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[FlammableD]

stealing from boots' twitter, because jfc

 

[Jamie OD]

Yeah, definitely. That was all Mutoh's idea, he can generally make things happen across the usual promotional divides. There's very few Japanese promotions I could see NJPW working with in this day and age, either they're traditional competitors like AJPW & NOAH, or rising ones such as BJW & DDT.

And even then those relationships don't last as long as I would like them too.

 

[British Monsoon]

stealing from boots' twitter, because jfc

Drew's so good, him and Ethan Silver are real ones to watch in the next year or so.

Also, here's Eddie fucking Dennis murderising poor Jimmy;

And even then those relationships don't last as long as I would like them too.

Wish the DDT working relationship didn't go sour, I was so looking forward to Tanahashi in the general election.

 

[klonere]

stealing from boots' twitter, because jfc

Gah dang there is nothing better than a good lungblower/codebreaker sell. I think Gallagher had a really excellent one in the match with Gibson.

Drew's so good, him and Ethan Silver are real ones to watch in the next year or so.

Also, here's Eddie fucking Dennis murderising poor Jimmy;

Wish the DDT working relationship didn't go sour, I was so looking forward to Tanahashi in the general election.

And even then those relationships don't last as long as I would like them too.

I think NJPW are pretty happy to be in their own bubble for now and are one of the only promotions in Japan that can do that. Still, the NOAH relationship produced one of the more interesting G1 lineups in a long while so it's always nice to have them bring in outsiders.

 

[FlammableD]

Gah dang there is nothing better than a good lungblower/codebreaker sell. I think Gallagher had a really excellent one in the match with Gibson.

there were at least 2 on the last progress show

Drew's so good, him and Ethan Silver are real ones to watch in the next year or so.

Natural Progression V is going to be stacked after a year off, calling it now.

 

[British Monsoon]

Natural Progression V is going to be stacked after a year off, calling it now.

Definitely, there's a TON of guys who are just waiting for a bit of exposure - Tom Dawkins for instance, the guy has definitely got 'it', he just needs more experience.

Oh shit, Honma seems to have suffered a pretty bad injury at today's NJPW show in Okinawa - paramedics rushed to the ring after he took a DDT awkwardly, he's been given oxygen and is responsive, but is being stretchered to the back.

It was from Jado's rope hung DDT, apparently Honma's foot was caught up in the ropes and he landed really badly.

 

[Beefy]

Indeed you do. Be gentle.

Hornswoggle derseves some love.

Spoiler

make it for only a week though

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

It was from Jado's rope hung DDT, apparently Honma's foot was caught up in the ropes and he landed really badly.

That really stinks. Hopefully it was just a stinger and he'll be able to go on Monday as he and Makabe have a tag title match.

Otherwise this will be the second title match where Ishii/Yano win thanks to an injury on the other side.

 

[Caderfix]

So Beefy's been the champ for less than a week and is already burying talent, huh? Poor Menome.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Ryback turned down TNA's offer to him

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

Ryback turned down TNA's offer to him

Dumbass. He would look like a real star over there since they're in the process of rebuilding

 

[Zach]

gotcha. man that gif of bayley cold clocking a goofy running Dana Brooke had me in stiches for a good 5 minutes or so. Think I'll go stare at that for a bit.

Someone post this, please.

 

[FlammableD]

Dumbass. He would look like a real star over there since they're in the process of rebuilding

I can't say anyone's a dumbass for wanting to steer clear of TNA

 

[Heroman]

Dumbass. He would look like a real star over there since they're in the process of rebuilding

 

[PartTimeWarrior]

I can't say anyone's a dumbass for wanting to steer clear of TNA

It's not like he's working big name indies. Might as well go somewhere you can get TV time and a paycheck (at least I think TNA is finally paying their employees)

 

[klonere]

I can't say anyone's a dumbass for wanting to steer clear of TNA

Pretty much

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Might as well go somewhere you can get a paycheck

LMFAO

 

[HazySaiyan]

Was TNA's offer an exclusive contract? Cause if it wasn't I'd have just gone with it if I were him.

 

[Luschient]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0tdDHSYJ7g

This is still probably one of my favorite Macho Man stories.

lol @ "they won a prestigious Pro Wrestling Illustrated award...."

 

[whatevermort]

Was TNA's offer an exclusive contract? Cause if it wasn't I'd have just gone with it if I were him.

Can't have been - no way Del Rio's taken an exclusive contract, so can't imagine Ryback's was.

 

[SomewhatGroovy]

Someone post this, please.

.

 

[Fox318]

that ramp looks so small.

 

[Sephzilla]

that ramp looks so small.

Vince, we made to make budget cuts.

