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[90TilInfinity]

Don't want to get involved in this, lol. Just want to mention that crazy buttocks and Jason from Kotaku pretty much confirmed in Amir0x's thread that MS's online function was more draconian (giving credence to the 3-minute rumour) before the Adam Orth fallout.

I don't know what Sony is doing, but it's presumptuous to suggest they're doing the exact same thing. Especially now that we know 2 of the big 4 publishers aren't in on their plans.

That's not to say Sony aren't doing their own used game thing, but it's just something to think about.

*runs*

 

[Bgamer90]

NO INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED AT ALL clearly implies that you... uh... never have to take your PS4 online to play games (especially the bolded, underlined part). There's no room for "maybe you have to have Internet for just one second" interpretation.

You have to connect every 24 hours on xbone so MS can verify your permissions.

You don't have to connect at all on ps4. Emphasis on at all.

No where in the "at all statement" did he say games (at least from what I'm seeing; if I'm mistaken though then do tell me).

I don't need an internet connection at all to watch blu-ray movies on the Xbox One. Therefore the system "doesn't require it".

I'm not twisting things or grasping at straws... I'm just playing defense in the "PR game" via not taking this statements at face value at this time.

 

[AgentP]

As I've said before "Enjoyed old school" could mean enjoyed with an internet connection -- you know, the way the devices from the past were enjoyed.

So much cognitive dissonance you must live with. If reality doesn't match your bias, bend reality! No wonder you and Reiko got along so well.

 

[jaypah]

That little bomb bishoptl dropped yesterday is making more and more sense.

What was this about? I must have missed it.

 

[lostones]

same thing microsoft said, the experience is better when connected. doesn't require but you need a connection

 

[DangerousDave]

No where in the "at all statement" did he say games (at least from what I'm seeing; if I'm mistaken though then do tell me).

I don't need an internet connection at all to watch blu-ray movies on the Xbox One. Therefore the system "doesn't require it".

I'm not twisting things or grasping at straws... .

Not at all.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

What was this about? I must have missed it.

He's done some investigative research on "vocal" posters and has some interesting findings.

 

[Soi-Fong]

So much cognitive dissonance you must live with. If reality doesn't match your bias, bend reality! No wonder you and Reiko got along so well.

Some people here are really trying to justify the Xbone... Sad really.. Some just want to get fucked in the ass because they're too blind by MS.

 

[Famassu]

No where in the "at all statement" did he say games (at least from what I'm seeing; if I'm mistaken though then do tell me).

I don't need an internet connection at all to watch blu-ray movies on the Xbox One. Therefore the system "doesn't require it".

I'm not twisting things or grasping at straws... I'm just playing defense in the "PR game" via not taking this statements at face value at this time.

That's where the old school stuff comes into play. He says we can enjoy PS4 like old school consoles. What do old school consoles do? PLAY GAMES and almost nothing else (maybe music CDs & DVDs if you consider PS2 as old school, but you'd have to be stupid to believe that that's what they are referring to).

There's "not taking statements at face value" and then there's just being dumb.

 

[Sendou]

Or you compare pr statements to or statements. Also there is no ambiguity is Sonys statement. Don't shout fire where there is no smoke.

Shoot me if I'm wrong here but isn't everything you see in interviews or publicly otherwise "PR"? Public relations, right? So most you see as consumer is PR indeed.

 

[jaypah]

He's done some investigative research on "vocal" posters and has some interesting findings.

Like viral marketing?

 

[nib95]

No where in the "at all statement" did he say games (at least from what I'm seeing; if I'm mistaken though then do tell me).

I don't need an internet connection at all to watch blu-ray movies on the Xbox One. Therefore the system "doesn't require it".

I'm not twisting things or grasping at straws... I'm just playing defense in the "PR game" via not taking this statements at face value at this time.

The jaded shades are on in full swing at the moment.

PlayStation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all.

You really think his titbit about old school refers to browsing the internet or watching blu-ray movies? Yea, because that's so old school! Lol. Clearly he is referring to gaming.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Christ on a bicycle. I leave the thread for an hour and the same people are spreading the same FUD? I really don't know how Sony could've been any more clear than they have.

They could very, very well be lying, as Amir0x said, but the semantics some people are committed to would make Kefka seem perfectly lucid.

