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Martyn Ware, a member of 80's synthpop band Heaven 17, was offered by Rockstar $7,500 to license the song Temptation in perpetuity [He lied, $22,500]
- Thread starter ManaByte
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I would’ve taken the $7,500 if I were him. He reacted like they offered him $100. What percentage of that 8.6 billion does he feel entitled to?
And the good news here is they are signing contracts to get songs in perpetuity and won’t have to retroactively fuck their game up like they had to do with San Andreas.
And the good news here is they are signing contracts to get songs in perpetuity and won’t have to retroactively fuck their game up like they had to do with San Andreas.
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NickFire
Member
Holy shit - you just reminded me of a song I liked as a kid to add to some playlists. Thanks.
Also, I agree with you. I would think make a counter offer, take what you can get, and then enjoy the streaming royalties when people start adding to playlists. But to each their own.
Banger though
Its right in line with R*'s stellar soundtrack pedigree. I kinda miss the days when they would ship a game yearly, because their music department has always been on another level.
Edit: 'In perpetuity is kinda weird, as R* licensed plenty of track with a expiration date. GTA IV rereleased with lots of tracks cut. Hell, Vice City Stories can't even be re-released (on mobile for instance) because of Phil Collins being in the game and not agreeing with updated license.
Its right in line with R*'s stellar soundtrack pedigree. I kinda miss the days when they would ship a game yearly, because their music department has always been on another level.
Edit: 'In perpetuity is kinda weird, as R* licensed plenty of track with a expiration date. GTA IV rereleased with lots of tracks cut. Hell, Vice City Stories can't even be re-released (on mobile for instance) because of Phil Collins being in the game and not agreeing with updated license.
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LectureMaster
Member
That profile picture
Maybe Rockstar just thinks he is dumb?
Maybe Rockstar just thinks he is dumb?
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The offer is way too low. His only point was that the game can afford a lot more than that. $7,500 is nothing for a lifetime licence. If it was some small game trying to use his song he would be a little more sympathetic.
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Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Shoulda taken the offer.
Its not like usage in GTA is going to have a negative impact on streaming royalties, or anything really outside of the game.
Basically its free money for an old track to be used as audio wallpaper. If you have an issue with that on artistic grounds sure, that's your right as the originatior.
However. Making it about relative income generated when the inclusion is entirely inconsequential to the sales value of the the product, you just come across as being an ignorant twat.
Its not like usage in GTA is going to have a negative impact on streaming royalties, or anything really outside of the game.
Basically its free money for an old track to be used as audio wallpaper. If you have an issue with that on artistic grounds sure, that's your right as the originatior.
However. Making it about relative income generated when the inclusion is entirely inconsequential to the sales value of the the product, you just come across as being an ignorant twat.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Something I created decades ago, not for this game, is worth me getting 10% of all profits!!! Guy sounds like an entitled douche and you can tell he’s an idiot by his avatar.
I'm not saying it's a fair offer but imagine how many playlists are going to be created with the songs from the game. The steaming numbers for those songs are going to go up exponentially. Not that musicians make tons of money from streaming either but still.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
How dare they? They should have offered him 2 billion for his masterpiece!!!/s
Cyberpunkd
Member
I’m pretty sure that’s illegal.
XXL
Member
Alot of artist would pay Rockstar $7500 to have their songs featured in GTA VI.
fart town usa
Member
The best part of GTA radio was Lazlow. Shame that dude is gone. I bet he's retired and sipping drinks while watching the world burn.
RIP Big Wayne!
RIP Big Wayne!
RoboFu
One of the green rats
because it would blown up the song and he wouldnt get anything for it and it cost him much more to record it. It was a insult of an offer.
vaibhavpisal
Member
He should compare to how much they are paying other musicians.
Not how much total the game made.
Not how much total the game made.
LazyParrot
Member
How is that weird? You're literally explaining why they're no longer doing that.
And now he's getting 0%, whilst Rockstar might just get some cover band for the song.
Happens quite often from songs of that decade, Technotronic replaced the singer with a model for the music video (Pump Up the Jam) and then you have C&C Music Factory and Milli Vanilli.
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RagnarokIV
Battlebus imprisoning me \m/ >.< \m/
What an idiot. Just take the fucken chump change and enjoy what comes after it, you’ll be smashing all sorts of playlists which does lead to royalties. Some of the UK bands forgotten after the 80s have been given new life through GTA. I know The Outfield being one, I spoke to Tony about it years ago. It sparked so much interest for him.
Also currently GTA 6 hasn’t grossed anything, it isn’t out yet.
