Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)

I'm not sure X-Men can be easily integrated to the current avenger universe even if Marvel get the movie rights back from fox. does mutant even exists in Avenger movie universe right now? it's be weird if there's suddenly mutants and x-men in that world when they're no where to be seen during world crisis like Alien invasion in Avengers movie.
 
I don't think we should assume Thanos is the villain in Avengers 2. The tease at the end of A1 may have just been for GotG, not A2. Either way, I don't think Thanos needs to be the villain in A2. He can just be in GotG and/or A3. I think Ultron can also work well as a villain in either A2, A3, or a GotG 2.

Devil Trigger: Pretty dick move (no pun intended) to basically spoil the end of the story by posting that panel.
 
Callibretto said:
I'm not sure X-Men can be easily integrated to the current avenger universe even if Marvel get the movie rights back from fox. does mutant even exists in Avenger movie universe right now? it's be weird if there's suddenly mutants and x-men in that world when they're no where to be seen during world crisis like Alien invasion in Avengers movie.
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I think that in the case that they regained the rights to those properties, there'd only be two ways to deal with it.

A) Create a separate canon for the X-Men. Which would suck, because the crossover stuff is super neat, but it's not like the comics don't have a whole mess of canons. Could even establish that it's a separate dimension and have them cross over like how Earth 616 crosses over with Age of Apocalypse characters. The movies right now are pretty Ultimates-inspired, maybe it's established as the Ultimates universe and the X-Men could be 616. Probably too complicated for the moviegoing public, though.

B) Change the origins for everything. Make "mutants" something that are freshly arisen, after the events of the Avengers. Maybe even BECAUSE of the events of the Avengers. Same sorta deal with the Fantastic Four, they're supposed to be the progenitors for all superheros basically, but in the movie universe, they'd have to come after the fact. It could be sorta interesting to see a take on the FF where they're the newcomers into the superhero fold, not the oldschools. X-Men would definitely be harder, since it'd basically be impossible to give anyone an actual "history," but it'd be easy to kick off the fear/hate by the public, if they're established as freshly arisen.
 
You could work X-Men back in easily. In the Marvel Cinematic universe, The Avengers are the first superheroes. As with most superhero films really, but it feels more monumental here as if a 'super group' has never been done before. Have mutants be a great big governmental cover-up, plenty of setup with SHIELD squatting on many a secret, and basically this spark off friction from within mutants to 'out' themselves. Professor X would want to show his adopted youngsters can be heroes just as much as Iron Man or Captain America, while Magneto would be seething with bitterness and resentment that powers are now seen to be glorified by the public at large rather than something to be hidden away and their possessors as freaks.

Fans would have to accept however some massive liberties being taken with the modern day time jump simply not allowing for Erik to be a world war 2 survivor, and take their pick from more modern day ethnic cleansing disasters for his origins. As great a job as McKellen did, an elderly Magneto just doesn't have that imposing punch that a buff and furious looking 30-50 age bracketed villain can flare onto the screen, and any youth serum routes are already a bit eye-rolling as a basis.

Better yet, if they did get the X-Men license back (they wont, so I dont even know why I'm torturing myself here) they could setup the whole MUTANTS ARE SECRET thing with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in an Avengers movie. Have something go horribly wrong with them or rather all the other non-mutant heroes get press coverage for saving the world again while they did lots of the real dangerous shit but have to stay in the shadows, and now Magneto's pissed and ready to out mutants altogether.

When the funds have accrued high enough Feige, call me.
 
I don't like this idea of putting certain franchises into the MCU. I wish the X-men rights reverted to Marvel but any movie with the mutant verse should stand on its own
 
Callibretto said:
I'm not sure X-Men can be easily integrated to the current avenger universe even if Marvel get the movie rights back from fox. does mutant even exists in Avenger movie universe right now? it's be weird if there's suddenly mutants and x-men in that world when they're no where to be seen during world crisis like Alien invasion in Avengers movie.
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I am sure it would be fine. Everyone knows who the X-men are. It could simply be something not mentioned in the first movie because that wasn't the focus of the first movie. Perhaps they could tell the story of how the X-men ended up on Utopia, an island that is off the coast of California I believe, to show that there is a gap between the Avengers and the X-men and they aren't exactly neighbors or anything.
 