 

[ReturnOfTheRAT]

Like viral marketing?

Could be that and more.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Okay, fuck it, now you're not being a contrarien, you're just being flat out retarded.

 

[Bgamer90]

Where? Especially after Xbone's reveal, they have not done any such thing.

If someone were to take Don's statement at 1:15 in this video at face value the many would see it pretty much as him saying that things would be the exact same way as they are now with the Xbox 360.:

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/1x6o6u/gt-tv-behind-the-scenes-of-xbox-one

 

[Confidence Man]

I'll feel better when there's an official faq or something that states it in no uncertain terms.

Part of me thinks they're being intentionally vague leading up to E3 so Microsoft will be less likely to drop the XB1's online requirement in response, if that's even a possibility at this point.

 

[jaypah]

Could be that and more.

That sounds super interesting. I hope something comes of it.

 

[Krilekk]

Nothing suggests that either.

Not a connected system IN THAT SENSE pretty much does. It's very strange wording, why not just say it's not a connected system period? Something is fishy here.

 

[Soi-Fong]

Like viral marketing?

More like junior members with corporate emails that end witb Microsoft or Sony, with I'd say the majority being Microsoft considering the amount of saving face right now and defending draconian policies.

 

[H_Prestige]

No where in the "at all statement" did he say games (at least from what I'm seeing; if I'm mistaken though then do tell me).

I don't need an internet connection at all to watch blu-ray movies on the Xbox One. Therefore the system "doesn't require it".

I'm not twisting things or grasping at straws... I'm just playing defense in the "PR game" via not taking this statements at face value at this time.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but he also did not deny that he is the Gingerbread Man in that quote. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

Come on man, put things into context. He isn't talking about blurays or just staring at the home screen.

 

[jaypah]

More like junior members with corporate emails that end witb Microsoft or Sony, with I'd say the majority being Microsoft considering the amount of saving face right now and defending draconian policies.

Oh. Ohhhhh, fuck that sounds amazing, lol!

 

[Bgamer90]

So much cognitive dissonance you must live with. If reality doesn't match your bias, bend reality!

Since as well all know, all PR statements have been 100% true!!!!

 

[ThisWreckage]

Lots of contrarians and reachers in this thread hoping and praying that there was a translation error or that Cerny was being cagey so their console of choice doesn't look as shitty compared to Sony's decisions regarding the PS4.

 

[madmaxx350]

I wasn't expecting a thread this entertaining 10 days from E3...

 

[nib95]

If someone were to take Don's statement at 1:15 in this video at face value the many would see it pretty much as him saying that things would be the exact same way as they are now with the Xbox 360.:

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/1x6o6u/gt-tv-behind-the-scenes-of-xbox-one

All he said is that it's not always online. Not that you don't need at internet connection for it to function or play games. We knew this already. Presently we know that the XO does not need to be online all the time, but it does need to go online at least once every 24 hours (or something similar). The details of which have not been finalised.

 

[Zemm]

Oh my days at this bgamer90 guy, can't be for real surely?

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but he also did not deny that he is the Gingerbread Man in that quote. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

Come on man, put things into context. He isn't talking about blurays or just staring at the home screen.

Mark Cerny is a werewolf. Confirmed.

 

[Soi-Fong]

How low can some of these Microsoft apologists go... Jesus.. Common sense has given way to desperate reasoning... Holy fuck..

 

[xxracerxx]

If someone were to take Don's statement at 1:15 in this video at face value the many would see it pretty much as him saying that things would be the exact same way as they are now with the Xbox 360.:

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/1x6o6u/gt-tv-behind-the-scenes-of-xbox-one

See you keep bringing this up, but it isn't like the rest of MS PR/corporate are singing the same tune. You know who is all saying the same thing in various forms? SONY.

 

[Spinluck]

Never thought I'd see the day that some GAF no longer had reading comprehension.

1. PS4 confirmed to not be always online

2. He never suggest that you need to check in by signing in online at least once in a 24hr period.

3. This wasn't about used games, so I don't know where people are getting that from.

 

[Bgamer90]

Lots of contrarians and reachers in this thread hoping and praying that there was a translation error or that Cerny was being cagey so their console of choice doesn't look as shitty compared to Sony's decisions regarding the PS4.

