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Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT2| Discussion on released and future projects (spoilers)
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Origin: Drew
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3/4 come at me bro
I rewatched this one recently, since I had seen it only once a long time ago, and left wondering... why doesn't the military/SHIELD have more Super Soldiers? I mean,
they clearly have the capability given that the first double shot they gave Blonsky made him an unkillable Captain America.
Why? Coulson would make an excellent Ms Marvel.
eastx
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Because Blonsky became violent and uncontrollable even though he was previously reliable and loyal before the treatment. Also, I don't think anyone but General Ross approved the treatment. When Abomination ran rampant, it would seem evident enough that Ross's idea to use the serum in that way was a bad one.
But that's the thing, he became violent and unreliable after the SECOND dose (he outright says that the's feeling "like a monster"), and then he mixes it with Banner's blood or whatever which turns him into Abomination.
The first dose only makes him incredibly fit, acrobatic and able to heal (and real fast) from a Hulk kick.
ratcliffja
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DonasaurusRex
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worked on cap because he had the right formula and the machine that completed the process.
Rastafarian42
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Yeah about A-bomb you think they'll ever use him in a future movie ?
Pai Pai Master
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They are probably saving him for a potential Masters of Evil plot.
yankeehater
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I hope they do it soon. I really want to see a team of superpowered villains, like the U-Foes or the Wrecking Crew so bad.
badcrumble
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Blonsky didn't get the Vita-Ray part of the Cap treatment, so he ended up going crazy and power-mad more or less like the Red Skull did.
Pai Pai Master
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Yep. Vita means life...and not turning into a giant rage monster.
Father_Brain
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If she turns out to be a canon Marvel character, it should be Cybermancer or someone else that no one cares about.
I blame this more on the writing than Bennet's performance, personally. But she'd have to become a pretty drastically different character before I'd want to see her as any character above the C-tier, and I don't really see that happening.
yankeehater
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I cant see Skye having an costumed character part. She is so bad on AoS, they should be looking to replace her not give her a bigger part.
I'll be buying this, for sure
Callibretto
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Thanos left nebula like that and she's still loyal to thanos?
TDLink
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The Guardians of the Galaxy tie in comic potentially reveals Thanos' involvement in the film:
Is this the one that Abnett and Lanning are doing?
EDIT: I was right!
badcrumble
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Not only that, but Gamora's (likely) *not* loyal to Thanos by the time the film starts.
The Guardians of the Galaxy tie in comic potentially reveals Thanos' involvement in the film:
Karen Gillan's breasts are nowhere near this large.
Funky Papa
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Let's not talk about Zoe's...
Father_Brain
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I figure Thanos will at least have a speaking part, with casting announced closer to the film's release. But if he actually appeared on screen for any significant length of time, the casting would probably have been announced last year.
Unless James Earl Jones is doing the voice for someone else's motion capture and they're just waiting to surprise us all at Comic-Con.
FUBAR McDangles
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Anybody here have a clean shot of BDT as the Collector? I tried to look around on Bing/Google and most are blurry and out of focus.
Since Thor2 is out now I figured there might be a better one but it doesnt seem like it.
Since Thor2 is out now I figured there might be a better one but it doesnt seem like it.
I will buy this.The Guardians of the Galaxy tie in comic potentially reveals Thanos' involvement in the film:
TDLink
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They've said his role is substantial. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he had a good 15+ minutes of screen time. They are definitely just intentionally shrouding his casting in secrecy.
Father_Brain
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I thought that was just referring to his being the man behind Ronan and Nebula, not necessarily having an active role in the plot. But I could be wrong.
Gunn mentioned that Gamora's arc is that she was part of a kill team with Ronan & Nebula but she's ditched them and is trying to sort out her life basically when she meets the other Guardians. He'll be a big part of the plot but Iv'e got my doubts to whether he's got a serious on-screen presence.
FUBAR McDangles
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So this was originally in response to stuff in the CA2 thread, but figured it was more suitable here (didn't want to throw that thread off track).
The more times I watch IM2, the more I like it. Can't say I wholly enjoyed it the first time, and it definitely has faults, but those seem less and less present each time I see it.
Oh, and viewtiful asked:
However, for Incredible Hulk, there's no way I could do it. I could tell you the premise of the movie (Banner is trying to find a way to cure or control his condition while General Ross is trying to hunt him down). But that's pretty much the premise of Hulk in almost any medium. As for plot? I've seen the movie at least four times, and I seriously couldn't even begin to identify a plot.