I would love to see Marvel get the X-men rights back because I think they would make a better movie, even though I really liked 1st Class, but I would hope they would keep it totally separate from the Avengers stuff they are doing.
 
Nesotenso said:
I don't like this idea of putting certain franchises into the MCU. I wish the X-men rights reverted to Marvel but any movie with the mutant verse should stand on its own
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I feel the same way. In fact, there are a lot of heroes I'd rather see do their own thing than be shoved into the Avengers. X-Men, Daredevil, Punisher, Heroes for Hire, etc.
 
Pie and Beans said:
Fans would have to accept however some massive liberties being taken with the modern day time jump simply not allowing for Erik to be a world war 2 survivor, and take their pick from more modern day ethnic cleansing disasters for his origins. As great a job as McKellen did, an elderly Magneto just doesn't have that imposing punch that a buff and furious looking 30-50 age bracketed villain can flare onto the screen, and any youth serum routes are already a bit eye-rolling as a basis.
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That's too bad, as Magneto and Wolverine could fit nicely in a Captain America WWII setting.
In fact, I thought Sebastian Shaw's alias Klaus Schmidt in X-Men First Class was a nod to Captain America: The First Avenger which came out around the same time.
 
ReiGun said:
I feel the same way. In fact, there are a lot of heroes I'd rather see do their own thing than be shoved into the Avengers. X-Men, Daredevil, Punisher, Heroes for Hire, etc.
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They can exist in the same universe and not be relevant to the Avengers, you know? They could just shoot references to each other or perhaps have a cameo every once in a while.
 
Feature said:
I don't get how somebody would even attack one of the guys from the Avengers. Will need a good writer to get around all these superheroes being available to help the main character in each movie.
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Well it works in the comics. Iron Man is gonna be doing his business in China most likely. And it's not like they can just airdrop Cap in instantly when things look bad for Tony.

Cap will have his own business to attend to in New York, probably doing spec ops missions; Thor will be back in Asgard for the foreseeable future; Widow and Hawkeye are established to be busy a lot of the time; and Hulk is laying low right now.

Other heroes have their own things going on, and there's no need to call them all together for every little threat when just Iron Man can handle it. They're not gonna need everyone else unless there's something world-endingly bad going on, and I'm guessing Mandarin will be more out to just kill Stark than take over the earth or something. Plus he's got War Machine to back him up.
 
Kizer said:
They can exist in the same universe and not be relevant to the Avengers, you know? They could just shoot references to each other or perhaps have a cameo every once in a while.
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I'm fully aware of that, but I still would prefer it if some heroes didn't exist in that universe.
 
richiek said:
That's too bad, as Magneto and Wolverine could fit nicely in a Captain America WWII setting.
In fact, I thought Sebastian Shaw's alias Klaus Schmidt was a nod to Captain America: The First Avenger which came out around the same time.
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You can do Wolverine, thats in his character to be an ageless bastard. But Magneto just doesnt work that way, and you dont want too many ageless characters anyway. I'm sure theres like a million pseudo-science bollocks you could trot out as to why Magneto isn't in a wheelchair like he uses magnetism to slow the iron in his blood degrading or whatever the fuck, but really if (NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN :[ ) they got these franchises back, they'd want ways to deftly and obviously separate them from Fox's shenanigans and a, say, Bosnian or Serbian Magneto would be a way to show that.