CUT THE RAMP IN HALF, DAMNIT

 

[excelsiorlef]

lol @ "they won a prestigious Pro Wrestling Illustrated award...."

PWI might be a joke but the DDP vs Savage Feud was hot and absolutely put DDP on the map... he was the companies second biggest baby face after Goldberg for quite a while.

 

[Y2Kev]

What are ratings like with Owens as a champion? It feels miz like. He's the champion but not even really the main draw here.

 

[Hasney]

What are ratings like with Owens as a champion? It feels miz like. He's the champion but not even really the main draw here.

Holding, but going down here and there. I mean, the whole show of Raw is pretty shit.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

Ryback turned down TNA's offer to him

Ryback seems focused on building his nutrition company and only wrestles to keep his name out and cash coming in. If TNA really wants to start running house shows that may be too much time for him.

 

[Fox318]

Vince, we made to make budget cuts.

CUT THE RAMP IN HALF, DAMNIT

Its just crazy how the more colorful and loud they make their ramp and stage the less and less I care.

I feel like there needs to be a balance between showy and grit that the WWE just doesn't understand how to do any more because they think they make movies

 

[Sephzilla]

What are ratings like with Owens as a champion? It feels miz like. He's the champion but not even really the main draw here.

Ratings are mediocre. Considering how bad Raw is as a whole I'm surprised the ratings are holding where they are right now.

Its just crazy how the more colorful and loud they make their ramp and stage the less and less I care.

I feel like there needs to be a balance between showy and grit that the WWE just doesn't understand how to do any more because they think they make movies

I still say they need to go back to a simple and small set again. Save the showy stuff for the PPVs. The TV show sets are too big and it really undercuts the wrestlers themselves.

 

[HashtagLapsed]

What are ratings like with Owens as a champion? It feels miz like. He's the champion but not even really the main draw here.

It is a shame because Owens and Jericho were the highlights of raw for me over the last number of months but the ratings were not great. Although I do doubt it would matter who was champ, within reason, to be honest.

It was a shitty situation for Rollins too.

 

[Beefy]

that ramp looks so small.

Dana still got gased jogging down it.

 

[klonere]

What are ratings like with Owens as a champion? It feels miz like. He's the champion but not even really the main draw here.

Ratings are in a very steady decline and more importantly, not declining as fast as other cable programming is, sports aside.

The real draws are the old guys, they put 55,000 in the Alamodome on the backs of Taker, Goldberg and Lesnar.

 

[Menome]

that ramp looks so small.

Which is probably why Dana looks so awkward running down it. She's got to look like she's hurrying, but still get caught by Bayley, all in the distance of about two dinner tables.

 

[Sweeney Tom]

Observer says we're gonna get more MAGA in TNA. Jarrett's big marketing idea is "Let's Make TNA Great Again", presenting the good old days of TNA when Jeff was in charge, and implicitly burying (not mentioning her by name) the Dixie regime saying that since she took over, things went off-rails

 

[Beefy]

Observer says we're gonna get more MAGA in TNA. Jarrett's big marketing idea is "Let's Make TNA Great Again", presenting the good old days of TNA when Jeff was in charge, and implicitly burying (not mentioning her by name) the Dixie regime saying that since she took over, things went off-rails

TNA getting worse?

 

[Sephzilla]

Let's Make TNA Great Again implies that TNA was great in the first place, though

Spoiler

/s

 

[excelsiorlef]

Observer says we're gonna get more MAGA in TNA. Jarrett's big marketing idea is "Let's Make TNA Great Again", presenting the good old days of TNA when Jeff was in charge, and implicitly burying (not mentioning her by name) the Dixie regime saying that since she took over, things went off-rails

Jarrett gonna make TNA the wrestling choice for bigots...

 

[HashtagLapsed]

The call ups from NXT have been a bit puzzling. Dana, Nia and Alexa all getting called up pretty repidly. Similar could be said for Corbin and Crews. AA called up and floundering. But they have people immediately over like Nakamura and Roode who sort of stay there and lose their appeal because NXT has been so mediocre lately.

I know they need draws for touring but fucking hell.

 

[Recall]

Ratings are in a very steady decline and more importantly, not declining as fast as other cable programming is, sports aside.

They've been in a steady decline since 2001 and have held steady-ish for the last few years. WWE doesn't draw the biggest numbers and never will again, it's just not possible for the mainstream attachment to return like it once did.

 

[Beefy]

The call ups from NXT have been a bit puzzling. Dana, Nia and Alexa all getting called up pretty repidly. Similar could be said for Corbin and Crews. AA called up and floundering. But they have people immediately over like Nakamura and Roode who sort of stay there and lose their appeal because NXT has been so mediocre lately.

