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I still feel the last episode of season 2 is the weakest. A few of the performances were kind of bad and I don't know why DD stopped scolding Elektra for killing people. The fight on the roof wasn't that good either. I couldn't see much of what was going on. I am interested in seeing how Karen and Matt's relationship is now that he revealed his identity to her.
 
NipplesAndToes23 said:
I still feel the last episode of season 2 is the weakest. A few of the performances were kind of bad and I don't know why DD stopped scolding Elektra for killing people. The fight on the roof wasn't that good either. I couldn't see much of what was going on. I am interested in seeing how Karen and Matt's relationship is now that he revealed his identity to her.
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Season 2 of Daredevil got progressively unhinged as it continued to freefall in quality, culminating in an absolute disaster of a final episode. The AV Club review was spot on about it.
 
SpaceWolf said:
Season 2 of Daredevil got progressively unhinged as it continued to freefall in quality, culminating in an absolute disaster of a final episode. The AV Club review was spot on about it.
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The last one is my only complaint. In the Defenders thread I ranked season 1 over it, but after watching this again I definitely say this is the better season. My mind went out for a lunch a few times in season 1. It kept my attention throughout all of this one and there were really hype moments for me.
 
SpaceWolf said:
Season 2 of Daredevil got progressively unhinged as it continued to freefall in quality, culminating in an absolute disaster of a final episode. The AV Club review was spot on about it.
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That's a really good take on the role of The Punisher, especially in the latter half of DD S2 and I hope it changes with his solo series. I've never been a huge fan of Frank before the Netflix show because of his specific brand of vigilantism attracting a certain portion of the population. If it were anyone other than Steve Lightfoot handling it I would be a little worried. I hope he actually treats Frank like the monster he is.
 
Glass Rebel said:
That's a really good take on the role of The Punisher, especially in the latter half of DD S2 and I hope it changes with his solo series. I've never been a huge fan of Frank before the Netflix show because of his specific brand of vigilantism attracting a certain portion of the population. If it were anyone other than Steve Lightfoot handling it I would be a little worried. I hope he actually treats Frank like the monster he is.
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What kind of people read Punisher comics? I've met people who wore Punisher shirts, but when asked about the comics they seem to have no clue what I'm talking about.
 
NipplesAndToes23 said:
What kind of people read Punisher comics? I've met people who wore Punisher shirts, but when asked about the comics they seem to have no clue what I'm talking about.
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Nobody reads comics in general. But the people who cheer on characters like Dexter Morgan, Hannibal Lecter, Tony Soprano, Walter White, are the same kind of people who cheer on Punisher. They're looking at a psychopath and seeing a hero.
 
NipplesAndToes23 said:
What kind of people read Punisher comics? I've met people who wore Punisher shirts, but when asked about the comics they seem to have no clue what I'm talking about.
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I did. The Punisher runs that became famous were the ones that treated Frank like a killing machine and gave a bulk to the character development to Frank's foes. Ennis' run was like a hyper-black comedy at points, and it's over-the-top in terms of violence and malevolence of the bad guys. For fuck's sake, one villain digs up Frank's dead family to piss on them on camera and then sends that tape to all the news organizations. It's just really really evil folk that you want Frank to dismember and maim.

Other than that, the last run I read basically describes why Frank as a figure is adopted by police organizations. That's the run where Frank goes to L.A., makes friends with a police officer who shoots a fleeing criminal in the back, and, when confronted by her superiors about that, calls him a "thug." I swear to god, someone here pointed out a post which better points out the sins of that run, but this Reddit post kinda sums it up.
The way he wrote it, he took this practice of white conservatives who believe that the "war on crime" is actually a war and that maybe Frank has the right idea (seriously, there are a few SWAT teams who have the Punisher skull as part of their patch) and played it completely straight. Suddenly, we had cops and special force guys in the comic that we're supposed to sympathize with looking at the carnage Frank leaves behind and going "Yeah, maybe he's got a good point".
And then the Last Days arc goes full on batshit airport novel with its Burly Action Man Kills Brown Terrorists nonplot.
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It's the idea that all criminals are innately evil and deserve to die and want to kill and rape and murder your lineage. It's the idea that you, as a police officer, are the thin blue line separating the civilized society from the criminal animal. Frank, in those writers' hands, becomes a hero in that regard for doing what needs to be done, but Frank is not that.