And no, I love how interconnected all of Marvel is. Its what makes it so special in my eyes so it cuts me up to see them trapped outside these franchises with the best way to present them but not allowed to touch. X-Men, FF, Spider-Man, they all still have their own massive spheres of influence, but as 90's-tastic as it was, everyone coming together to fight Onslaught was a really epic and cool thing at the time, just as it is in certain fun events (read: not Civil War, Secret Invasion, AvsX, Fear Itself, etc, more Spider-Island, Infinity Gauntlet)
 
Good Job Bob said:
They've said no rebooting.
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Can always get away with some creative rebooting like the clusterfuck of Heroes Reborn: Its not a reboot, Franklin Richards just recreated them in a pocket universe as an alternative to Onslaught killing fucking everyone. Pop em back out, slightly changed actors and appearances, voila. THERE ARE ALWAYS OPTIONS.
 
MechDX said:
Thats not the GotG I know!

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THIS IS! My age is showing.....
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The old GotG are not in the main MU tho. =P

You really should read the new ones, though! Star-Lord and some others actually travel through some dimensional rift and end up in the reality where the old GotG are.
 
RealDeadOne said:
That was my thought too but Fiege said that Civil War would be a good choice for Avengers 3, and this is after Avengers had been out for a bit. So since then I've just been assuming that Avengers 2 will be Thanos and then 3 will be Secret Invasion, Civil War or some sort of inter-hero drama.
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Civil War done right could be awesome. I'm currently reading the comic series but it's so hard to like Iron Man, knowing the outcome as well makes me dislike him even more. I would expect better execution if it was done on the big screen.
 
Backwards Marathon said:
Civil War done right could be awesome. I'm currently reading the comic series but it's so hard to like Iron Man, knowing the outcome as well makes me dislike him even more. I would expect better execution if it was done on the big screen.
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I don't think they have enough characters to pull off a large scale event like Civil War.

numble said:
They wouldn't even reboot after over a decade when the stars are all old, and the 3 trilogies + 3 avengers have all come out?
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They could just pull a James Bond and hire different actors.
 
numble said:
They wouldn't even reboot after over a decade when the stars are all old, and the 3 trilogies + 3 avengers have all come out?
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Kevin Feige:

"I think Bond is a good example. Let’s put it this way: I hope Downey makes a lot of movies for us as Stark. If and when he doesn’t, and I’m still here making these movies, we don’t take him to Afghanistan and have him wounded again. I think we James Bond it."
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I think the hope is that by the time RDJ has to retire they've built up their other franchises to the point where they don't need Iron Man anymore and something else makes enough bank to cover it.

Then they can give Tony Stark a heroic and final death scene instead of beating a dead horse. I'd like it if the movies take this chance to not be like the comics where the same characters fight the same villains and barely grow for decades and decades and decades.
 
Kizer said:
What comics are you reading, again?
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I'm exaggerating but it's true that characters like Spider-man have essentially been the same since the 70's. Spidey even had his marriage reset because it wasn't enough like how he used to be. He still fights Mysterio, Electro, Sandman and the Rhino, he still has trouble juggling his personal life and crime fighter life. Outside of some exceptions like Daredevil and current Journey Into Mystery(and I'd like to give props to Invincible Iron Man for developing Tony Stark quite a bit since it started, even taking him away from the Iron Man identity several times) comics are slaves to the status quo. Even when characters do get big changes they're reset by the next writer, and even when they die they come back to life.

Obviously that's an issue you have to come to terms with and get over if you like comics because otherwise there would be no comics at all, but I think with the MCU they have the chance to make things more "concise", maybe is the word? For example, Breaking Bad, one of my favorite shows of all time is coming to an end next year and I think it's going to be better off for finishing it up while it was still great and giving the characters lots of closure. I'd like it if instead of seeing Iron Man recast probably not as well and stretching it out for another trilogy we just saw Tony Stark end as a character somehow so that we all remember him as something very good that can't be replaced easily.

It "cheapens" the character to me when he can be replaced by another actor so easily. And yes I feel this way about Bond too, since less than half of the versions of his character have been any good and one of the best only came about when they basically reset the character and made him more edgy in Casino Royale.
 