I know they need draws for touring but fucking hell.

Corbin is decent, it's just his hair. Crews needs a soul injection.

 

[Sephzilla]

The call ups from NXT have been a bit puzzling. Dana, Nia and Alexa all getting called up pretty repidly. Similar could be said for Corbin and Crews. AA called up and floundering. But they have people immediately over like Nakamura and Roode who sort of stay there and lose their appeal because NXT has been so mediocre lately.

I know they need draws for touring but fucking hell.

Nia Jax and Apollo Crews were called up waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. Corbin has mostly been fine, it's just that his hair gives him an incredibly shitty look. The rest I think have been mostly decent. Brooks maybe needed a little more time in NXT but she was called up as a package with Emma - but then Emma got hurt right away

 

[HashtagLapsed]

Corbin is decent, it's just his hair. Crews needs a soul injection.

I agree Corbin has improved a lot and at some point everyone needs to jump in at the deep end.

It is crazy how the handles Crews. They havent even tried to let him express a character and he is so good.

 

[Empyrean Heaven]

The call ups from NXT have been a bit puzzling. Dana, Nia and Alexa all getting called up pretty repidly. Similar could be said for Corbin and Crews. AA called up and floundering. But they have people immediately over like Nakamura and Roode who sort of stay there and lose their appeal because NXT has been so mediocre lately.

I know they need draws for touring but fucking hell.

I think it's a little of that, but also based around the fact that a lot of guys want to go to NXT first. But notice that guys like Dana, Nia, Alexa, Carmella, and Mojo Rawley got called up. The reasoning is because that they didn't wrestle on the independent scene before going to NXT, and this shows people that the Performance Center can take people with no experience and get them to the big time.

I agree that a lot of it is the lack of draws in NXT, Nakamura, Roode, Young, Strong, Black, Ohno - they are all established names on the indy circuit so fans are going to go for them. I think the build-up for the Cruiserweight division will also help, as guys like Almas are perfectly suited for it.

Also, Apollo Crews will be a world champ if he gets a personality. Dude is so good in the ring.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Speaking of Emma.... so is she ever gonna come back as just Emma after that Emmalina thing?

Maybe they're holding off till after Mania because there's nothing for her right now

 

[Sephzilla]

I think it's a little of that, but also based around the fact that a lot of guys want to go to NXT first. But notice that guys like Dana, Nia, Alexa, Carmella, and Mojo Rawley got called up. The reasoning is because that they didn't wrestle on the independent scene before going to NXT, and this shows people that the Performance Center can take people with no experience and get them to the big time.

I agree that a lot of it is the lack of draws in NXT, Nakamura, Roode, Young, Strong, Black, Ohno - they are all established names on the indy circuit so fans are going to go for them. I think the build-up for the Cruiserweight division will also help, as guys like Almas are perfectly suited for it.

Huh, this is something I actually didn't think about.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

NXT loses Nakamura and Roode and I would bet that the already low ratings for NXT weekly shows would shoot down more.

In a way it's WWE's own fault for not trying to make fresh main event tier stars in NXT for people to want to tune in on.

 

[HashtagLapsed]

Nia Jax and Apollo Crews were called up waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. Corbin has mostly been fine, it's just that his hair gives him an incredibly shitty look. The rest I think have been mostly decent. Brooks maybe needed a little more time in NXT but she was called up as a package with Emma - but then Emma got hurt right away

The people who got called up to SD outisde of the tag division have done pretty well. Especially the womens roster everyone was so skeptical about. And it is really good. But it is still crazy so many people got called up while others got left behind who are mote than ready.

I mean, I would like to see Nakamura vs Cien Almas, badly, but they botched him wo badly we probably wont see it. I cant think of anyone else in NXT I want to see Nakamura wrestle when there are so many on Raw or SD that would have a wonderful match with him.

 

[Recall]

Nia Jax and Apollo Crews were called up waaaaaaaaaaaaay too early. Corbin has mostly been fine, it's just that his hair gives him an incredibly shitty look. The rest I think have been mostly decent. Brooks maybe needed a little more time in NXT but she was called up as a package with Emma - but then Emma got hurt right away

Why can't the WWE write something entertaining for Apollo? WWE seem to have made him a jobber without actually giving him anything to work with.

 

[Sephzilla]

Why can't the WWE write something entertaining for Apollo? WWE seem to have made him a jobber without actually giving him anything to work with.

Answer = He's not Roman/Cena or fighting Roman/Cena thus he gets nothing interesting

 

[Syder]

Was considering suspending my account but you guys would have been missed. Nice to be able to participate again.

Welcome back.