Frank's a psychotic mass murderer who kills bad people because that's all he can do. He's not a hero but he's not a villain, because he tries to save. That's what Greg Rucka's run is all about, Frank realizing his path is not the right path for Rachel Cole-Alves to follow.

EDIT: Here's the article and here's the panel:
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The Kree said:
Nobody reads comics in general. But the people who cheer on characters like Dexter Morgan, Hannibal Lecter, Tony Soprano, Walter White, are the same kind of people who cheer on Punisher. They're looking at a psychopath and seeing a hero.
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But if nobody reads them, why do they keep selling them? I don't know any of those names except for Tony, but isn't he a mob boss?

Glass Rebel said:
Not necessarily read but the Punisher logo is pretty prominent in the military but has also been recently used by... not so conscientious state employees.

In general I just despise the glorification of someone who uses violence as a means to an end.
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I did not know about this.
 
First impressions of Marvel's Inhumans

Simply awful. I'm so disappointed since I generally love everything Marvel does. But this is absolutely terrible. The dialogue is atrocious. The fight sequences are shockingly choreographed. The sets (or more-so the obvious green-screen) aren't that crash hot either. It's only saving grace is Lockjaw who is adorable. As one of the few people that actually liked Iron Fist, I can easily say that this is Scott Buck's worst work yet.
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I have to laugh at Inhumans. Maybe in 10 years there will be a movie attempt. And possibly Iron Fist/Luke Cage/Daredevil/Jessica Jones in the far future...

Glass Rebel said:
That's a really good take on the role of The Punisher, especially in the latter half of DD S2 and I hope it changes with his solo series. I've never been a huge fan of Frank before the Netflix show because of his specific brand of vigilantism attracting a certain portion of the population. If it were anyone other than Steve Lightfoot handling it I would be a little worried. I hope he actually treats Frank like the monster he is.
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You should read Greg Rucka's Punisher comics run, it properly portrays Frank as the intelligent, driven yet unhinged psychotic person he is. There is an issue where he is hiding out and meets a kid who hangs out with him and has family in the army, so he gives him food. Eventually he finds his Punisher gear, realizes who is he is, and straight-up calls him out by saying "you're no soldier" before walking away in disgust.

It was much better than Nathan Edmondson's run, who glorified the killing more and had a social Punisher who encouraged cops to kill people, which was wrong. Of course, Edmondson is a right-winger so that was going to come through that volume of the series, it was pretty awful how played-straight it was.
 
Glass Rebel said:
That's a really good take on the role of The Punisher, especially in the latter half of DD S2 and I hope it changes with his solo series. I've never been a huge fan of Frank before the Netflix show because of his specific brand of vigilantism attracting a certain portion of the population. If it were anyone other than Steve Lightfoot handling it I would be a little worried. I hope he actually treats Frank like the monster he is.
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that. The way Frank's actor keeps saying that he knows that Frank has a lot of fans in the Police force and Military and that they're going to honor/respect that suggests that they're not going to depict him as the violent psychopath but instead the justified vigilante "doing what needs to be done."

It likely won't be full on worship but more like a thankless hero.
 
Yeah, Bernthal's comments have been... worrying.

I really enjoyed that whole Punisher arc in Daredevil but it worked because he was the villain. If the show makes him out to be some sort of hero... yeesh.
 