RealDeadOne said:
That was my thought too but Fiege said that Civil War would be a good choice for Avengers 3, and this is after Avengers had been out for a bit. So since then I've just been assuming that Avengers 2 will be Thanos and then 3 will be Secret Invasion, Civil War or some sort of inter-hero drama.
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He didn't say they'd do Civil War for Avengers 3, just that if they were to do Civil War, it would have to be for Avengers 3 because it would take that long to build up enough characters for that story.
 
in comixology, guardians of the galaxy is on sale for $1 each. there's only 18 vol in there, is that all there is for the main gotg story? and does it end properly or does it left hanging and I have to scoured many different title to have some end note?
 
Callibretto said:
in comixology, guardians of the galaxy is on sale for $1 each. there's only 18 vol in there, is that all there is for the main gotg story? and does it end properly or does it left hanging and I have to scoured many different title to have some end note?
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I think there's 25 issues in total and the story is included in the Thanos Imperative miniseries.
 
Callibretto said:
in comixology, guardians of the galaxy is on sale for $1 each. there's only 18 vol in there, is that all there is for the main gotg story? and does it end properly or does it left hanging and I have to scoured many different title to have some end note?
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There are 25 volumes of GotG. The story ends with The Thanos Imperative, which is 8 issues. Technically it starts with Annihilation: Conquest Star-Lord 1 - 3 and Annihilation: Conquest 1 - 4 as well. If all you care about is Guardians you basically want to read:

Annihilation: Conquest Star-Lord
Annihilation: Conquest
Guardians of the Galaxy
The Thanos Imperative

I recommend reading all of the cosmic saga though, you can find the order in the image I linked earlier.
 
RealDeadOne said:
I'm exaggerating but it's true that characters like Spider-man have essentially been the same since the 70's. Spidey even had his marriage reset because it wasn't enough like how he used to be. He still fights Mysterio, Electro, Sandman and the Rhino, he still has trouble juggling his personal life and crime fighter life. Outside of some exceptions like Daredevil and current Journey Into Mystery(and I'd like to give props to Invincible Iron Man for developing Tony Stark quite a bit since it started, even taking him away from the Iron Man identity several times) comics are slaves to the status quo. Even when characters do get big changes they're reset by the next writer, and even when they die they come back to life.

Obviously that's an issue you have to come to terms with and get over if you like comics because otherwise there would be no comics at all, but I think with the MCU they have the chance to make things more "concise", maybe is the word? For example, Breaking Bad, one of my favorite shows of all time is coming to an end next year and I think it's going to be better off for finishing it up while it was still great and giving the characters lots of closure. I'd like it if instead of seeing Iron Man recast probably not as well and stretching it out for another trilogy we just saw Tony Stark end as a character somehow so that we all remember him as something very good that can't be replaced easily.

It "cheapens" the character to me when he can be replaced by another actor so easily. And yes I feel this way about Bond too, since less than half of the versions of his character have been any good and one of the best only came about when they basically reset the character and made him more edgy in Casino Royale.
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I would argue that spider-man has changed and has matured over the years. He has moved up from being a reporter and now works at Horizon labs. Aunt May isn't really in the picture anymore since moving to Boston and while she still is mentioned or showed from time to time, Peter doesn't really have her near him anymore so perhaps for the first time he is really on his own. They seem to be doing something to him emotionally now after
the supposed death of silver sable during ends of the earth
. They are giving him some kind of side kick situation to deal with and while that may seem cop-outy, I like the idea of the "original teen super hero" as it seems to be (to my knowledge) now having to look at the situation from the other side of the fence. Some things can not chance, that is true. However, it is probably because it doesn't make sense for them to change. Spider-man is always going to struggle when trying to live this double life. That is part of keeping a secret identity. If you are reading daredevil right now than you understand just how hard it is to keep that secret when the world finally knows.

Yes, he does fight Rhino and the like from time to time but that is because the villains are more than just an obstacle for him deal with every other week (at least the good ones are). They are their own characters with their own stories and they have fans that want to continue to see them. The reason why people like Osborne as much as they do is because he isn't just a mustache twirler. You could write a book on that guy's psyche alone.

On another note, they just announced Rocket Raccoon will be playable in that new Marvel Heroes MMO. They are really pushing this character hard to get the public to know and accept him, I guess.
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He best bring Groot, too.
 
