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[SolidSnakex]

Sony on Always Online:









Yo guys. Ain't nothing vague about this. Them the facts. Deal.with.it.


Contrast with Microsoft's response on the issue so far in this topic right here.

And that's all the exact same message. And Cerny talked a bit about his feelings on DRM (which he doesn't like) in Game Changers interview. He said that he feels companies should try to make people want to be online by creating communities that they'd want to be part of. That's basically what they're describing here. They aren't going to require you to connect, but they're going to put things in place that they hope will make you want to connect your PS4. You get a bunch of social media and video recording options if you're connect, along with the obvious online play for those games that feature it, but you're not required to be connected.

So either Sony is just flat out lying and all their major execs are in on it, or the PS4 doesn't require an internet connection at all.

 

[Mxrz]

Good fucking god, the cognitive dissonance is appalling. They couldn't be ANYMORE clearer that you can play the PS4 COMPLETELY offline with NO issues and yet you're still clinging to the dumbshit idea that they'll force you to use an internet connection?

Are some of you fucking stupid?

For whatever reasons, some people are really praying that Sony will follow MS on all their stupid shit. Its completely messed up to want companies to take away your rights, but thats how the loyalties go.

 

[Pennywise]

Sounds to me like he's saying exactly what Microsoft are. I don't hear him saying that you don't ever have to connect your console to the internet ever.

I don't expect many to point that out, though. But here's the most important point: I don't care if either console requires an internet connection. Ever since I went broadband, it was always my intention to be capable of being online 24/7 if necessary, and between my previous provider (Optimum Online) and my current (Verizon Fios), both have allowed me to do so successfully.

If people can't accommodate a product that possibly needs to be connected to the internet, then don't buy one.

We have a winner.

 

[Dragon]

Again, how do you know that that's exactly what they mean?

As I've said before "Enjoyed old school" could mean enjoyed with an internet connection -- you know, the way the devices from the past were enjoyed.

I'm pretty sure that I could "enjoy" using a PS4 if watching blu-rays didn't require an internet connection.

Because someone else, namely Yoshida, stated it as such in February! Amazing...

But again (as I said before) the same thing could have been said about the Xbox One.

"Once every 24 hours" does not equal "always".

Yoshida said, which has been posted in this very thread, that you don't need one at all. Period.

 

[Afrikan]

ms invented that parole officer 24 check-in bs, i doubt sony would steal such a horrible idea, wont rule it out, but seems like a stretch

HA! it is kind of like that.

as far as the other side.
Sony has a 8765hr check-in system for their PlayStation Plus Free games.

 

[Amir0x]

But again (as I said before) the same thing could have been said about the Xbox One.

"Every 24 hours" does not equal "always".

Many of the quotes say you don't require an internet connection whatsoever, period. You're really stretching here Bgamer90. I'm not saying Sony isn't lying, but your 'experience' in the field of PR bullshit is clearly making you more cynical than this situation requires. Sony, if they are telling the truth, is being absolutely clear: PS4 can function completely, 100% offline.

 

[Stone Ocean]

Fuck man, is the ps4 even real? All I've heard are some vague statements from Sony.

What if the PS3 never actually existed and we were playing rebranded PS2s all this time11!!1one11!1!

 

[xxracerxx]

Some of you can't read.

I can bead just fine!

 

[Zombie James]

What we really need to know is if no online is required to activate each new game copy.

No. Connection. Required.

 

[IHaveCandy]

I hope neither company has an online requirement. My feeling is, both systems will allow you to play games offline with no Internet at all as long as you have the disc in the disc drive. There's no reason not to allow that.

The reason MS can't do this with the Xbox One is as follows:

Billy buys Fallout 4. He installs it to his system and can now play it without the disc and has his system connected online all of the time. He gives his game to his friend Bobby, who is also signed onto his account with his own Xbox One. Bobby only connects his Xbox One to get the game intially working. Once he does that, Bobby plays the game on his Xbox One offline. Billy and Bobby have managed to allow two people to be able to play 1 game.

 

[Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties]

It tells you nothing. Why would Sony need to say anything before E3? If they tip their hand now, then the issue loses impact when E3 comes around. If they wait, then at E3, when all the press gaming and mainstream are at their most attentive, they can make their position known and force Microsoft to answer the tough questions during their our pressers/interview sessions in response.

They'd get all the press if they said it today. Waiting until E3 means whatever message they have will get mixed in with whatever Nintendo, Apple(GDC), and Microsoft are saying.

Because your smart and want to win E3. You want to have the last strongest impression coming form E3. This after the Xbox One showing would do it.

Nobody wins E3. Sony would much rather win the hearts and minds of third parties. I believe they're not talking about their plans yet because they're not completely solidified.

 

[fallingdove]

But again (as I said before) the same thing could have been said about the Xbox One.

"Once every 24 hours" does not equal "always".

Once every 24 hours means online required. Sony has said multiple times that online is not required. There is absolutely no ambiguity here.

 

[IHaveCandy]

But again (as I said before) the same thing could have been said about the Xbox One.

