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Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)
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Hot Coldman
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you know there's no reason a black/Hispanic/Asian/whatever actor couldn't just play Peter Parker for a threeboot
also, please kill me for coining that term
also, please kill me for coining that term
Uh.. yeah there is.
Not to sound racist, but you dont racially recast a character just for the sake of doing so.
Why not a Chinese Superman?
Mexican Captain America?
Italian Red Skull? Oh... thats been done...
Grassclipper
Member
For some characters race matters, like captain america, Luke Cage, black panther and Iron Fist. For Spider-Man it does not.
Col WillieSharp
Member
Wait, why does race matter for Cap again?
Because Americans of Hispanic or Black ancestry are not true Americans, duh.
The Anti-Monitor
Banned
I'd say it's pretty unlikely for America circa WWII to choose a Hispanic or Black man as the face of their propaganda.
Hot Coldman
Banned
You're assuming they'd go out of their way to cast a non-white actor. That ain't what I said. I said they merely could cast non-white.
The idea that casting non-white always has to mean something is real fucking stupid, and needs to go away now. You pick the right guy for the job.
Nerds who spend far too much time on the Internet start thinking the masses are as knowledgeable as they in nerdy stuff, like comic books. A Miles Spidey could work on the big screen, but he'd need his own origin movie first. Just having a Miles-Spidey show up in the Avengers? : lol
Duane Cunningham
Member
Well actually... There was that Superman of Japanese descent in the 90's (whose birth name is Dean Tanaka).
Captain America The First Avenger featured a racially integrated US military.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Yeah, Cap is definitely bound to being a white American, for obvious reasons. Likewise, there's loads of heroes that have definitive racial roots- Magneto being Jewish is something you can't really change, for instance. Unless you made him Armenian or something.
But Parker's an NYC kid. That could be anyone.
But Parker's an NYC kid. That could be anyone.
Duane Cunningham
Member
I think in the comics they actually said that Magneto was Roma Gypsy (who were also persecuted).
PhoncipleBone
Banned
Right, but would the government at that time use a non white to go out and promote war bonds? Not likely.
I disagree that the race and look of characters doesn't matter and that it doesn't matter if we engage in racebending if the character is white. Sony struggle to get Parker right as it is.
Dr. Banner says hello
People care about Hulk more than they do Banner, it's easier to get away with recasting that. Especially since Norton didn't exactly own the role either (at least not in the way Downey does).
Hot Coldman
Banned
I would watch a movie where Bruce Banner is Iron Man SO FUCKING HARD
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Deleted member 13876
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No, you pick the right guy for the CHARACTER.
You don't go changing major aspects of the character just for the sake of doing so.
ESPECIALLY ones deeply integrated into pop culture. Those characters have a defined physical appearance, and have for many decades.
Who said anything about audiences being knowledgeable? People are just saying stuff they would personally like to see. Like people have been doing since this thread started.
I don't even know how we got back on this Miles thing. Spider-Man will never be in these films period, so all the arguing about which version it should be is dumb.
Manmademan
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you can say this, but then again people loved black nick fury SO much that O.G. nick fury has basically been written out of continuity.
PhoncipleBone
Banned
OG Nick Fury was still around when Ultimate Nick Fury came on the scene.
You do realize that the Ultimate universe Fury greatly predates the movies, correct?
The movies are greatly influenced by the Ultimate universe.
And in turn, the movie audiences help influence what direction the comics go...
Yeah but look at Nick Fury jr in 616 now
Nick Fury senior still exists but it is hilarious to see how Battle Scars introduced this long lost son. And Nick Fury doesn't compare to Peter Parker/ Spidey
Messypandas
Member
Ultimate Fury was influenced by Samuel L, movies influenced by Ultimates. Real chicken and egg situation
Manmademan
Member
Ultimate nick fury and O.G. nick fury existed at the same time.
When it came time to do the movies, marvel decided ultimate was simply better, despite O.G. nick fury being around "for decades" and being better known.
black nick fury in avengers took off SO WELL that "nick fury jr." was introduced to mainline 616, and O.G. is basically gone and retired.
now, I'm not saying that nick fury is on the recognition level of spider man or captain america, but clearly that case shows that it CAN and HAS been done, and done in a way that the audience loved it.
Manmademan
Member
I just realized the Falcon is about to become the most famous black superhero.
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I'm so sad right now, y'all.
at least until heroes for hire comes out. SWEET CHRISTMAS
I just realized the Falcon is about to become the most famous black superhero.
...
I'm so sad right now, y'all.
Blade says hello.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I just realized the Falcon is about to become the most famous black superhero.
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I'm so sad right now, y'all.
It'll still be Green Lantern to me, damn it.
Blade's barely relevant anymore. Falcon about to swoop in on Captain America's coattails and steal all his shine. Though I suppose there's still Storm...
Black America deserves better than this. Static or Monica Rambeau need to find their way into movies.
But Jon Stewart is just...just..*yawn*...just so...
Nick Fury was the ultimate one because Marvel had the opportunity to cast Sam Jackson. The Nick Fury thing is going to be harder to replicate with a higher q score character.
I just realized the Falcon is about to become the most famous black superhero.
...
I'm so sad right now, y'all.
Marvel needs to come out with a Black Panther film for Phase 3.
Messypandas
Member
We need a British Blade. Elba, you're up.
Other than the A-listers, I don't think anyone other than a handful of comic geeks would care if they change the background of a comic character. Like, would it really matter if they made Wonder Man Black in a future Avengers movie?
Manmademan
Member
To be fair, Wesley Snipes was locked up.
not at all. there's a very short list of characters that can't be messed with for any reason on the A list, and beyond that it shouldn't make a difference. Make cloak and dagger about a white guy and a black woman and literally no one will know.