Heh, you keep on saying this.

FYI, I have "no console of choice". I will more than likely be getting both consoles but E3 will decide which one I'll get first more than likely.

But keep on pushing that story -- as if it doesn't say what team you yourself are rooting for.

 

[cluderi]

Mark Cerny is a werewolf. Confirmed.

Mark Cerny Wolfman Basketball 2014, I'd play it.

 

[Daingurse]

E3 is going to claim so many people.

Blood for the Blood God! The mods will feast.

 

[nib95]

Heh, you keep on saying this.

FYI, I have "no console of choice". I will more than likely be getting both consoles but E3 will decided which one I'll get first more than likely.

Dude, no disrespect, but your console of choice is clearly the 360/Xbox One. Most people on this forum could have surmised as much long before this thread or countless non-related threads before it. And that's fine, people have preferences etc. Just don't let your preference turn to outright irrationality and an abandonment of logic as you have let it here today.

 

[Busaiku]

I'll remain skeptical until we get complete and absolute confirmation (I'll be waiting till after launch).

 

[Bgamer90]

See you keep bringing this up, but it isn't like the rest of MS PR/corporate are singing the same tune. You know who is all saying the same thing in various forms? SONY.

But I would feel the same way about it if what Don said in that GT video was exactly what the rest of the MS PR/corporate team said.

 

[ThisWreckage]

Heh, you keep on saying this.

FYI, I have "no console of choice". I will more than likely be getting both consoles but E3 will decide which one I'll get first more than likely.

But keep on pushing that story -- as if it doesn't say what team you yourself are rooting for.

No one targeted you yet you responded to my claim anyway. Telling.

This thread is a classic example of wishful thinking for a lot of people and a total lack of reading comprehension. A lot of people seem to be thinking that if they will something to be true then it will suddenly be true.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Mark Cerny Wolfman Basketball 2014, I'd play it.

Of course, Cerny never said he wasn't a vampire either. Which means he's a vampire and a werewolf at the same time.

TIME PARADOX.

 

[Kyon]

Clear as fucking day but still, xbox fans

Seriously. The REACHING they're doing is hysterical

 

[Famassu]

If someone were to take Don's statement at 1:15 in this video at face value the many would see it pretty much as him saying that things would be the exact same way as they are now with the Xbox 360.:

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/1x6o6u/gt-tv-behind-the-scenes-of-xbox-one

Again, you are getting pathetically hung on ONE statement. Yeah, if you want to play devil's advocate, maybe the quote from Cerny in this thread could be said to be the same as Don's statement in that interview, but AGAIN (this is the umpteenth time I'm saying this yet you keep ignoring it) multiple different Sony PR & exec people have come out to say that there's no Internet connection required at all to play games. They haven't just said "no always online", they've CLEARLY said, without any room for misinterpretation, that "no internet at all." It doesn't get clearer than that. We aren't taking just these singular statements from Sony vs. MS people into consideration, we are taking them all. And all of those point to the fact that you can go to the middle of Siperia where there's no Internet connection and still be able to play PS4 (if you find electricity...)

You can not take anything at face value if you like, but at some it just makes you look incredibly thick in the skull. I'd be skeptical if Sony had always just said "you don't have to be online always", but they've already said that you can NEVER be online and still enjoy offline gaming.

 

[Syphon Filter]

hmm that is suspect. xbone is not always on either,its 24 hours. maybe they have something similar.

 

[Mokubba]

This thread is funny and we still have 10 days before the real day. It's going to be a bloodbath if the servers are up.

 

[xxracerxx]

hmm that is suspect. xbone is not always on either,its 24 hours. maybe they have something similar.

I can't tell if you are being funny or serious.

This thread is funny and we still have 10 days before the real day. It's going to be a bloodbath if the servers are up.

No way in hell unless someone sells their soul.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

hmm that is suspect. xbone is not always on either,its 24 hours. maybe they have something similar.

They literally said you can play PS4 with no Internet connection at all. At all.

 

[AuthenticM]

Nice, but the gif doesn't loop.

 

[Bgamer90]

Dude, no disrespect, but your console of choice is clearly the 360/Xbox One.