Vibranium said:
You should read Greg Rucka's Punisher comics run, it properly portrays Frank as the intelligent, driven yet unhinged psychotic person he is. There is an issue where he is hiding out and meets a kid who hangs out with him and has family in the army, so he gives him food. Eventually he finds his Punisher gear, realizes who is he is, and straight-up calls him out by saying "you're no soldier" before walking away in disgust.

It was much better than Nathan Edmondson's run, who glorified the killing more and had a social Punisher who encouraged cops to kill people, which was wrong. Of course, Edmondson is a right-winger so that was going to come through that volume of the series, it was pretty awful how played-straight it was.
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My post probably came off harsher than intended. I am aware of Rucka's and Ennis' runs and I don't condemn anyone for enjoying those but I personally have trouble separating the character in the comics from the symbol he has become.

Jest Chillin said:
I wouldn't hold my breath on that. The way Frank's actor keeps saying that he knows that Frank has a lot of fans in the Police force and Military and that they're going to honor/respect that suggests that they're not going to depict him as the violent psychopath but instead the justified vigilante "doing what needs to be done."

It likely won't be full on worship but more like a thankless hero.
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bleh

I haven't kept up with Punisher news but this would be supremely disappointing.
 
Glass Rebel said:
My post probably came off harsher than intended. I am aware of Rucka's and Ennis' runs and I don't condemn anyone for enjoying those but I personally have trouble separating the character in the comics from the symbol he has become.



bleh

I haven't kept up with Punisher news but this would be supremely disappointing.
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Reasonable post.

Honestly, once I read Born and the Nick Fury mini which is a part of Ennis overall world, it gave more depth to that character and why.

That said, yes, the only way to root for the Punisher is to put him against the mob, slavers, cannibals, crazy corporations, Russia, black ops guys and corrupt generals like Ennis did.

If the TV show is Death Wish without the most despicable folks imagined, it'll be hard to watch.
 
SuperEpicMan said:
Expected, but still disappointing. At this stage I kinda worry the TV side is becoming a bit of a liability. They just don't seem to have any quality control.
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I do worry about Netflix, but Defenders and Punisher seem on track. AoS was the best hero show on TV last year (well, maybe Legion) so it's a show runner thing. Bad ones are super evident at how bad they are. If Cloak & Dagger / Runaways stink then we'll know they have a bigger problem on their hands.
 
BrokenFiction said:
I do worry about Netflix, but Defenders and Punisher seem on track. AoS was the best hero show on TV last year (well, maybe Legion) so it's a show runner thing. Bad ones are super evident at how bad they are. If Cloak & Dagger / Runaways stink then we'll know they have a bigger problem on their hands.
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Yeah I probably should have elaborated, I really love AoS, and most of the Netflix output is great. But I am a little worried by all these shows they are bringing out like Inhumans and the Runaways. They just feel like they are rushing. Plus The Defenders feels a little anticlimactic to me, though it could just be the trailer nothing much for me.

Platy said:
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Lol yeah they need those guys after super villian Scott Buck fucks shit up again.
 
We've been saying that for a while.

It's fine though. Clearly there's something or someone preventing Marvel Studios and Marvel TV from working together. There's no reason to limit either .
 
super off topic but Im not sure if there is a Star Wars thread like this, but isnt Episode 8 next year?

So we have Infinity War and episode 8 in the same year? O_o
 
Pachimari said:
Episode 8 is this December. Han Solo is next year.
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wait...what? Are you serious? A mainline Star Wars movie is coming out in 4 months?

Did we even have any trailers for it? O_o

How the fuck could I be this out of the loop. And I absolutely loved Force Awakens, what the actual fuck?

*heads over to youtube
 
Rhaknar said:
yeah I saw that first teaser, and then nothing else. So theres no actual trailer 4 months before the movie is out? Thats...bizarre to say the least. No wonder I thought it was next year.
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In all fairness, if there is a movie that probably doesn't *need* a trailer it's Episode 8. For comparison, TFA had its second teaser in April 2015 and then nothing until the trailer in October.
 
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