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Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)
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I'm just saying it! Whether it's a good thing or not depends entirely on the context.
Spiderman, the Avengers stripped Hulk of founder status and gave it to Cap. Hulk has spent more issues fighting an Avengers team then being a member.
Hulk has clocked more time on the defenders due to the curse that compels him, Silver Surfer, Namor, and Strange to save the world.
I'm really down on the whole Iron Patriot thing. Seems like this movie will be cramming way too much into one, especially by merging unrelated comic story arches and characters.
I'm sure it'll end up being fine, but am I the only one who's but hurt about an Iron Patriot without the whole Norman Osborn side of it? Just makes it feel so wrong. I don't know. :\
I'm sure it'll end up being fine, but am I the only one who's but hurt about an Iron Patriot without the whole Norman Osborn side of it? Just makes it feel so wrong. I don't know. :\
Backwards Marathon
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Are there any intentions of an Iron Man 4 or is it supposed to end as a trilogy? Not counting Iron Man in the Avengers of course.
There is no trilogy. All Marvel properties are ongoing.
shira
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Didn't feige also say rdj is replaceable. Shudder
They're going to have to replace him at some point. He's going to be 50 by the time avengers 2 starts shooting and he's looking a little rough around the edges. I wish Downey could pull off the role forever but at some point you have to replace him with someone else.
I'm hoping will smith can take over the iron man role maybe Chris tucker can come out of retirement for the part
.Good Job Bob
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They're going to have to replace him at some point. He's going to be 50 by the time avengers 2 starts shooting and he's looking a little rough around the edges. I wish Downey could pull off the role forever but at some point you have to replace him with someone else.
I'm hoping will smith can take over the iron man role maybe Chris tucker can come out of retirement for the part
shira
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Paltrow needs it more.
The Broken Ska Record
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If Iron Patriot is in it, I hope they show a glimpse of Hulkbuster armor.
Smells like a trainwreck in the making, same as Spider-Man 3.
Good Job Bob
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Why would he make that when he has a man crush on Banner?
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The Anti-Monitor
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Perhaps Banner specifically asks him to build it. In case he loses control again.
The big Hulkbuster armor is a classic, if not that, something similar will show up. No doubts after seeing the Iron Patriot armor.
The Broken Ska Record
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To show he's prepared, just in case.
BattleMonkey
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They're going to have to replace him at some point. He's going to be 50 by the time avengers 2 starts shooting and he's looking a little rough around the edges. I wish Downey could pull off the role forever but at some point you have to replace him with someone else.
I'm hoping will smith can take over the iron man role maybe Chris tucker can come out of retirement for the part
They're going to have to replace him eventually if his salary keeps inflating.
Coppertracks
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Avengers 2? RDJ needs to be there for Avengers 3! Which would hit in... 2018-20? I'm sure he'll be more than capable by then.
Johnny Depp is nearing 50 and is still happy to play Cpt. Sparrow for another 2 movies. I imagine that's a much more physically intensive role.
Johnny Depp is nearing 50 and is still happy to play Cpt. Sparrow for another 2 movies. I imagine that's a much more physically intensive role.
I don't think it will be that big of an issue if he keeps getting points on the dollar, he got a healthy 50+ Million on the avengers alone .
People who think Spider-Man 3's issue was that it had too many villains are completely missing the point on what went wrong.
SM3's problem wasn't that it had multiple villains, but that it had multiple villains where each had his own separate storyline; then the writers had to contrive a way to have all of these separate plots smashed together for the end. Nolan's Batman movies have multiple villains too, but it works there because the villains' stories all dovetail in and out of each other; Ra's and Scarecrow's stories are tied together, Joker and Dent's stories are tied together, etc.
Iron Man 3 has a lot of villains in it, but it's not like they're all main characters. Sounds like Guy Pearce is the primary antagonist, Mandarin is more in the background, with Iron Patriot and the others being just grunts.
SM3's problem wasn't that it had multiple villains, but that it had multiple villains where each had his own separate storyline; then the writers had to contrive a way to have all of these separate plots smashed together for the end. Nolan's Batman movies have multiple villains too, but it works there because the villains' stories all dovetail in and out of each other; Ra's and Scarecrow's stories are tied together, Joker and Dent's stories are tied together, etc.