"Once every 24 hours" does not equal "always".

Sony has explicitly said they are looking at a lot of places that don't have internet at all. If you don't have internet at all, you can't ever use the Xbox One.

 

[Baki]

What Microsoft said pre-XBONE reveal:

"Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

What Cerny said:



I don't know but the Microsoft's statement doesn't exactly read out like "Yeah your console is basically an ugly brick if you don't have access to the internet for 24h". Just like I wouldn't say Cerny's statement proves one thing or another. There are more than few simililarities with these statements.

That was some "insider" email bullshit(which was probably fabricated). This is a public statement from Sony.
Next time, check what you are linking lol

 

[rudieboy77]

It doesn't have to always be connected, just sometimes connected.

 

[Ryuuga]

Some skepticism is fine but when does it end and turn into the Obama Birthers in absurdity? So you'll be skeptics until what... A week or month after launch?

Longer. Until the first misstep from the competition that draws attention away from the negativity surrounding a platform of choice. Also, I think we just about confirmed a 4K re-release of Old School in this thread.

 

[Copenap]

And that is what you are looking for, no?

I mean seriously, like 10 posts above your first appearance here Amirox posted something that would clear a lot up for you.

And you could have pointed me into that direction after I've asked or just ignored me.

 

[Krisprolls]

This thread is hilarious.

E3 is going to be fun.

Yeah the amount of spin is already incredible. 10 days.

 

[kingocfs]

If they have figured out a way to accept inevitable third-party requests for DRM without having to lean on an internet connection, I'll be impressed, but it seems like more trouble than it's worth on their end. Plus, as others have said, they obviously strongly prefer you connect that shit anyway, as he says in the very same sentence.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

Amir0x laying down the law in here.

 

[Pennywise]

They'd get all the press if they said it today. Waiting until E3 means whatever message they have will get mixed in with whatever Nintendo, Apple(GDC), and Microsoft are saying.

Or they could wait until they reveal the rest of the console.
They could also spill the beans on how the PSN will work, but that doesn't mean they're gonna do that.
That's what the E3 is for...

 

[IHaveCandy]

They'd get all the press if they said it today. Waiting until E3 means whatever message they have will get mixed in with whatever Nintendo, Apple(GDC), and Microsoft are saying.

Why do you think E3 exists at all?

 

[TacticalFox88]

Seriously?

This is the same forum that started an internet movement that over 150 media outlets reported on?

I can't even.

 

[Chamber]

Good fucking god, the cognitive dissonance is appalling. They couldn't be ANYMORE clearer that you can play the PS4 COMPLETELY offline with NO issues and yet you're still clinging to the dumbshit idea that they'll force you to use an internet connection?

Are some of you fucking stupid?

*nods*

 

[xxracerxx]

And you could have pointed me into that direction after I've asked or just ignored me.

I am not your internet tour guide, especially when you come into a thread asking if there is anything of worth in it after the OP.

 

[Bgamer90]

Because someone else, namely Yoshida, stated it as such in February! Amazing...

He stated back in February that he was directly referring to offline video gaming without any limits (e.g.: no required internet check ins every 24 hours, or ever week, or whatever)?

Did I miss the link to that in this thread? I'm being serious. If that's what he said then I will admit to being wrong about the statements they've said as a whole.

 

[Despera]

PS4 will incorporate a type of DRM which doesn't require a permanent connection.

More at E3.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

MS could have said the same. "Always on connection" =/= "every 24 hours".

Yes, but again what does he mean by "old school"? Couldn't old school simply mean "without internet"? The PS4 will do more than just play games.

I guess I'm going more into detail than most in this thread have since I'm familiar with how companies twist things for good PR by making vague statements (due to previous examples I know of, classes I took when I was in college, as well as just my overall interest in that area).

These statements are just pretty vague to me. Unlike fanboys (on either side) though, I'm not going to say that me feeling that way 100% confirms that Sony will give in.

As I've said many times before I'm looking forward to hearing more details.

Did you read the quote when Sony said they never considered making a Internet connection required?

 

[i-Lo]

I can't see the ambiguity here regardless of what Sony's earliest intentions were behind closed doors during the planning stages. From the beginning they've have been clear about the "Online" portion (which preceded Adam Orth debacle if my memory serves me right).

I don't remember Bgamer90 coming to assess the situation when MS's were and have been vague about both their online and DRM (something even Sony has been less than crystal clear on) components.

Anyway, it's a shame that Bishoptl didn't feel like going through with his special project. That would have truly been revealing.

They haven't actually SHOWN the console so maybe you're right

#conspiracytheoryPS4isreal

#TeamVaporware reporting in, sir.

 

[Sweet Aunt Nancys Panties]

Why do you think E3 exists at all?

Games.

 

[H_Prestige]

What if the PS3 never actually existed and we were playing rebranded PS2s all this time11!!1one11!1!

Hmmm, I think there is a lot of room for interpretation here. I don't know why everyone is so quick to believe vague PR statements.