The Anti-Monitor said:
I must be the only one who dislikes Rocket Raccoon. He suffers way too much from the infamous "trying too hard" comic book writing.
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I just read gotg vol 1-6 and I love him, I like the book so far, I think Mantis and Warlock is the one's trying too hard, esplaining all the timey wimey space jargon stuff that make it harder to read.
 
RealDeadOne said:
It "cheapens" the character to me when he can be replaced by another actor so easily. And yes I feel this way about Bond too, since less than half of the versions of his character have been any good and one of the best only came about when they basically reset the character and made him more edgy in Casino Royale.
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You gotta admit though that Toby Macguire was miscast as Peter Parker. Andrew Garfield may not look as nerdy as Macguire, but at least he is much better fitting for Parker.

With that said, if there's a different production behind it, it obviously will feature different actors. As soon as I heard Raimi was going to drop as director, I was sure they were not going to continue with a Spider-Man 4.

Kizer said:
On another note, they just announced Rocket Raccoon will be playable in that new Marvel Heroes MMO. They are really pushing this character hard to get the public to know and accept him, I guess.
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Awesome.

The Anti-Monitor said:
I must be the only one who dislikes Rocket Raccoon. He suffers way too much from the infamous "trying too hard" comic book writing.
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I respect your opinion on most matters, but here I gotta disagree. I think his parts are pretty well-written. I do agree with Callibretto that Mantis is trying too hard, and I also think Bug's "womanizing" is trying too hard as well (although I still love the guy).
 
The Anti-Monitor said:
I must be the only one who dislikes Rocket Raccoon. He suffers way too much from the infamous "trying too hard" comic book writing.
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He walks a fine line, but there's a reason the character has built up a cult following in recent years. I find him likeable and appropriately cheeky whilst still being able to turn on business mode when necessary.

He'd suck if he was constant comic relief, but they've ensured thus far that he ain't.
 
Red Arremer said:
You mean like Deadpool?

...I actually would agree with the sentiment that Deadpool kinda sucks.
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Wade has his own comedy books so he's less comic relief, more comedian.Not a fan of his appearances as a supporting character, agreed there.

Bob: you're already thinking about it too much
 
The Anti-Monitor said:
I must be the only one who dislikes Rocket Raccoon. He suffers way too much from the infamous "trying too hard" comic book writing.
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I don't dislike RR (haven't read any of the comics with him in them), but I just think that he's going to be incredibly difficult to pull off on screen, and not seem like a complete joke. Talking animals interacting with real humans is rarely, if ever, done right on film.


Red Arremer said:
You gotta admit though that Toby Macguire was miscast as Peter Parker. Andrew Garfield may not look as nerdy as Macguire, but at least he is much better fitting for Parker..
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eh, at the time, I thought Tobey was a fine Peter Parker. I need to rewatch the old trilogy to see how his Spidey holds up. But sure, Garfield did a good job in ASM.
 
Good Job Bob said:
So, there just happens to be a planet out there with organisms 100% identical to the raccoons we have here on Earth?
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Well, err, he stands upright, has opposable thumbs, and can speak, so I wouldn't say he's a 100% identical organism to Earth raccoons... :p

The Anti-Monitor said:
I must be the only one who dislikes Rocket Raccoon. He suffers way too much from the infamous "trying too hard" comic book writing.
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I haven't read every single thing he's been in, but i'm sort of indifferent to the character. I don't love him like some, but I don't hate him either.
 
LosDaddie said:
I don't dislike RR (haven't read any of the comics with him in them), but I just think that he's going to be incredibly difficult to pull off on screen, and not seem like a complete joke. Talking animals interacting with real humans is rarely, if ever, done right on film.
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Play it straight like everything else and don't spend time apologizing for it, and it will be fine.
 
You know, it's too bad that Captain America 2 will apparently be the Winter Soldier plot, cause I heard rumors they were thinking of using MODOK. Having MODOK on the big screen would be amazing.
 
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