Iron Man 3 has a lot of villains in it, but it's not like they're all main characters. Sounds like Guy Pearce is the primary antagonist, Mandarin is more in the background, with Iron Patriot and the others being just grunts.
I don't think Disney is gonna let RDJ walk so easily. They know he's the bread and butter of these Marvel movies. They are gonna be prepared to pay up.
On a separate note, I hope they get Dr. Strange in production fairly soon. I'd like to see the
MCU expand outside of The Avengers.
On a separate note, I hope they get Dr. Strange in production fairly soon. I'd like to see the
MCU expand outside of The Avengers.
Escape Goat
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RDJr could be totally Christopher Leeing his movies because Iron Man is in a suit and usually CG. So the physicality can be done without actually having RDJr doing it.
shira
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I would need to see iron man uppercut patriot so hard the suit undoes itself and then cap jumps into the space and it reforms around him
WordAssassin
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The erection caused by such a thing would be legendary
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We'll take the Spruce Moose!
Backwards Marathon
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After RDJ took that role I can't see anyone else in it, anyone know how long his contract is for?
smokeymicpot
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They will just put another actor in it's place not even reboot it.
Thank god.
Kind of sick of origin stories, though Iron Man's in the first movie was well done and did not have the whole kid doing flips and running around rooftops and taming bullies that all of the others always have.
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They can't really do this with the interconnected universe they've built, nor should they. With Spider-Man it works because it's a separate entity and even then lots of people don't like them rebooting the franchise but it'll probably still do well.
I forgot about this (despite posting in a thread about said shared universe). I wonder if this create problems though. Marvel and DC routinely reboot and relaunch their comic series to invite more fans who may be wary of engaging in a series that's mired in tons of continuity. It will be interesting to see if this applies to the movies as well.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
It worked with Hulk. I know it is not considered the same but it still counts. Only way to reboot Iron Man is to reboot the rest of them. Will be odd seeing a new rebooted Tony Stark in Avengers 3 though.
shira
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It's fine unless they have a baby or something. Different dad or mom might seem odd if the other parent remains
Manmademan
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not true. DC has rebooted their line several times- once VERY recently- but Marvel never has.
All of the Avengers/Xmen/Fantastic Four/Hulk etc comics for instance are canon going back to the 1960s. Even with Spider-man and "brand new day" specific events were written out of continuity, but spidey's origin and comics all the way up to his marriage in the 80s are still the same.
There ARE alternate lines (like the ultimate universe, or 2099 back in the day) but those are separate and distinct from the "main" marvel universe and not reboots.
EliteArtist
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What exactly is retconning then? It's essentially a mini reboot to get things right. The most recent example being Spidey's Brand New Day.
It didn't change Spidey's origin.
Manmademan
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no, Spidey's "brand new day" was one character altering a specific event in the current timeline, changing the future. it DIDN'T change any of the events in comics prior to that (the wedding) and didn't alter any of the significant events spiderman was involved in during that time (like say..maximum carnage). All of those events still happened. it's the same character.
These sort of things tend to happen when writers make a mess- they'll invent an alternate explanation for an event that's inconvenient to explain. Annoying, but fairly common. The "Thanos Clone" explanation for Thanos or "That was a doombot" for doom to explain embarrassing losses or inconsistent behavior is another example. Those are "retcons."
A Total Reboot in contrast re-writes the history of the ENTIRE line from scratch, starting over from square 1. All previous events are null and void, characters can have alternate origins or never exist at all- its essentially writing the whole slate clean and stating that every in-universe event prior to the reboot no longer counts. DC did this back in the 80s after the "crisis" (writing out entire alternate worlds from being valid) and again recently with New 52. The current superman running around is NOT the same guy who has been having adventures since the Crisis, and the superman running around prior to the 70s/80s was ALSO a totally different character from that one as well.
DC has done this a few times (which is part of the reason there are multiple flashes, green lanterns, and supermen) but Marvel has never done a complete line wide reboot in this way. Certain events may have alternate explanations, but nearly every event that's happened going back to Fantastic Four #1 still took place.
XiaNaphryz
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I'm only a casual comic fan, so I'll trust your knowledge on this. My greater point was pondering how continuity will be handled moving forward and whether it will ever pose a problem.
XiaNaphryz
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maquiladora
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Phase One...
Will hold out for the ultimate edition in 2020.
Will hold out for the ultimate edition in 2020.
Good Job Bob
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Marvel always owned the rights to those films.