 

[velociraptor]

While I may have a 60mbit fibre internet connection, I still would be pissed off if the PS4 is online only. There are occasions that I go to my grandmother's house to stay and it isn't what I would call a rock solid connection, given how I can only use Wi-Fi to play games.

 

[Averon]

Man, threads like these make me appreciate Bish's little nugget the other day. No way can people be this obtuse unless it's their job to be.

 

[SolidSnakex]

What Microsoft said pre-XBONE reveal:

"Durango [the codename for the next Xbox] is designed to deliver the future of entertainment while engineered to be tolerant of today's Internet." It continues, "There are a number of scenarios that our users expect to work without an Internet connection, and those should 'just work' regardless of their current connection status. Those include, but are not limited to: playing a Blu-ray disc, watching live TV, and yes playing a single player game."

What Cerny said:



I don't know but the Microsoft's statement doesn't exactly read out like "Yeah your console is basically an ugly brick if you don't have access to the internet for 24h". Just like I wouldn't say Cerny's statement proves one thing or another. There are more than few simililarities with these statements.

Game Informer asked MS about someone buying the Xbox One without an internet connection and their response was "That probably wouldn't be a good idea".

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Thank god PS4 won't require me to be connected online to play games. If so, I'd bail out of next gen games and stick to 3DS for all I care.

 

[SniperHunter]

Amir0x laying down the law in here.

ya, that was a great post

I don't care either way, I think DRM is great. I want developers to stop dying and start making a profit on their games. More $$ to the devs the better! I am personally a big support of Xbox One DRM

 

[Sendou]

That was some "insider" email bullshit(which was probably fabricated). This is a public statement from Sony.
Next time, check what you are linking lol

Ever heard of a controlled leak? This was just when Microsoft had a few PR disaster regarding always online. Then this leak came. They were in a tight spot not unlike Sony is now (see Twitter spam campaign). I did know what I linked to, thanks.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Fuck man, is the ps4 even real? All I've heard are some vague statements from Sony.

I like this post.

 

[Copenap]

I am not your internet tour guide, especially when you come into a thread asking if there is anything of worth in it after the OP.

Wtf, than why are you lecturing me. Again, option B. Ignore my innitial post.

 

[GoofsterStud]

The reason MS can't do this with the Xbox One is as follows:

Billy buys Fallout 4. He installs it to his system and can now play it without the disc and has his system connected online all of the time. He gives his game to his friend Bobby, who is also signed onto his account with his own Xbox One. Bobby only connects his Xbox One to get the game intially working. Once he does that, Bobby plays the game on his Xbox One offline. Billy and Bobby have managed to allow two people to be able to play 1 game.

There is an easy fix for that. One time activation code. Only having to be on the install a game > 24 hour check, if you uninstall a game you do a new check to verify it and you can install it an another system, or disc based DRM that requires no internet connection. You can't install it after it's been used unless someone (gamestop) overides that portion of the disc.

 

[Ryuuga]

Mark Cerny: No, Connection Required.

Fixed that for you just in case you had the wrong idea.

 

[Skilletor]

If they have figured out a way to accept inevitable third-party requests for DRM without having to lean on an internet connection, I'll be impressed, but it seems like more trouble than it's worth on their end. Plus, as others have said, they obviously strongly prefer you connect that shit anyway, as he says in the very same sentence.

Maybe they said, "If you don't put your games on our console, you will sale far less copies than if you do, DRM or no."

And 3rd parties were like, "Well, fuck, we DO like money."

And then Sony nodded and said, "We know."

 

[hal9001]

Case closed. Topic out of nothing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-02-21-the-big-interview-sonys-shuhei-yoshida-on-ps4

Eurogamer: Does the console always need to be connected to the internet?

Shuhei Yoshida: You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected. The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita.

Eurogamer: Are all of those things optional? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?

Shuhei Yoshida: Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

So why do you think we had this lovely #PS4noDRM thing going on just last week?

RFID technology

 

[DC1]

XBONE doesnt either just every 24 hrs, stop being secretive and just spill it Sony

What?

 

[GenericUser]

sony, honestly, just shut the fuck up and please take my hard earned money. take as much as you want, but gimme that ps4.

 

[Nafai1123]

Stage 1: Denial

 

[H_Prestige]

Game Informer asked MS about someone buying the Xbox One without an internet connection and their response was "That probably wouldn't be a good idea".

At least they're upfront about it. Unlike Sony, those vague bastards.

 

[Dragon]

He stated back in February that he was directly referring to offline video gaming without any limits (e.g.: no required internet check ins every 24 hours, or ever week, or whatever)?

Did I miss the link to that in this thread? I'm being serious. If that's what he said then I will admit to being wrong about the statements they've said as a whole.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=60458521&postcount=255

You responded to this post. In this post Yoshida makes it clear what he's talking about when he's talking about internet in other countries.

 

[graywolf323]

I believe Yoshida essentially said the same thing a few months ago if I'm not mistaken.

he did but it doesn't keep people from trying to claim Sony is going to anyways