Shit I may have to slot Cena into this race. Truly a constantly evolving wrestling.
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March Wrasslin' |OT| The March to Wrestlemania XXXIII!
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Shit I may have to slot Cena into this race. Truly a constantly evolving wrestling.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Who is the British Ted Turner?
Mase Gumble
Member
Whoever runs ITV.
Get 'em.
Both.
The growth of streaming wrestling as well as the growth of British wrestling.
These guys signed mark deals that limit their involvment on iPPVs as well as indies all for the hope that some how the WWE will signe them.
Which is fucking dumb.
You really think Tyler Bate at all of 5'4" is going to main event wrestlemania? Or fucking get a main roster spot?
Right now World of Sport is rolling out a TV show that will be the highest rated Wrestling in the UK and Progress and ICW have been growing at a steady pace with online PPVs and streaming networks. Rev Pro is creating matchups and filling venues with.
Now these UK performers are giving up all of the cross promotional opportunities, name rights, merch rights, and even exposure all for $20,000???
These guys could work at a starbucks and make more and get insurance.
JesseEwiak
Member
Probably because despite all the myth making by indy evangelists and the dozen indy workers making good money, that 20k is still a better deal than trying to work indy dates in the UK, especially when it's likely that within a few years, this boom will be dead just like the indy boom during the early to mid 2000's over here in the US?
Maybe promoters should pay workers enough they don't sign for Vince.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
newcomers defending Vince's monopoly
Jesse's no newcomer, he's been trolling people for years and somehow they keep falling for it instead of just hitting block
JesseEwiak
Member
...and by trolling, you mean having an opinion different from the WressleGAF groupthink.
"well that little family store next to Walmart should just charge less for products"
TarpitCarnivore
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JesseEwiak
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It's so easy every indy guy that doesn't have a New Japan hookup or doesn't have personal issues with the WWE is running for that sweet developmental money. This idea of the indies paved with gold is a myth when in reality, there are fewer people making a decent living from wrestling than anytime since probably after World War II.
I mean, it's economics. Pay your workers what they're worth or you'll lose them.
Yup
Think WWE will ever get them?
And who killed the US indie scene and the mainstream popularity of wrestling in the US? Who made it tougher for the US indie worker?
Right now the UK has a healthy scene that is able to have multiple promotions and multiple shows running each weekend with paths to Japan, Mexico, and the US through partner promotions.
Part of the fault lies with UK promotions even thinking about hiring talent the WWE has signed. Those guys should be excommunicado from under cards and indie shows in the UK.
Yeah these guys can have their 20k for 1 year but the UK scene if grown through proper TV deals could be making way fucking more in 3-4.
I'm pretty sure the only way Omega signs is if they bring his friends with him, or Ibushi but that's not happening, so yeah, I could see it happening
Nah. Bucks are making way too much from ROH + indie bookings + merch sales. Only way I could see them coming over is if they promised to send to them straight to the main roster like AJ.
Mase Gumble
Member
Re: the mark deals, I can't fault anyone who took them, who's gonna turn down 16 grand of free money and from what it seems like keep most if not all of your bookings anyway. And I'm sure any WWE dates they get will most likely pay more.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
slightconfuse
Banned
WWE really should open performance centers around the country.
Asking people to move to Florida is a big hurdle for those with family's. Espaically on a NXT salary.
Owens always talks about how the minute he got to the main roster he moved back to Montreal.
Asking people to move to Florida is a big hurdle for those with family's. Espaically on a NXT salary.
Owens always talks about how the minute he got to the main roster he moved back to Montreal.
JesseEwiak
Member
...and by made it tougher, you mean signed to a guaranteed contract and made them decent money, right? Because that's what actually happened to all the top indy guys of the mid-2000's who werent't basically crazy egomaniacs (hi Low Ki!).
Your low tier indy guy was still your low tier indy guy. If anything, the WWE signing people made it easier for those folks.
Now, was it bad for certain promoters? Sure. But promoters are 99% scum and I never feel any sympathy for them.
Ignoring the fact that you're assuming this ITV deal will be anything but something that is forgotten about in five years ("hey, remember in the mid-2010's when one of the UK indies actually had a TV show for 12 weeks?), those UK promotions will be able to keep their talent as long as they pay them the market rate they deserve.
You really think they'd refuse coming in with Omega as The Elite?
Just don't send experience pro wrestler to NXT/ performance center. There no reason why a guy like ko should be there.
slightconfuse
Banned
It's all about $$$. WWE will only get a certain level of wreslte r with what they are willing to pay.
It's why ZSJ didn't sign, guy probably makes a good living on the indies. Plus gets to keep all his merch money
HazySaiyan
Banned
These EVIL chair spots are getting more and more ridiculous. I mean how was that not a DQ?
JesseEwiak
Member
Japan has always had weird relaxed rules about DQ's for some weird reason. I mean, Muta didn't even hide spraying the mist the vast majority of the time in New Japan.
slightconfuse
Banned
JesseEwiak
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NXT's a secondary brand that makes them money. I don't get why people are confused about this.
Mase Gumble
Member
Why not, at the very least NXT is a good way to introduce new rasslers to the WWE audience.
NXT is not just about training, it's also about giving exposure before these guys debut on the main roster
Or do you really think they could have debuted Balor without him ever doing NXT and having him still get the same buzz? Or does Balor not count as an experienced pro wrestler because you don't like him?
BewareTheBatsie
Member
I always got the idea with guys like KO and Finn it was more just throwing some star power there then the fact the guys needed to learn the WWE style. Plus they weren't AJ levels of big who could jump to the main roster and have everyone know who he was.
It's like why guys like Nakamura and Roode are down there. It's less 'these guys gotta learn the ropes' and more 'these guys are the only draws we have now'.
It's like why guys like Nakamura and Roode are down there. It's less 'these guys gotta learn the ropes' and more 'these guys are the only draws we have now'.
Yeah, and it ruined his career, look how low on the card he is right now...
Of course it's about $, and these guys aren't stupid, they know what they're worth
Most of the audience doesn't watch NXT
Triple H said a long ago NXT wasn't developmental anymore and that it was going to be treated as the third brand, but I guess it's easier to ignore that and continue the hard cam jokes, even fucking Meltzer does them.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
I think enough watch to get it. Bayley's pop at Battleground last year was thunderous for her first official main roster appearance. Everyone knew Balor was a big deal as well.
How the fuck did the RAW crowds start chanting those stupid Enzo & Cass lines right from the beginning then?
No, you're right, it is annoying, it makes everything feel less organic, just like having to say 'WWE' before mentioning a particular belt or the name of a ppv, or having to refer to fans as "The WWE Universe"
Ninja Scooter
Member
Winged Owl Belt>Winged Eagle Belt
Mase Gumble
Member
But they all watch ROH so would be 'oh shit here's Kevin Owens' and 'not who the fuck is this bum?' when he debuts cold on Raw right?
BewareTheBatsie
Member
But famed wrestler Juice Robinson worked in NXT.
NXT isn't the worst thing in the world. It's probably for the better as some have said it gives better exposure before they are called up.