Everyone points to the presence of SHIELD as a reason for IM2's failings, but just don't see that. The insertion of SHIELD was fine, and really didn't take up too much of the movie. The problem with IM2 was that you had two villains, each with their own motivations to take on Tony, and you had Tony dealing with two personal crises. Four separate plot issues, with the most minor threads connecting them.
Vanko wanted revenge for how Pa Stark treated his father.
Hammer wanted to compete with Stark Enterprises, and build his own Iron Men.
Tony's arc reactor is poisoning him and he's dying.
Tony has to 'reconnect' with his father.
Seriously, the arc that needed to be ousted from the movie was the "tony's dying" thing. There simply was no reason for it to be there. The plot should have just focused on the "sins of the father are to be laid upon the children" thread, with Tony looking into his father, and discovering his involvement in SHIELD, and THAT triggering Nick Fury showing up with the box of Stark history.
The more times I watch IM2, the more I like it. Can't say I wholly enjoyed it the first time, and it definitely has faults, but those seem less and less present each time I see it.
Oh, and viewtiful asked:
This I can absolutely do, as convoluted as it is.
However, for Incredible Hulk, there's no way I could do it. I could tell you the premise of the movie (Banner is trying to find a way to cure or control his condition while General Ross is trying to hunt him down). But that's pretty much the premise of Hulk in almost any medium. As for plot? I've seen the movie at least four times, and I seriously couldn't even begin to identify a plot.
Everyone points to the presence of SHIELD as a reason for IM2's failings, but just don't see that. The insertion of SHIELD was fine, and really didn't take up too much of the movie. The problem with IM2 was that you had two villains, each with their own motivations to take on Tony, and you had Tony dealing with two personal crises. Four separate plot issues, with the most minor threads connecting them.
Vanko wanted revenge for how Pa Stark treated his father.
Hammer wanted to compete with Stark Enterprises, and build his own Iron Men.
Tony's arc reactor is poisoning him and he's dying.
Tony has to 'reconnect' with his father.
Seriously, the arc that needed to be ousted from the movie was the "tony's dying" thing. There simply was no reason for it to be there. The plot should have just focused on the "sins of the father are to be laid upon the children" thread, with Tony looking into his father, and discovering his involvement in SHIELD, and THAT triggering Nick Fury showing up with the box of Stark history.
badcrumble
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I also wouldn't be terribly surprised to see him played by just some dude/voice actor and played by someone different once he finally appears as a lead antagonist.
I've been noticing a very clear trend in the Phase 2 sequels. I wonder if this is just something to do with Age of Ultron, or if it's part of something larger they're setting up for Phase 3...
Iron Man 3 -
Thor 2 -
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Basically it seems that all the major support structures that the major Avengers have relied on in the past are being removed systematically. Definitely not just a coincidence.
Iron Man 3 -
At the end Tony destroys all his suits, removes his chest shrapnel, gets a fresh start.
Thor 2 -
Loki secretly replaces Odin after Thor thinks that he really died for good. Asgard is in greatest danger when everyone's guard is down.
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SHIELD is completely displaced after the revelations that Hydra was a sleeper unit within the organization all along. Captain America no longer has an international watchdog supporting him, Fury is off to Europe, Maria Hill joins Stark Industries, Agent 13 joins the CIA, Hydra continues operating in the shadows.
Basically it seems that all the major support structures that the major Avengers have relied on in the past are being removed systematically. Definitely not just a coincidence.
Personally, it just felt unfocused. It had too many threads going on and when they all reach the resolution it is not satisfying, because they didn't develop equally. I love Justin Hammer too, he steals every scene he is in, and that is what makes him feel weaker, because he is backdrop to the less interesting Vanko. Everything Vanko did was way too convenient for the sake of the plot that it becomes tedious instead of engaging. Everything he does feels forced.
His motivations are fine, I'm talking about how he is written to be able to do stuff just because he is able to do stuff. Many parts of the movie just make you go: "Oh, I guess he just knows how to X, oh well", where X is any of these unbelievable things: duplicate the Arc Reactor tech with just the blueprints in a Siberian shithole. Get a passport, and tickets to escape said Siberiean shithole while carrying a weapon with him and get to Monaco with 0 issues. Get easy access to the track where Tony conveniently decided to race last minute. Recover instantly from being smashed into a wall by a 2 ton car at least 3 times. Hack weapon developer's security systems in seconds. Kill trained and armed guards no problem. Develop and control an army of fully combat capable drones almost overnight AND control them all AND the War Machine suit from a console inside his own room, etc etc. Seriously, it's too much.