Also currently GTA 6 hasn’t grossed anything, it isn’t out yet.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Eh, Rockstar have all the power in this instance. If he agreed to a 10 year license - guarantee when it was up he would be asking for a million plus to relicense the song after it had been attached to an iconic scene in the game.
Werewolf Jones
Member
Dude just threw away millions of plays on all streaming platforms for the next decade because some kid with a Bussin cut heard this song on GTA VI online as he obnoxiously rocket launchers people spawning into the session.
Revolutionary
Gold Member
IIRC he's doing some podcast thing with Dan Houser
Wildebeest
Member
If people want to pay Rockstar to get their shitty music with no cultural cachet in the game, then why not. Just don't complain when you get music by some blue haired nepotism child of a banker with no obvious talent.
Streaming pays literally pennies.
Streaming pays literally pennies.
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diffusionx
Gold Member
I would be curious what he thinks an acceptable price would be. I’ve never heard of the song. Did he give a counteroffer? How much of the revenue does he think he is entitled to as one song out of like 300? I bet $7500 is more than he has made in the past decade of streaming the song.
diffusionx
Gold Member
It’s not about what they can afford, it’s about what this one song is worth.
rockstar doesn’t owe him anything. In this case he’s getting exactly $0 from them.
Null Persp
Member
great song that reminds me of cs:source because It was used as a intro on a private server.
Btw he should agree, the exposure would be enormous, this is a stupid decision.
Btw he should agree, the exposure would be enormous, this is a stupid decision.
diffusionx
Gold Member
There are songs I still play which I first heard in GTA. Like, GTA4 all those years ago. When the trailer dropped that Tom Petty song, not his most famous by a mile, instantly went to the top of every platform. Yea I think he fucked up.
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Futaleufu
Member
Also the ending music of FEAR 2
fart town usa
Member
Appreciate that. I'll have to look into it. The Lazlow Show that he did randomly on XM radio was so effing funny. Have the episodes somewhere on a burned CD that he used to sell on his website.
TheloniusFabdul
Member
I'd let them use my music for free.
MarkMe2525
Banned
How can you justify putting "it would have blown up the song" right next to "he wouldn't get anything for it"?
Gambit2483
Member
Johnny Concrete
Member
It would’ve probably gave him millions of listens on Spotify. That would be worth something, right?
ThatPolishGuy
Member
And they probably offered someone else the same money and he took it, you would be surprised how often I double check if band is from 80s and it's a fairly modern released song just stylesed with synths and whatnot randomly popping up on Tidal through radio feature.
Yerd
Member
You could try a counter offer instead of telling a company to fuck off, that has potential to make you money.
If I was rockstar I would see that tweet and forget this guy and his band existed. You just lost ANY amount of that 8.6 billion.
Never heard that song or of the band before. It sounds like most of the 80's songs. I think they could put anything in it's place. $7500 is probably the correct value of that song's sound that is not that unique.
If I was rockstar I would see that tweet and forget this guy and his band existed. You just lost ANY amount of that 8.6 billion.
Never heard that song or of the band before. It sounds like most of the 80's songs. I think they could put anything in it's place. $7500 is probably the correct value of that song's sound that is not that unique.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
If they paid for 300 total songs that would be a soundtrack budget of 2.25 million.
Seems low to me. If the game has a 500 million budget thats a small amount set aside for music.
Up that to .5 percent of total budget. That would be over 80,000 per song for 300 songs.
Seems low to me. If the game has a 500 million budget thats a small amount set aside for music.
Up that to .5 percent of total budget. That would be over 80,000 per song for 300 songs.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
hes super old. this deal gives all rights away. ONLY ROCKSTAR WILL BENEFIT FROM THE SONG BLOWING UP. he wouldn't see a dime. He isn't making any new "hits" either. its insulting that they are trying to scam him.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
200 million pennies is 2 million dollars.
This is for a Heaven 17 track from the 80s and possibly for just one of the three members.
This is the basement price for a track - it's gonna sky rocket as you get to bigger artists.
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simpatico
Member
Were you homeschooled in Antarctica?
Yerd
Member
I It doesn't give all rights away. It gives them the song for GTA6 forever, so they don't have to do what Alan Wake just had to do with their David Bowie song. They lost rights and now they have to remove the song from the game. The deal was 7500 instead of what he probably wants, is a percentage of their profits forever. 1 game sale is whatever percentage. They want to just buy it out. I'm sure they would agree to more money, but a good "fuck off" is probably a deal breaker. It would be for me.
If people like the song they still go out and pay for it and he get's whatever deal he has on his own sales.
Wildebeest
Member
You think being on the GTA6 soundtrack is a guarantee of several billions of plays on streaming platforms?