Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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I always thought Peter being a teacher was the best occupation for "Adult" peter
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Marvel Legacy: Spider-Man goes back to basics (spoilers)
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Vampfox
Banned
The art doesn't show it well but Peter hitting her was an accident. Not that that makes what Peter did right.
My point still stands that Mary Jane is a strong female character who has overcome a lot coming from an abusive home.
You should read the Spider-Man Parallel Lives Graphic Novel that shows MJ's back story.
And if you want a good Peter X Mary Jane story that shows why removing the marriage was a mistake you should read Sensational Spider-Man Annual Vol. 2 Issue 1 To Have And To Hold.
Missed that post somehow, but essentially - yeah! Why not!
From what I heard, the idea wasn't carried out too well in the end, but it was the right thought.. Something standalone with a fresh take on the characters.
And it lead to some characters that are still used today like Miles.
LordRaptor
Member
I don't think changing MJs motivations from someone who is into PP for who he actually is but instead as a cape-groupy particularly makes her a better character.
Ultimate universes problem was mostly that it was doing too well and made little sense to have all your best storylines and writers working on effectively What Ifs and not the 'proper' universe.
The Elite
BOSS
Yeah. I thought it was a good place for him. It still doesn't pay great so Peter has to struggle to make ends meet but it's an adult profession and he could still do freelance photos on the side.
The billionaire thing was a nice experiment but I have grown bored of it now.
BoogieWoogie
Banned
Parker Industries was always a terrible idea for this exact reason in that bringing him back to an "everyman" is near impossible now. A CEO of a billion dollar company is now struggling and going back to work as a photographer at a newspaper?
Even not taking into account Spider-Man, Peter Parker has the most interesting life ever now. Remember when he published all his photos into the book, "Webs"?
Even not taking into account Spider-Man, Peter Parker has the most interesting life ever now. Remember when he published all his photos into the book, "Webs"?
LordRaptor
Member
It did have the side effect of sort of undermining his ethos on responsibility to blow off teaching kids who need it because Rhino is robbing a bank or whatever.
Freelance photographer as a 'job' works fine - works the hours he needs to and blowing off an assignment to catch a bad guy gets him paid, and also gives him resources on hearing about criminal happenings going on, or big events coming up that might be a target.
e: I mean, its why a lot of silver age heroes have jobs tangentially related to crime in some manner - so they realistically can have some resources available to them to do their super hero job, but without having to be a billionaire with a super-computer in their hero cave
Vampfox
Banned
I think that you misunderstood what Parallel Lives was trying to say.
Parallel Lives is about about explain that Peter and Mary Jane are more alike than people think. That in a way just like Peter, MJ was also wearing a mask(of a party girl) to hide her secret identity(the real MJ).
Vampfox
Banned
Because for some stupid reason companies like Marvel and DC think that character development is a bad thing.
CrichtonKicks
Member
It's Amazing #30 (based off the renumbering that happened in '99).
Man between the Raimi films, JMS on Amazing, and the beginning of Ultimate Spidey, the early 2000s were a great time to be a Spidey fan.
They are just absolutely terrified of this character evolving aren't they? This is why im glad I only read Ms. Marvel. She's new, so theres no pattern for her to fall back into.
shawnbuddy
Member
That's why it's safe to ignore "Big Time" or "Parker Industries" or any other thing that happens to Spider-Man. It'll just be reset to 0.
DC does it better. Robin became Nightwing and outgrew his mentor and that stuck. Batman is a legit dad with kids of his own alongside married Superman with his own super son. These changes have endured decades at least, even if we all know someone will reset things again at some point.
I even enjoyed a nearly 25 year run of Wally West Flash stories before Barry came back.
Marvel isn't quite so committed. They'll do huge changes - Cap is Hydra, Jane is Thor, Doom is a hero, Storm marries Black Panther - and reset everything in a few years. Nobody talks about Civil War 1 anymore. Nobody mentions Secret Wars. Nobody recalls Secret Invasion. Nothing big leaves any impact.
At least Peter and MJ were happy together in spin-offs like Renew Your Vows, Spider-Girl, and even the newspaper strips.
But so long as those in charge believe that the only stories they can tell are "Peter suffers" storylines, he'll never grow or find lasting happiness.
Vampfox
Banned
The funny thing is with Miles now in the 616 universe Marvel can have their cake and eat it too. There's no reason not to let Peter develop more as a character with Miles around.
Jameson! I need pictures! Pictures of Spider-Man!
do good stories cease to exist when stuff like this happens?
