So Vince is aware of NXT now.
Welp. It's been fun.
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slightconfuse
Banned
Nicole Savoy is awesome
NXT show was crazy last night, my voice is destroyed, crowd was nuts. Such a great time
Mad jealous of you and everyone else in the thread who got to go.
What was your fav match and how got the biggest reactions?
British Monsoon
Member
Yep, very impressed with her technique. She lays her strikes in as well, which I always appreciate.
FlammableD
Banned
Some of her strikes at the start of the first match were godawful, she seems to have sorted it out now
FlammableD
Banned
Also, someone climbed the Elimination Chamber at Axxess, and got arrested.
Perspicacity
Banned
She's smarter than the people that think this isn't the reason corporations do charity work.
Paracelsus
Member
I don't know what's funnier, if the Charismatic Enabler or the Has-Been Kid.
Needs one on his head first.
British Monsoon
Member
Yeah, I'll put that down to nerves or inexperience - Evie's a striker as well, so perhaps she was more comfortable throwing kicks with her.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
When Itami hit the GTS it was probably the best moment of the night.
My favorite match though was Charlotte/Banks.
Watching clips of the NXT show from last night and its refreshing to not have some sort of Authority or Executive in the show.
Just somebody who wanted to put the talent together and make his promotion the best.
I also think the products protected status with taping and letting some guys grow into their own has helped train the audience.
I hope we get past "what" chants and "you fucked up chants" for talent just starting but the audience isn't completely protesting the program. They came to watch some wrestling and to have some fun. In a way that sort of audience involvement has kinda backfired with the booking of Roman Reigns but on NXT it has worked. Nobody is thinking about somebody getting a push or burial because of the physical limitations or their pull within the company. They are watching something that doesn't have somebody like a HHH not wanting Kurt Angle to have a main event career because he is short.
The brand split idea and WCW as a separate product may not have failed because they were bad ideas but rather because somebody like a Kevin Dunn or Micheal Hayes was in Vince's ear telling him it wasn't going to work. You can't really do that with HHH. He already is better at talent management than a Johnny Ace and actually has brought in guys that lasted compared to Ace.
I know Vince will never write an Autobiography but I think we might get one from Paul Levesque one day.
Just somebody who wanted to put the talent together and make his promotion the best.
I also think the products protected status with taping and letting some guys grow into their own has helped train the audience.
I hope we get past "what" chants and "you fucked up chants" for talent just starting but the audience isn't completely protesting the program. They came to watch some wrestling and to have some fun. In a way that sort of audience involvement has kinda backfired with the booking of Roman Reigns but on NXT it has worked. Nobody is thinking about somebody getting a push or burial because of the physical limitations or their pull within the company. They are watching something that doesn't have somebody like a HHH not wanting Kurt Angle to have a main event career because he is short.
The brand split idea and WCW as a separate product may not have failed because they were bad ideas but rather because somebody like a Kevin Dunn or Micheal Hayes was in Vince's ear telling him it wasn't going to work. You can't really do that with HHH. He already is better at talent management than a Johnny Ace and actually has brought in guys that lasted compared to Ace.
I know Vince will never write an Autobiography but I think we might get one from Paul Levesque one day.
funkystudent
Member
Didnt someone get kicked out a few years ago for giving someone the Razors Edge inside the Hell in a Cell they had set up?
Not gonna lie I would be tempted to do some dumb stuff if I was there but I would think I have the common sense to go "maybe I shouldnt try do the lionsault"
BeatnikGunsoo
Member
so yeah I just saw the miz and corey thing on wrestlemania today
and oh boy I felt legit bad for corey holy shit was that fucked up
and oh boy I felt legit bad for corey holy shit was that fucked up
plagiarize
Banned
very true.
FlammableD
Banned
Why'd they do it or why'd they get arrested?
avengers23
Banned
Sasha vs. Charlotte was match of the night, but Itami got the biggest pop for hitting the GTS.
My favorite match was Charolette vs Banks, these two stole the show again. Incredible.
Loudest in ring pop was Itami hitting the GTS, place went completely bonkers for it.
Loudest out of ring pop was Enzo and Cass, I swear everybody in that arena recited their entire schtick and hand gestures, it was a sight to see as I know some critics thought that this routine was only over at the performance center.
