is the closest thing AJ has had to a 'rival' since he showed up in NJPW. And it works for Naito too because of the angle with his jealousy of Okada and Tanahashi.
inb4naitojoinsbulletclub
Sibersk Esto
Banned
The Nation becomes way more tolerable after getting rid of the opening rap
All leading to Survivor Series Gang Rulz!
bitesnintendog
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Ring Ka King was his last big wrestling thing. He was a lot of fun in that and would run into the crowd to scare the shit out of people. I'd be willing to bet he'll show up in Global Force Wrestling if he's still able as Jarrett likes to give him work.
slightconfuse
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Wouldn't mind Makabe/nakamura
dr3upmushroom
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True, by that point they got most of the great guys from ECW/WCW, and they had plenty of great gimmick matches with a strong tag team and midcard division where both the Euro an Inter titles where having great matches for them.
WM 17 is really was the end of the attitude era. Sure maybe somewhere around '99 was the peak, but there was still some transition going on in 2000-early 2001.
and Stevie Ray on commentary. and Brian Adams.
serenewarfare
Banned
I guess I just see that as the least enticing of the options considering we just saw it. I'd much rather see a fresh match-up.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Yeah it's a shame Punk already POURED PAUL BEARER'S ASHES OVER HIS BODY
If you didn't watch dying WCW, you can't comment on peoples favorites of that time period. Because out of place, it's a very odd selection but given the writing and insane nature of it all, you found who you could find to like and you liked them as much as you could.
Vince Russo, Totally Buffed, Kronik, Scott Steiner(who is 10/10 in any time period imo so he's an exception), FUNB Hogan, Goldberg, Juvi, Bam Bam, Kimberly(nothing to do with her wrestling or acting ability), Booker T, Stevie Ray.
You made due with what you had.
Vince Russo, Totally Buffed, Kronik, Scott Steiner(who is 10/10 in any time period imo so he's an exception), FUNB Hogan, Goldberg, Juvi, Bam Bam, Kimberly(nothing to do with her wrestling or acting ability), Booker T, Stevie Ray.
You made due with what you had.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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DM outing himself as a fan of the exploitation of Paul Bearer's death. I didn't see this heel turn coming!
slightconfuse
Banned
Gonna need some receipts on. Buff daddy the only good thing was his hat
Brandsplit / Draft Era and PG Era.
Arguably, you could say the brand split / draft era actually ended sooner than it did, it just took them a bit to finally acknowledge they didn't have the roster for it anymore.
Technically we could also be starting the Reality Era, where kayfabe barely exists and you had Punk and Total Divas and whatever else as UFC starts to compete more and more
giancarlo123x
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One more week till the NXT house show in Tampa. I'm so excited. How long are these usually?
Mr. Luchador
Member
Mike Sanders as Jeff Jarrett Jr was far too much for me during the dying days of WCW.
In hindsight the brandsplit was a great idea, it just ran out of steam and lacked direction. I'm enjoying what I've seen so far in 2002. What I remember of it in 2006 was pretty crap though. The 4 years in between are dark to me, as I never saw them.
In hindsight the brandsplit was a great idea, it just ran out of steam and lacked direction. I'm enjoying what I've seen so far in 2002. What I remember of it in 2006 was pretty crap though. The 4 years in between are dark to me, as I never saw them.
HULK HOGAN GIMMICK RANKINGS. Thunderlips and Spence don't count as the ywere in movies/tv shows and that ain't canon. Spence is top tier that's all you need to know.
1. OG Hulk Hogan (like 84 up to Mega Powers breakup)
2. Hollywood Hulk Hogan
3. 2002 Hulk Hogan
4. FUNB Hogan
5. 'Fuck off Sting' old man Hogan in TNA
6. Ichiban Hulk Hogan
7. 'Mr. President Brother' Hollywood Hulk Hogan
8. Cholo Hollywood Hulk Hogan(7 & 8 were only for like a week but fuck you)
9. Terry Boulder
10. WCW Hulk Hogan returns(That's the Wall, brother)
11. Super Destroyer
12. Mr America
13. 1993-1996 Omega Cunt Hogan(including shaved mustache proto-Hollywood Hogan)
1. OG Hulk Hogan (like 84 up to Mega Powers breakup)
2. Hollywood Hulk Hogan
3. 2002 Hulk Hogan
4. FUNB Hogan
5. 'Fuck off Sting' old man Hogan in TNA
6. Ichiban Hulk Hogan
7. 'Mr. President Brother' Hollywood Hulk Hogan
8. Cholo Hollywood Hulk Hogan(7 & 8 were only for like a week but fuck you)
9. Terry Boulder
10. WCW Hulk Hogan returns(That's the Wall, brother)
11. Super Destroyer
12. Mr America
13. 1993-1996 Omega Cunt Hogan(including shaved mustache proto-Hollywood Hogan)
Mr. Luchador
Member
2002 Hogan is so damn good, as he seems so humble about it all. His retirement speech isn't on Mark Henry levels, but it's perhaps the most emotional I've ever seen Hogan.
Roland_Gunner
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Goto just isn't a top tier guy so losing to AJ isn't going to hurt him any more. Ibushi still has a shot at being one of the people who replace Tanahashi and Nakamura as they go down so I think having him drop another title match would be a mistake. They really should have put Shibata over and had him go for the title at Sumo Hall.
Mr. Luchador
Member
I know we've talked it about a few times, but I'll say it again - 2002 Hogan has made me a Hulkamaniac again. It's such a great end to his WWE Story; it's booked well and everyone plays their part - even down to Edge marking out for Hogan.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
fantastic crowds