Palette Swap
Member
I've finally caught up on my CMX backlog and that's a very unsurprising development considering PI has been under fire for some time now, nevermind that Ock set it up to take the fall for what happens to NYC in Secret Empire.
Still, it was fun while it lasted and the Symkaria arc exploited pretty much all the possibilities offered by this status quo. Probably my favorite arc of the current book.
I hope they keep Bobbi around as a supporting character, though.
Still, it was fun while it lasted and the Symkaria arc exploited pretty much all the possibilities offered by this status quo. Probably my favorite arc of the current book.
I hope they keep Bobbi around as a supporting character, though.
I like Slotts Spider-man pretty well, but he does have a weird quirk where he writes Peter like a high school or college age person in almost all situations.
I grew up with married Peter and prefer it, because he had a serious side which is kind of missing in post-marriage spidey.
That said, Spider-man has really benefitted from having a consistent write for years and years, unlike characters like Daredevil or Iron Fist, who change completely every time a new creative teams picks up the book.
Edit: Mullet Peter is one true Peter
Edit2: also agree he is going to run the daily bugle. He will also do it in a very incompetent way.
MHWilliams
Member
I mean, Parker Industries was the evolution. Folks cried back to basics, so here we are.
CrichtonKicks
Member
I don't mind character resets if it happens with creator breaks. These multi-year, single creator arcs really provide that rare opportunity to make a run where things actually feel like they impact the status quo even when we know that it will all be washed away in the end. Something that can be packaged down the line in it's own omnibus that manages to stand alone long after we have forgotten the various meaningless event comics that were happening concurrently. I'm talking things like Morrison and Snyder Batman, Remender X-Force, Hickman FF, etc.
With Slott I can see a similar progression of Big Time->Spider Island->Superior->Spider Verse->Parker Industries (I know I'm missing some pieces in there). It feels like a consistent arc with some very significant changes for Peter.. But having Slott stay on while they put all of the toys back in the box and reset the table just feels like a waste. If you are going to reset the table then let someone else have their shot.
With Slott I can see a similar progression of Big Time->Spider Island->Superior->Spider Verse->Parker Industries (I know I'm missing some pieces in there). It feels like a consistent arc with some very significant changes for Peter.. But having Slott stay on while they put all of the toys back in the box and reset the table just feels like a waste. If you are going to reset the table then let someone else have their shot.
Stop sitting here and pretending like Parker Industries wasn't another one of Slott's gimmicks that he'd eventually get bored of and throw it all away.
shawnbuddy
Member
When you're doing a radical change every couple of years to get "hype", then cynically hitting the reset button because you never meant to commit to anything that would move the character away from its most licensable version, then they don't cease to exist but they definitely get thin on the ground. It's basically a slightly extended version of those old stories where Superman would grow a giant brain for one issue or the Flash would turn into a puppet.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying reading stories like that. But every attempt to hype them as something meaningful should be met with the sound of a wet fart.
This is the reason I didn't like the Parker Industries angle, because you knew it would never be a permanent status quo, it just seems dumb to have a multi-billionaire who then goes back to later being a photographer. It's just illogical and hard to believe.
IMO, if Slott really wanted to do Parker Industries, he should have done it prior to Secret Wars and then just have it sort of vaguely washed away when the world was rebuilt. Sort of like the whole Evil Iron Man angle.
I liked Big Time and Superior, but I think of Slott as a Moffat analog. I actually like the new status quo conceptually, but I wasn't a fan of the writing.
His comic arcs have just gotten messier and messier, even if they're working meticulously with comic history.
I enjoyed the Back in Black era, Grim Hunt, and Gauntlet more. But I was younger then, I guess, so I'm probably wrong in those being better.
His comic arcs have just gotten messier and messier, even if they're working meticulously with comic history.
I enjoyed the Back in Black era, Grim Hunt, and Gauntlet more. But I was younger then, I guess, so I'm probably wrong in those being better.
Palette Swap
Member
Or, you know, see how it plays out.
At least, PI's fall isn't illogical or hard to believe, they've been setting it up since the Clone Conspiracy.
CrichtonKicks
Member
Damn, nothing makes you feel old like finding someone who views later-BND era stuff as tinged with nostalgia. Feels like yesterday to me and I was shocked to find out that stuff is almost a decade old.
It's not like Marvel is above doing illogical things with Spider-man. Peter Parker made a deal with the devil, and then they paired up Miles (who's roughly 15) dating someone who appears to be roughly 22 or so (Spider Gwen, since she lives in her own apartment with friends and shit).
Edit: reading spider Gwen right now and I guess she's actually 19, so not quite as weird.
exmachina64
Banned
Because Joe Quesada is in charge at Marvel.