There really wasn't a bad seat in this entire arena, it was such a great experience.
It goes to show that if you are going to do a promotion you either need to construct your own stage or have proper lighting and a decent presentation budget.
Does Sinclair really care about ROH?
FlammableD
Banned
People do lots of dumb stuff. It's like the people who run into the ring I guess.
British Monsoon
Member
I think it goes to show that while people may sound like they're looking for an alternative, what they really want is an alternative that's still under the WWE banner. Vince has a hold of everyone by the short & curlies.
People were doing this to Owens last night and he schooled them pretty good, not sure if there's clips of hi and Sammy's back and forth online yet, but it's worth checking out.
To be fair, WWE has at least 75% of the world's best wrestlers under contract, that is probably a big factor in this.
Plus, production values matter, even when people will pretend it doesn't, good presentation, lighting and sound helps a lot.
Even if NXT wasn't a WWE product it'd be one of the best promotions in the world today quality-wise, so it doesn't surprise me how fast it's growing and basically getting into buildings that can damn near carry a RAW program.
NXT is a promotion that uses simple booking to appeal to the fans of the current generation. It's really that simple.
NXT is a promotion that uses simple booking to appeal to the fans of the current generation. It's really that simple.
slightconfuse
Banned
Wwe is a big part of it. The name sells.
Oh absolutely. I'm saying from a quality standpoint it's probably one of the best promotions in the world right now.
slightconfuse
Banned
British Monsoon
Member
They have some great talent, including many who have been just as great for years in other promotions, but to the majority of the audience it doesn't matter in the slightest until they're in a WWE ring. Just like other products don't matter because they aren't under the WWE banner.
I'm not dismissing the value of top level production, but if ECW could become a success with a DIY ethos and shitty production, then there's no reason it can't happen again except for the wilful ignorance of most modern WWE fans.
Scouting his main opponent for tomorrow. Good work.
If wrestling suddenly became as hot as it was in the late 90's then a promotion with ECW level production and talent would probably do about as well as they did.
ROH in many ways is ECW for the modern era. Obviously not in the ethos of the company but used as a minor league proving ground, making repeated awful decisions when it comes to television deals, awful management. There's just a lot less money to go around.
ROH in many ways is ECW for the modern era. Obviously not in the ethos of the company but used as a minor league proving ground, making repeated awful decisions when it comes to television deals, awful management. There's just a lot less money to go around.
I think WWE does a ton of stuff right as far as stadium booking, talent(with the exception of Miz, Kane, and Big Show), lighting, and having standards in presentation.
Lucha Underground is great but I think people still want a touring company or a live company.
God damn it Cena!
Did Cena get his suits from Mark Teixeira?
slightconfuse
Banned
I think boots point is that wrestling fans are loyal to a fault . The scream,and cry about raw but refuse to look for alternatives. NXT is basically wwe providing it's own alterntive so,people,care. people want to like wwe so nxt allows them to
Mr. Luchador
Member
I'd watch something else if it was available - WWE is the most easily accessible promotion to watch in the UK (if you have Sky). I should probably watch TNA, but I keep forgetting about it. Sadly, there's not really a lot of wrestling shows up here in the North-East, we get one about every 4 months (which I try to go to).
LU from what little I've seen is the right way to do a studio wrestling show. NXT also does it right but it's clear that they go wrestling first, tv show second whereas LU is TV first and foremost.
You'd think TNA which has now been a TV first product for 5 years would have figured their shit out but nope.
You'd think TNA which has now been a TV first product for 5 years would have figured their shit out but nope.
I don't know shit about ROH but didn't ECW got such a following because it was Attitude era stuff before Vince took that idea, the low production values aesthetic working well with the style they were going for and the scarcity of its programming in the 90s making it far more coveted as a product?
Doesn't ROH try and present a very serious, "this is about the wrestling" type product? Which in turn probably needs a higher level of production and care take to make it feel "right" on that level than batshit crazy motherfuckers hitting each other with chairs in a warehouse in Philly. Also didn't ECW fail to make real money, ever?
I'm DEFINITELY not defending WWE fans here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eMUBT55fDU
The whole Sami Zayn/Kevin Owens promo from the NXT segment, in potato quality.
The whole Sami Zayn/Kevin Owens promo from the NXT segment, in potato quality.