So you're me? You know what my preferences are in terms of a console that I want that still isn't on store shelves yet?

It's true the the 360 was my "console of choice" this previous gen; the PS2 was that for the gen before.

With that, I'm perfectly fine in changing sides for my "console of choice" which is why I still don't have one for next gen yet. I am choosing to wait on more info.

Just don't let your preference turn to outright irrationality and an abandonment of logic as you have let it here today.

I'm not abandoning logic.

I just realize how big companies are when it comes to PR statements (especially before the release of one of their major products) and choose to wait for more info.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

I just realize how big companies are when it comes to PR statements (especially before the release of one of their major products) and choose to wait for more info.

The company line out of Sony has been unbelievably consistent. Maybe - just maybe - there's a reason for that?

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

I don't remember Nintendo going on about how old school N64 is Quite the opposite if I remember right

Again, how do you know that that's exactly what they mean?

As I've said before "Enjoyed old school" could mean enjoyed with an internet connection -- you know, the way the devices from the past were enjoyed.

I'm pretty sure that I could "enjoy" using a PS4 if watching blu-rays didn't require an internet connection.

Sounds to me like he's saying exactly what Microsoft are. I don't hear him saying that you don't ever have to connect your console to the internet ever.

I don't expect many to point that out, though. But here's the most important point: I don't care if either console requires an internet connection. Ever since I went broadband, it was always my intention to be capable of being online 24/7 if necessary, and between my previous provider (Optimum Online) and my current (Verizon Fios), both have allowed me to do so successfully.

If people can't accommodate a product that possibly needs to be connected to the internet, then don't buy one. Still getting both a PS4 and Xbox One, and even a Wii-U eventually.

But again (as I said before) the same thing could have been said about the Xbox One.

"Once every 24 hours" does not equal "always".

He stated back in February that he was directly referring to offline video gaming without any limits (e.g.: no required internet check ins every 24 hours, or ever week, or whatever)?

Did I miss the link to that in this thread? I'm being serious. If that's what he said then I will admit to being wrong about the statements they've said as a whole.

Ever heard of a controlled leak? This was just when Microsoft had a few PR disaster regarding always online. Then this leak came. They were in a tight spot not unlike Sony is now (see Twitter spam campaign). I did know what I linked to, thanks.

Yes but does that mean "enjoy single player content within a certain period of time"? I could still enjoy single player content on the Xbox One offline.



No grasping at all. I'm just looking at the statements in all angles.

Find it funny how no one responded to the example I gave about Don's statement in that interview with Geoff.

No where in the "at all statement" did he say games (at least from what I'm seeing; if I'm mistaken though then do tell me).

I don't need an internet connection at all to watch blu-ray movies on the Xbox One. Therefore the system "doesn't require it".

I'm not twisting things or grasping at straws... I'm just playing defense in the "PR game" via not taking this statements at face value at this time.

same thing microsoft said, the experience is better when connected. doesn't require but you need a connection

If someone were to take Don's statement at 1:15 in this video at face value the many would see it pretty much as him saying that things would be the exact same way as they are now with the Xbox 360.:

http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/1x6o6u/gt-tv-behind-the-scenes-of-xbox-one

Since as well all know, all PR statements have been 100% true!!!!

Sony's big money going forward is going to be emerging markets. They know that, and always online would make the PS4 useless to those very lucrative markets.



When he says robust internet connection, he's talking about reliability, not bandwidth. Sony is hitting emerging markets hard going into this next gen.

THIS TIMES A BILLION. people fail to understand that unlike Microsoft, Sony is actually relevant outside the US/UK(which is the only two countries I see an always online console taking of).

 

[Bgamer90]

No one targeted you yet you responded to my claim anyway. Telling.

Please... it's obvious who you are referring to as you made similar statements to me before in other threads.

That is on top of the fact that I have the most posts in this thread in terms of people who share my opinion.

It's obvious -- no need to sugar coat it.

This thread is a classic example of wishful thinking for a lot of people and a total lack of reading comprehension. A lot of people seem to be thinking that if they will something to be true then it will suddenly be true.

Not wishing for it to be true at all. All I'm saying is that I'm not taking this as a confirmation at this time and that's it.

I've seen many times before that I'm looking forward to more information.