I know plenty of characters and villains have these convenient moments, and suspension of disbelief is a fine line to ride in superhero movies, but I never believed it with Vanko. And I know it is "established" he is a genius just like his dad was, but I'm saying his circumstances don't point to him being able to do all of what he does just like that.
I know those things won't bother everyone, and anyone can come up with similar lists for every other of these movies, but they just didn't work for me in this one. On top of that, we have Tony struggling with his own internal demons, he is dying (another thing Vanko seems to immediately know even though he probably didn't know he had the arc reactor in his chest in the first place, because it wasn't public knowledge at all) and people are trying to take his tech from him. His own struggle about reconnecting with his father. SHIELD infiltrating his life was OK I guess.
The way I would've done it is: after Hammer's initial ridicule in front of the press/senate, he then engages into some espionage to try and 1up him and finds out about Vanko. He goes looking for him, gives him some resources, and develops some technology with which he catches IM unaware, and beats him publicly, taking him down a few notches. This sends Tony into desperation mode, no "I'm dying plot". Maybe those circumstances allowed Hammer to make himself with the Iron Man tech, which is what he wanted and puts him on top, but Vanko wants revenge and turns against him and becomes uncontrollable taking Hammer's own tech (suits/drones). Meanwhile, SHIELD steps in with his father's knowledge. Tony finds new resolve in his father's work and words and decides to get out again with Rhodey's help and face Vanko with his improved suit.
I just think Vanko didn't work, and was written very badly and the rest was all over the place and Pepper was always shouting because drama! so it never connected with me, and all the tangents took away from the good performances and what should've been a more meaningful conflict.
Spoilered, just in case.
I got the same feeling about them tearing everything down, which leads me to believe they plan on pitching them against one another, or Ultron being so much more than they can handle until they get together and really, establish a proper team. But I also get the feeling that Thor 2's circumstances could have more to do with setting up his third chapter. Thor is on Earth, and maybe all this time he is just oblivious to what is going on there. His involvement with Ultron keeps him busy and distracted until he finally makes it back.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/nailbiter111/news/?a=97110
Huge improvement over the Avengers' costume. It looks like the Golden Age costume with some Iron Patriot armory vibe mix into it imo. I APPROVE!!
ViewtifulJC
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don't know bout them shoulder pads, but the "head" area looks a lot better than that K-Mart Kids Section thing he had in the Avengers
TheGreatDirector
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Pretty cool that I got a retweet
RobotNinjaHornets
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Pretty cool that I got a retweet
A) That's awesome
B) A bit sounds like way too long for me :c
TDLink
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Pretty cool that I got a retweet
It's either going to be Amazing Spider-man 2 or Days of Future Past. Only two summer releases where it makes sense to launch the trailer. My money is on Spider-Man since they probably want to get the non-teaser trailer out at the start of the summer so it can be attached to as many films as possible.
I don't know much about Dr. Strange but yes that's exactly the kind of mind fuck I want from the movie now.
Not really sure if this is the right thread for this talk (and I'm not brave enough to venture into the film's OT) but there's a major plot spoiler on the Captain America 2 page on Rotten Tomatoes. It's one of the one line review blurbs they have underneath the stats. Be warned!
Damn, I'm pissed at that.
Damn, I'm pissed at that.
And this is why I'm avoiding review sites until I see the movie unless they clearly say spoiler-free.
According to this it was 3 years from his transformation to when he beat Red Skull. I'd say he did about 6 months - 1 year of touring with the USO, so likely 2 years of real missions.
Doesn't really seem all that long. I just wish they could do another movie in that period that wouldn't be rushed story wise.
Watching Cap 1 again makes me realize that either the montage was needed, or we don't get the Howling Commandos. The action pieces in the movie are essentially:
-the chase after the transformation
-Cap's first rescue
-Train mission/loss of Bucky
-Final raid on Red Skull's base/in-plane battle
Squeezing in a fifth action set piece (or several as some people suggest) would really be a detriment to the movie. Of course, you can streamline the hunt for Red Skull, fold it into just the train mission, and remove the montage completely. This would also remove the Howling Commandos, as they would really no longer serve any purpose.
Personally, I'll keep the HC, and a short montage.
-the chase after the transformation
-Cap's first rescue
-Train mission/loss of Bucky
-Final raid on Red Skull's base/in-plane battle
Squeezing in a fifth action set piece (or several as some people suggest) would really be a detriment to the movie. Of course, you can streamline the hunt for Red Skull, fold it into just the train mission, and remove the montage completely. This would also remove the Howling Commandos, as they would really no longer serve any purpose.
Personally, I'll keep the HC, and a short montage.
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